Re: reading cofirmation + reply
On Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 9:32:40 AM, Dieter wrote: But there's still some weird behavior. Imagine following scenario: I receive e.g. a bug report. This mail is moved to the /bugs/ folder and a autoreply is sent to the sender. This autoreply is also /copied/ to the /bugs-pending/ folder until I'm able to reply. The message which sits in /bugs-pending/ has no reply-mark, I don't get this. The message in the /bugs-pending/ folder is the autoreply (i.e., the reply not the replied message), right? Why should it have the reply mark? but hitting Ctrl-BS leads me to the original message in /bugs/ - which is not wrong at all. ??? Ctrl-BS lets you find the reply for a message, not the original for a reply. Sorry, I can't make any sense out of what you're describing here. Maybe somebody else should take over. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
Hi Tobias, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:08:10 +0200GMT (26/09/2000, 05:08 +0800GMT), Tobias Wrede wrote: Ah-so, that make sense, don't you think? TW In one way it does, but since all three methods of confirmation are TW invoked by TB! itself and not from the user _I_ don't see why they TW should be treated differently. I think they should be treated differently, becuase two methods are automated replies, whereeas the third invokes the editor and has thus likely been manually edited. It has been replied to, by human intervention. TW Moreover it should be no problem to omit the replied flagging when TW using the "edit" method. I do not see the difference between TW opening and editing the confirmation message and then putting it TW into outbox (edit) or putting it into outbox , then opening and TW editing it and finally putting it back into outbox (Put in TW outbox). I don't see a difference either. Whenever you edit the reply, the original message has been "replied" to. IMHO The only time there should be no reply mark is when the auto-reply goes without user intervention. He might not have seen the message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:08:10 PM, Tobias wrote: Ah-so, that make sense, don't you think? In one way it does, but since all three methods of confirmation are invoked by TB! itself and not from the user _I_ don't see why they should be treated differently. I meant to say they should because in the case where you edit the reply, it's a "true" reply. OTOH, reading confirmation isn't a "true" reply. Wait a minute, something just came to my mind. I vaguely remember there was some discussion about messages replied automatically via a filter not marked as replied. I didn't really follow that thread, for I didn't (don't) use any auto-reply. But if that's the case, then not just reading confirmation is treated as such, anything TB generates for you without your editing isn't treated as a "reply". (Maybe someone more familiar with that discussion could clear this up a bit.) Moreover it should be no problem to omit the replied flagging when using the "edit" method. Perhaps not. If what I said above is right, however, TB is simply following the logic that any "reply" (reading confirmation included) done with human intervention is a "true" reply, and would mark the original message as replied, which sounds pretty reasonable to me. I do not see the difference between opening and editing the confirmation message and then putting it into outbox (edit) or putting it into outbox , then opening and editing it and finally putting it back into outbox (Put in outbox). The difference lies in how the program works. When a message is put in the Outbox, its relation with the original message is severed. Try the following: 1. Reply to a message, and save it in the Outbox as draft. Then manual cancel the "replied" flag of the original message (Right click | Flags | Replied). Now go to the Outbox, open the saved draft, do some editing, and save it again. Go back to the original message. Is it marked as replied again? No. 2. Reply to a message, and in the editing window, enable the "Original text" (from the view menu) if it's not there already. Now save it as draft, and open it again in the Outbox. You should find the "Original text" pane gone and the option in the View menu grayed out. Is it possible for TB to maintain the relationship between a reply and its original? Of course. TB may record the information (the original's folder and message id, perhaps) in the Outbox (either the message file or its index file) before sending it out. But then the file format of the Outbox would be different from other folders, and I'm not sure it's desirable. It's relatively simple (programming-wise) for TB to do what it does now. I.e., a message is marked as replied whenever a reply (reading confirmation) is *manually* saved, queued in the Outbox, or sent (immediately). It seems pretty logical to me, as said, but I don't used such features often enough to have a strong opinion. Nor am I a good enough programmer (even with lowered standard for an amateur) to know how difficult it really is to make subtler distinctions. This is not to say you shouldn't get what you want. You may want to file a formal suggestion to RIT and they might add extra options (or filter options/actions) for you. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
reading cofirmation + reply
Hello list, this morning I was desperetly looking for a reply I was sure I had sent out a week ago. The little arrow on the envelope icon in the message list reassured me that I indeed did so. But finally I realised that the arrow is only there, because I had sent a reading confirmation and I never replied at all. (Im lucky the other guy didnt complain yet :-).) I would wish that a reading confirmation would not attach the arrow but only a real reply. There is no way to change taht behaviour, is there? so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool who follows him? (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 5:04:29 AM, Tobias wrote: this morning I was desperetly looking for a reply I was sure I had sent out a week ago. The little arrow on the envelope icon in the message list reassured me that I indeed did so. But finally I realised that the arrow is only there, because I had sent a reading confirmation and I never replied at all. Are you sure? Here TB doesn't mark a message as "replied" when only a reading confirmation is sent. I guess you have the auto-save function on, don't you? When the auto-save function is on, and you start replying to a message, that (received) message is marked as "replied" (with little green arrow) as soon as TB auto-saves your reply for the first time. Even if you eventually give up and cancel the reply, and delete the saved part from the Outbox, the original message is still marked as replied. There is one way to test this. Find a message that you did reply. Select it, and press Ctrl-Backspace. If the reply is saved in the Sent folder (or one of its sub-folders), then TB should call up the reply for you. Try this on a message to which only a reading confirmation was sent, and it won't work. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 25 September 2000 at 06:35:32 GMT -0700 (which was 14:35 where I live) Ming-Li wrote and made these points on the subject of "reading cofirmation + reply": ML ... press Ctrl-Backspace. If the reply is saved in the Sent folder ML (or one of its sub-folders), then TB should call up the reply for ML you. FYI: TB will search *all* folders for the reply, not just sent and its' minions ;-). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Air Pollution is a mist-demeanor TB! v1.46d S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOc9ikTnkJKuSnc2gEQLBaQCg2sEo90dcE1MrOZ3JRq8Nhmxv628AoNv4 RfrzFo+X50CAM6d2SJEHaitP =JnY/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 10:03:31 AM, Tobias wrote: I used "edit" and that way I got a message editor window where I used to change some minor text depending on whom the confirmation was sent to. If one sends this confirmation message the original message is marked as replied. Ah-so, that make sense, don't you think? Anyway I would prefer TB! not to mark the message as replied even when using the "edit" option. No, I can see no way to tell TB not to do so. You may, however, set up a Replied Message filter that would mark messages "replied" by such method to a color group, so you may distinguish them with those you "truly" replied. Not exactly an elegant workaround, I know. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: reading cofirmation + reply
Hello Ming-Li, On Montag, 25. September 2000 at 20:25:34 you wrote: Ah-so, that make sense, don't you think? In one way it does, but since all three methods of confirmation are invoked by TB! itself and not from the user _I_ don't see why they should be treated differently. Moreover it should be no problem to omit the replied flagging when using the "edit" method. I do not see the difference between opening and editing the confirmation message and then putting it into outbox (edit) or putting it into outbox , then opening and editing it and finally putting it back into outbox (Put in outbox). The former method is the faster one, though, but right now the latter method is the better implemented one. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Anything that happens, happens. - Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. - Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. - It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though. (from Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
