update to fc17/ rawhide

2011-09-04 Thread Rob Healey
All:

Be aware of this grub2-1.99-1.fc17 package as it hosed my MBR, and I only
got to a black screen basically telling me that I was going no where...

Has anyone else had the same problem?

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Re: update to fc17/ rawhide

2011-09-04 Thread Rohan Ferris
Hi Rob,

This problem is known about and has caused headaches for a few people.
Fortunately the bug has been raised:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735259

Some folks over at fedora forum are also chatting about it:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=269190

Here's to a speedy recovery :)

Rohan

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All: 

Be aware of this grub2-1.99-1.fc17 package as it hosed my MBR, and I only got 
to a black screen basically telling me that I was going no where... 

Has anyone else had the same problem? 

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Re: rawhide report: 20110903 changes

2011-09-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:31:21 +0200
Thomas Spura toms...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Some i686 updates make it to the broken deps for x86_64, others
 don't...
 
 Why that?

This is multilib. Basically packages that have a -devel subpackage have
that devel subpackage and it's requirements (if available) shipped in
the 64bit tree. The theory is that this allows people to develop and
run 32bit applications if they need on 64bit machines. The 32bit
packages in the 64bit repo that don't show up in the report, don't have
broken deps. ;) 

You can see the exact logic used in the 'mash' project: 

http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=mash;a=blob;f=mash/multilib.py;h=9ae98f0adef296451e0ceffa7589b985d20725af;hb=980e4863b241bcb4bd18e1a82f6256aa1d28b65a

If you are wanting to fix issues as a maintainer,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/MultilibTricks
may provide some ideas. 

kevin


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Re: no recent F16 pushes

2011-09-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:29:58 + (UTC)
Andre Robatino wrote:

 Any reason for the lack of recent F16 pushes?

I also note that I still have to use --skip-broken
due to a load of stuff involving gnome control
panel and evolution-data-server and wot-not. Seems
like those problems have been there forever as well.
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no recent F16 pushes

2011-09-04 Thread Andre Robatino
Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com writes:

 I also note that I still have to use --skip-broken
 due to a load of stuff involving gnome control
 panel and evolution-data-server and wot-not. Seems
 like those problems have been there forever as well.

kiilerix on #fedora-qa pointed out that you can work around some of the broken
dependencies by disabling the updates-testing repo. By doing this I was able to
install some updates from the fedora repo, then doing a regular update managed
to pull in a few more from updates-testing. So now for me yum check-update
just lists

empathy.x86_64  3.1.90.1-1.fc16  updates-testing
evolution.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
evolution-NetworkManager.x86_64 3.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
evolution-data-server.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
evolution-help.noarch   3.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
gnome-keyring.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
gnome-keyring-pam.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing
gnome-shell.x86_64  3.1.90.1-1.fc16  updates-testing
seahorse.x86_64 3.1.90-1.fc16updates-testing




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Re: security update process failure

2011-09-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 23:01 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote:
 Hi !
 
 
 I'd call it a failure when a security update for a critical path package gets 
 stuck in 
 -updates-testing for 6 weeks. I'm talking about the F14 libcap update, where 
 only one 
 proventester cared to test the updated package and commented on it.
 Sure, it is only a minor security issue, but shouldn't security updates have 
 priority in 
 testing over any pet packages you have ?
 Security updates certainly take preference for me as I'm trying to get them 
 submitted as 
 early as possible. But when a package sits in -testing for such a long time I 
 need to ask 
 myself why I should bother with doing timely security updates at all.

The problem is really that not enough people test old releases. Barely
any proventesters are on F14. If you look it's hardly just your update
that's waiting on karma, there are quite a few waiting for F14.

I've had 'do f14 karma' on my todo list for about a week and a half, but
f16 keeps eating the time.

I've mentioned this several times and floated a few ideas to fix it (as
have others), but they haven't really gone anywhere. I haven't seen any
indication that FESCo (which defined the update requirements - it's not
a QA thing) considers it a big problem.
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Re: security update process failure

2011-09-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 23:01 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote:
 Hi !


 I'd call it a failure when a security update for a critical path package 
 gets stuck in
 -updates-testing for 6 weeks. I'm talking about the F14 libcap update, where 
 only one
 proventester cared to test the updated package and commented on it.
 Sure, it is only a minor security issue, but shouldn't security updates have 
 priority in
 testing over any pet packages you have ?
 Security updates certainly take preference for me as I'm trying to get them 
 submitted as
 early as possible. But when a package sits in -testing for such a long time 
 I need to ask
 myself why I should bother with doing timely security updates at all.

 The problem is really that not enough people test old releases. Barely
 any proventesters are on F14. If you look it's hardly just your update
 that's waiting on karma, there are quite a few waiting for F14.

 I've had 'do f14 karma' on my todo list for about a week and a half, but
 f16 keeps eating the time.

 I've mentioned this several times and floated a few ideas to fix it (as
 have others), but they haven't really gone anywhere. I haven't seen any
 indication that FESCo (which defined the update requirements - it's not
 a QA thing) considers it a big problem.

One thing I have noticed is that once an update hits the 2 week old
update period they seem to drop off the updates email that goes out
and lists the updates that still need testing, is there a reason for
that?

Peter
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Re: F16: suddenly sounb preview in nautilus no more possible

2011-09-04 Thread Ruch G
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Bruce Cowan br...@bcowan.me.uk wrote:

 On 4 September 2011 06:50, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  since about 2 days the nautilus sound preview fails: traversing sound
 files
  with the mouse pointer will highlight the icons, but will not play them.
 
  Anybody has this problem too?

 That has been removed in favour of Sushi. You need to install the
 sushi package, and then you can preview files by pressing the space
 bar after selecting them in Nautilus.

 Sushi can preview pretty much every type of file as well (including
 videos).
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Does sushi have a .deb file so I can install it in ubuntu?

 I tri-boot my computer
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Re: F16: suddenly sounb preview in nautilus no more possible

2011-09-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/05/2011 08:06 AM, Ruch G wrote:
 Does sushi have a .deb file so I can install it in ubuntu?

  I tri-boot my computer


Try asking in the Ubuntu mailing list.   This is off topic here.  Also
quote only as much as necessary

Rahul
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Re: security update process failure

2011-09-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/05/2011 02:31 AM, Karsten Hopp wrote:
 Hi !


 I'd call it a failure when a security update for a critical path package gets 
 stuck in 
 -updates-testing for 6 weeks. I'm talking about the F14 libcap update, where 
 only one 
 proventester cared to test the updated package and commented on it.

You should file this issue with FESCo and ask for a amended policy

Rahul
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Re: security update process failure

2011-09-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 05:34:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 23:01 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote:
  Hi !
  
  
  I'd call it a failure when a security update for a critical path package 
  gets stuck in 
  -updates-testing for 6 weeks. I'm talking about the F14 libcap update, 
  where only one 
  proventester cared to test the updated package and commented on it.
  Sure, it is only a minor security issue, but shouldn't security updates 
  have priority in 
  testing over any pet packages you have ?
  Security updates certainly take preference for me as I'm trying to get them 
  submitted as 
  early as possible. But when a package sits in -testing for such a long time 
  I need to ask 
  myself why I should bother with doing timely security updates at all.
 
 The problem is really that not enough people test old releases. Barely
 any proventesters are on F14. If you look it's hardly just your update
 that's waiting on karma, there are quite a few waiting for F14.
 
 I've had 'do f14 karma' on my todo list for about a week and a half, but
 f16 keeps eating the time.
 
 I've mentioned this several times and floated a few ideas to fix it (as
 have others), but they haven't really gone anywhere. I haven't seen any
 indication that FESCo (which defined the update requirements - it's not
 a QA thing) considers it a big problem.

I need guidance.  I've installed the F14 libcap from updates-testing.
I have no idea if it works or how to test it--it doesn't appear to
break anything as far as normal operation of my system.  Is that
good enough to give +1 karma to the package?  If not, it would be
helpful for the maintainer would put instructions in the update text
saying how to test the update.

So, I guess what I'm asking is, is it ok to give +1 to any/all
packages if they work at all/we don't notice any regressions, or do we
have to actually test what they are supposed to fix?

Thanks.
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Re: no recent F16 pushes

2011-09-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 10:57:12PM +, Andre Robatino wrote:
 Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com writes:
 
  I also note that I still have to use --skip-broken
  due to a load of stuff involving gnome control
  panel and evolution-data-server and wot-not. Seems
  like those problems have been there forever as well.
 
 kiilerix on #fedora-qa pointed out that you can work around some of the broken
 dependencies by disabling the updates-testing repo. By doing this I was able 
 to
 install some updates from the fedora repo, then doing a regular update managed
 to pull in a few more from updates-testing. So now for me yum check-update
 just lists
 
 empathy.x86_64  3.1.90.1-1.fc16  
 updates-testing
 evolution.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 evolution-NetworkManager.x86_64 3.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 evolution-data-server.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 evolution-help.noarch   3.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 gnome-keyring.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 gnome-keyring-pam.x86_643.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing
 gnome-shell.x86_64  3.1.90.1-1.fc16  
 updates-testing
 seahorse.x86_64 3.1.90-1.fc16
 updates-testing

I just grabbed the few missing packages directly from koji:

folks-0.6.1-2.fc16.x86_64.rpm
gnome-panel-3.1.5-5.fc16.x86_64.rpm
gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-5.fc16.x86_64.rpm
nautilus-sendto-3.0.0-11.fc16.x86_64.rpm

and did:

yum update folks-0.6.1-2.fc16.x86_64.rpm gnome-panel-3.1.5-5.fc16.x86_64.rpm 
gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-5.fc16.x86_64.rpm 
nautilus-sendto-3.0.0-11.fc16.x86_64.rpm \*

These last few packages will hopfully appear on mirrors soon.
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Re: security update process failure

2011-09-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/05/2011 08:44 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
 So, I guess what I'm asking is, is it ok to give +1 to any/all
 packages if they work at all/we don't notice any regressions, or do we
 have to actually test what they are supposed to fix? Thanks. 

It is ok to +1 if you don't notice any regressions.  It would be very
helpful to explicitly mention what you tested however.

Rahul
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[Fedora QA] #238: proventester request - jstanley

2011-09-04 Thread Fedora QA
#238: proventester request - jstanley
-+--
 Reporter:  jstanley |   Owner: 
 Type:  proventester request |  Status:  new
 Priority:  major|   Milestone: 
Component:  Proventester Mentor Request  | Version: 
 Keywords:   |  
-+--
 = phenomenon =

 I'm not a proventester.

 = reason =

 I've been lazy and busy with Real Life(TM)

 = recommendation =

 Approve my membership :) (yes, I know how to use the testing repo, how to
 use Bodhi, etc)

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