Re[2]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Andre, Saturday, June 12, 2004, 11:13:44 AM, you wrote: AW Hello Graham, AW On 11 Jun 2004 at 18:40:11 +0200 GMT [18:40 CEST] you wrote: GD I was running 0.4g which at least appeared to be working, I just upgraded GD to 0.5.3 and within 2 hours all my mails ended up in the Junk folder. AW When upgrading from 0.4 to 0.5 you need to delete the dictionaries and AW retrain from zero. Then v0.5 works quite fine. I get 99.7% accuracy AW here. Ok, I've deleted the dictionaries, but I still don't get the train option that used to be available in 0.4x. Can you explain how I start training BayesIt -- thank you, Grahammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Graham, On 15 Jun 2004 at 09:04:30 +0200 GMT [09:04 CEST] you wrote: GD Ok, I've deleted the dictionaries, but I still don't get the train option GD that used to be available in 0.4x. GD Can you explain how I start training BayesIt The only remaining way is to use Specials- Mark as Junk/ Mark as not Junk. Mark some mails and then use these menu entries to train bayesit. -- Cheers, Andre Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family. Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, On Friday, June 11, 2004 at 9:06:21 AM, Alexandre Vialle wrote: Ok I have no luck at all... All the files exists but are empty: 0 kB. I am so depressed about that adventure... Thank you for this work around anyway... Where were the emails stored ? What does the log say ? fr Où étaient stockées les emails dans la précédente version ? Que disent les fichiers logs ? Sinon, tu as une liste francophone ici : http://draenor.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tb-fr /fr -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Graham, On 11 Jun 2004 at 18:40:11 +0200 GMT [18:40 CEST] you wrote: GD I was running 0.4g which at least appeared to be working, I just upgraded GD to 0.5.3 and within 2 hours all my mails ended up in the Junk folder. When upgrading from 0.4 to 0.5 you need to delete the dictionaries and retrain from zero. Then v0.5 works quite fine. I get 99.7% accuracy here. -- Cheers, Andre Die Toleranz ist nicht grenzenlos. Sie findet ihre Grenze, vielleicht ihre einzige Grenze, in der etwaigen Intoleranz des anderen. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Alexandre, On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, at 22:45:45 [GMT +0200] (which was 22:45 where I live) you wrote about: 'Messages getting lost!!!' What the hell is wrong? When the hell are todays and yesterdays mails? I have seen the same problem with Bayesit. It gets installed automaticalky wuith one of the 2.x versions, but apparently the version included does not work properly. Thanks for help!!! I want my lost mails back... You may be lucky: I found my emails in th temp folder with a Bat*.tmp filename. You can import these in your inbox with Tools, Import, From *.MSG files. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.11.03 on Windows XP.5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok I have no luck at all... All the files exists but are empty: 0 kB. I am so depressed about that adventure... Thank you for this work around anyway... Bayesit is really shitty. I mean it's not because a product is exciting that it must be included... Poor interface, no documentation, and not working... I'm a developer and I would never distribute such a product without having done minimum tests... especially when the product has a chance to behave in such a devastating way. And of course even if you have paid RITLABS for a licence, the licence says: RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated from the program software and, with respect thereto, RITLABS shall not be responsible for losses, damages, costs, or expenses of any kind resulting from using or misusing the program including without limitation, any liability for business expenses, machine downtime, damages experienced by you or any third person as a result of any deficiency, defect, bug, error or malfunction. CLEARLY RITLABS MAKES FUN OF ME. GOOD BOY YOU HAVE PAID THE LICENCE! AND WE DON'T CARE IF OUR PRODUCT WORKS OR NOT. I REALLY LOVE TO PAY FOR SUCH A THING!!! NEXT TIME REALLY I'LL THINK BEFORE PAYING A LICENCE FOR A SOFTWARE... I FEEL SO STUPID. Version 1 was working so well I thought version 2 would be better. Now I wonder what will happen to me next... -- Alexandre Vialle Le vendredi 11 juin 2004 à 08:06 vous avez écrit: RvdH Hi Alexandre, RvdH On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, at 22:45:45 [GMT +0200] (which was 22:45 where I live) RvdH you wrote about: 'Messages getting lost!!!' What the hell is wrong? When the hell are todays and yesterdays mails? RvdH I have seen the same problem with Bayesit. It gets installed automaticalky RvdH wuith one of the 2.x versions, but apparently the version included does not RvdH work properly. Thanks for help!!! I want my lost mails back... RvdH You may be lucky: I found my emails in th temp folder with a Bat*.tmp RvdH filename. RvdH You can import these in your inbox with Tools, Import, From *.MSG files. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Alexandre, At 3:06 AM on Friday, June 11, 2004 you AV wrote the following Messages getting lost!!!: AV [...] CLEARLY RITLABS MAKES FUN OF ME. GOOD BOY YOU HAVE PAID AV THE LICENCE! AND WE DON'T CARE IF OUR PRODUCT WORKS OR NOT. AV [\...] ...or, possibly, if their users know how to use it correctly. AV [...] I thought version 2 would be better. Now I wonder what AV will happen to me next... [\...] IMO, v2 is, indeed, an improvement even though I've made some silly mistakes as well. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11.03/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonjour Marck, Le vendredi 11 juin 2004 à 11:54:55, vous écriviez : MDP Dear Alexandre, MDP @11-Jun-2004, 09:06 +0200 (11-Jun 08:06 UK time) Alexandre Vialle MDP [AV] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Robert: AV well I thought version 2 would be better. Now I wonder what will AV happen to me next... MDP this: MDP moderator MDP Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not MDP just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have MDP instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Alexandre. Why should I? MDP This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Oh, this sounds really bad. I didn't feel like I was violating this list's rules. In fact I was much more preoccupied by my problem, rather than any rules rape. But please accept all my excuses. MDP Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your MDP message and following it with all quoted text below, is not MDP encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list MDP because MDP a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the MDPtop of the message Oh it's true, using the scroll bar on the right side of a window is such a hard thing to do. I can understand really. For my part, I bought the Microsoft IntelliMouse with a special button rolling on the middle that helps you for this particular purpose. It works really great. I think this is a great thing to have to read anything, web, pdf, mails, source codes, etc. And most of my active colleagues agree with that. MDP and MDP b) It encourages excessive quoting. Oh I see. For my part I was not too good at school with summaries, this probably explains your remark. Also, I have no difficulty to type on a keyboard. It can be endless, even to say nothing. But I'll make a special effort for you. MDP We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to MDP which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, MDP and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're MDP responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each MDP part separately and follow each part with your response. Just like I do now then. MDP Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that MDP you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much MDP respect this. Wow, thank you, I was not seeking respect, but at least I have that. As you can see now I sort of respect your preferences too now, most of them, so we are all very happy now. MDP However, this is the format that most of the active members here MDP prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use MDP the format that will make most of the active membership here MDP comfortable reading. I completely understand. But how active are they since they don't want to type, and don't want to scroll? For my part I much more compare activity with movement. No, I'm not only talking about the movement of the eyes! Fingers can move a bit too on the keyboard and at least one arm and one finger can move on the mouse. But the most important is the brain activity, this means the most active members are not in a deep coma or dead. :)) And for a comfortable reading, I recommend, silence, a pillow behind the neck, a bucket to urinate and a perfusion of water and glucose. :)) MDP You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a MDP style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Oh since I already have the answer to my question: The Bat is not the reliable product I thought it was, I wont annoy anyone here anymore I swear. I'll just uninstall The Bat, unsubscribe to this list, and let the most active members between them. Oh and I forgot to thank you very much for your respect, it goes right to my heart. MDP To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of MDP private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you MDP subscribed. No thank you I don't care really. MDP :'='':'' Oh this little sign is pretty. Is it something the most active members enjoy too? MDP Thank you. I did nothing really. But thank you for the respect again :D MDP /moderator' Do I have to sign like this too? Well maybe the most active members do, so I'd better do it not to hurt them :)) /terminator IV Cordialement, -- Alexandre Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!)
Dear Alexandre, @11-Jun-2004, 15:30 +0200 (11-Jun 14:30 UK time) Alexandre Vialle [AV] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: AV well I thought version 2 would be better. Now I wonder what AV will happen to me next... MDP this: MDP moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to MDP all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even MDP if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't MDP feel singled out Alexandre. AV Why should I? I don't know why you should, but you clearly did! :-/. Oh well. MDP This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. AV Oh, this sounds really bad. I didn't feel like I was violating AV this list's rules. In fact I was much more preoccupied by my AV problem, rather than any rules rape. But please accept all my AV excuses. That's very kind of you. Thank you. ... snip -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.03 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgph3Tx0fAlng.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexandre, At 9:30 AM on Friday, June 11, 2004 you AV wrote the following Messages getting lost!!!: AV [...] Cordialement, [/...] If you are interested in being cordial, etc. why not post your sarcastic, unpleasant emails somewhere else. If you don't. I have the feeling the moderators will assist you. Don't know what you are used to but this list is very supportive, helpful courteous. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11.03/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonjour Jan, Le vendredi 11 juin 2004 à 15:47:13, vous écriviez : JR Alexandre, JR At 9:30 AM on Friday, June 11, 2004 you AV wrote the following JR Messages getting lost!!!: AV [...] Cordialement, [/...] JR If you are interested in being cordial, etc. why not post your JR sarcastic, unpleasant emails somewhere else. If you don't. I JR have the feeling the moderators will assist you. Don't know what JR you are used to but this list is very supportive, helpful JR courteous. Jan, you must probably feel like one of the active members. I'm sorry if I have hurt you. I have definitely lost 2 days of mails with the bat and I think I still have a great sense of humor... But the moderator here seem to care much more about the appearance of my mail rather than my problem itself. But this doesn't mean I can't make fun of the situation... HUMOR! SMILES! :D But as I said, don't worry all, I wont annoy anyone here anymore. Really. I'll unsubscribe myself. I have no need of the bat. Really. So there was no need to answer that mail. Cordialement, -- Alexandre Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Alexandre, On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:30:32 +0200 GMT (11/06/2004, 20:30 +0700 GMT), Alexandre Vialle wrote: AV Oh since I already have the answer to my question: The Bat is not the AV reliable product I thought it was, The Bat is. The BayesIt plugin probably not. Don't use it, I don't either, and I have no problems. I understand that you are upset about losing two days' mails. Maybe you can find them in the spam folder, I don't know BayesIt. I hope you can recover them. The Bat is a reliable program, just as you thought. I don't know why they include the BayesIt plugin in the distro, though. Sorry too hear about your loss. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Stichproben ergaben: Kondome sind oft unsicher. * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Thomas, Friday, June 11, 2004, 5:38:43 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Alexandre, TF On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:30:32 +0200 GMT (11/06/2004, 20:30 +0700 GMT), TF Alexandre Vialle wrote: AV Oh since I already have the answer to my question: The Bat is not the AV reliable product I thought it was, TF The Bat is. The BayesIt plugin probably not. Don't use it, I don't TF either, and I have no problems. I would second this don't use BayesIt !! I was running 0.4g which at least appeared to be working, I just upgraded to 0.5.3 and within 2 hours all my mails ended up in the Junk folder. It is now disabled and I'll rely on Spam Assassin -- Best regards, Grahammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonjour Alexandre, At 11:04 AM on Friday, June 11, 2004 you AV wrote the following Messages getting lost!!!: AV Jan, you must probably feel like one of the active members. I'm sorry AV if I have hurt you. Not at all but I do appreciate your apology. And I am/was sorry to hear about the inconvenience of losing your emails. But like I said, I think you would find this a very supportive group that functions well within the rules set by the moderatos who own the list. We all try to respect their few rules. As for your specific problem, I'm assuming that all your tbb tbi files were corrupted or something along those lines. All I can say on that subject is that, with all the bugs that TB! has presented over the years of my use, I have never had that happen to me. However, having said that, I'm still looking around for my address book from my last install I have yet to understand why I can't import certain common folders back into TB!. I guess the big difference is I know where the data is while you may not. That *is* frustrating. Good luck. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11.03/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello, I have paid to get that new version 2.0 of the bat and since then I keep having problems... many little bugs which annoy me. So yesterday I have decided to update to version 2.11.02. But today I have discovered that all my new mails just disappear when I get them. It seem that it downloads the new mails, but then I can't find them anywhere!!! Is it totally lost? I was waiting for very important mails today... I'm really angry. I have made many tests from different accounts to make sure the servers are working well and all may tests have been downloaded but lost by the bat. I check the same with outlook express, and things work perfectly. Later I have disabled that plugin named BayesIt! but nothing happened. I have closed and reopened the bat with no BayesIt pluging and then things seem to work again... What the hell is wrong? When the hell are todays and yesterdays mails? Thanks for help!!! I want my lost mails back... I don't know what that BayesIt is I have never configured it, and be sure I have tried to find my mails in every folder I have even those for junk mails. NOTHING!!! Please help. -- Alexandre Vialle Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Alexandre, Thursday, June 10, 2004, 2:45:45 PM, you wrote: Alexandre I don't know what that BayesIt is I have never configured Alexandre it, and be sure I have tried to find my mails in every Alexandre folder I have even those for junk mails. NOTHING!!! First, look at the status bar at the bottom of TB. It'll tell you where it moved all the messages to. Once you've figured that one out, I'd start looking at filters to make sure you don't have an errant filter moving / deleting your messages. Thirdly, I'd look and see if you have a selective download filter somewhere. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: He who hesitates too long must change his underwear. Using The Bat! 2.11.03 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
