Re: [Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I have the same problems to understand the proper tagging of landuse,  
natural, leisure
it's entirely confusing when you dig deeper

rendering doesn't make it better
a national park is a boundary. there is no feature on ground.
- first it should be rendered as a boundary.
- second it's common to render it in other maps as a green background  
where all other features are on top.
but landuse, natural are rendered in
  random order and tagging a forest, meadow,...  inside the park is  
impossible with the current tags. some will be visible some won't
I know we don't tag for the renderer but there should be something in  
place similar to existing maps.





On 12 May 2009, at 4:54 , Greg Troxel wrote:

>
> Apollinaris Schoell  writes:
>
>> many parks are tagged with
>> leisure park
>> Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is
>> something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY
>> natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks.
>> some places in national parks are as crowded as a city park but  
>> that's
>> another story
>
> I think leisure=nature_reserve is probably better, but I have not  
> gotten
> my head around the whole
>
>  landuse
>  natural
>  leisure
>
> combination.  It seems there are two orthogonal issues, and this blurs
> them.  One is what is on the ground.  This is what the USGS put on  
> topos
> - green or white, depending on whether it was wooded or open.  The  
> other
> is purpose/access/etc.  I think these two things are almost completely
> orthogonal.
>
> Within purpose/use, I see some landuse type things
>
>  business, commercial, residential
>
>  farming
>  forestry land, where the prime use really is harvesting trees
>
>  open public land where people can go, without deeded conservation
>  restrictions
>
>  conservation land where people can go
>  conservation land where people can go but there is occasional  
> treecutting
>  conservation land where people can't go ("refuge", more or less)
>
>  hunting area ("wildlife management area" in mass)
>
> Currently it seems natural=, landuse= and sort of leisure= attempt  
> to be
> jointly exhaustive and sort of mutually exclusive but not really.
>
> Is it just me, or is this muddled?


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Re: [Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-12 Thread Greg Troxel

Apollinaris Schoell  writes:

> many parks are tagged with
> leisure park
> Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is  
> something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY
> natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks.  
> some places in national parks are as crowded as a city park but that's  
> another story

I think leisure=nature_reserve is probably better, but I have not gotten
my head around the whole

  landuse
  natural
  leisure

combination.  It seems there are two orthogonal issues, and this blurs
them.  One is what is on the ground.  This is what the USGS put on topos
- green or white, depending on whether it was wooded or open.  The other
is purpose/access/etc.  I think these two things are almost completely
orthogonal.

Within purpose/use, I see some landuse type things

  business, commercial, residential

  farming
  forestry land, where the prime use really is harvesting trees

  open public land where people can go, without deeded conservation
  restrictions

  conservation land where people can go
  conservation land where people can go but there is occasional treecutting
  conservation land where people can't go ("refuge", more or less)

  hunting area ("wildlife management area" in mass)

Currently it seems natural=, landuse= and sort of leisure= attempt to be
jointly exhaustive and sort of mutually exclusive but not really.

Is it just me, or is this muddled?


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[Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
many parks are tagged with
leisure park
Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is  
something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY
natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks.  
some places in national parks are as crowded as a city park but that's  
another story


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