Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
On 01/09/13 09:46, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:32:50 -0600
> Kevin Martin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Just a thought do you have the menu with advanced sub-menu
> Maybe you can only edit those in the sub-menu?
> If that's what you have.
> 
> 
So setting GRUB_TERMINAL="console" and rebuilding my grub2.cfg does the trick.  
I now get the old style grub menu and can edit the
entries, either directly or via the "Advanced" sub menu.  Seems like another 
example of people "fixing" a non-existent problem.  The
grub menu doesn't need to be fancy, just operational.  Adding complexity to it 
in the name of trying to make it look good is begging
for problems.

Thanks Tom and Frank for your help.

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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:32:50 -0600
Kevin Martin  wrote:



Just a thought do you have the menu with advanced sub-menu
Maybe you can only edit those in the sub-menu?
If that's what you have.


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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
On 01/09/13 09:26, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:11:18 -0600
> Kevin Martin  wrote:
> 
>> Been running rawhide for well over a year.  The boot editing issue
>> has occurred essentially since the anaconda changes.  I did a
>> reinstall of my system with the F18 beta DVD about 4 months ago;
>> that's when I started noticing the problem.  I've since then been
>> updating my system from the rawhide repos.
>>
>> Kevin
> 
> You don't need anaconda for an installed system.
> Am running Rawhide here with no boot problems.
> Though I have removed all the "advanced sub-menu"
> as it wasn't necessary in my particular boxes.
> 
> Can you boot from an earlier kernel?
> do your logs give any hint of a problem.
> 

I understand that anaconda is not needed for a running system.  And I'm not 
having a problem booting into any of my kernels; I found
the problem when I went to add some debug information "on the fly" to the linux 
line in the kernel I was booting and found that
after hitting 'e' to edit it showed nothing to edit, 'c' for commandline seemed 
to do nothing, the option for booting did nothing,
and I couldn't get back to the grub menu.  I had to hard reset to get back to 
where I could see the grub menu. Tom Horsley mentioned
the gfx stuff in grub. I'm going to look at that and see what happens if I 
disable it.

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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:11:18 -0600
Kevin Martin  wrote:

> Been running rawhide for well over a year.  The boot editing issue
> has occurred essentially since the anaconda changes.  I did a
> reinstall of my system with the F18 beta DVD about 4 months ago;
> that's when I started noticing the problem.  I've since then been
> updating my system from the rawhide repos.
> 
> Kevin

You don't need anaconda for an installed system.
Am running Rawhide here with no boot problems.
Though I have removed all the "advanced sub-menu"
as it wasn't necessary in my particular boxes.

Can you boot from an earlier kernel?
do your logs give any hint of a problem.
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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Horsley
I haven't tried editing any grub entries in my f18 system, but
I did notice that f18 came with fancy gfx nonsense turned on.
I wonder if deleting all the gfx junk from the config file
and running grub with a plain old text console would allow
editing to work? (Just a random thought).
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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
On 01/09/13 08:41, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:20:01 -0600
> Kevin Martin  wrote:
> 
>> Hasn't worked for quite a while (pretty much ever since they
>> updated the grub menu boot time layout).  Is the grub boot menu
>> stuff in the anaconda package?  I'm not even sure where to start
>> looking for it.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
> 
> What point did you upgrade to Rawhide.
> New grub2 is in use since Fedora 16 was released.
> 
> 
Been running rawhide for well over a year.  The boot editing issue has occurred 
essentially since the anaconda changes.  I did a
reinstall of my system with the F18 beta DVD about 4 months ago; that's when I 
started noticing the problem.  I've since then been
updating my system from the rawhide repos.

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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:20:01 -0600
Kevin Martin  wrote:

> Hasn't worked for quite a while (pretty much ever since they
> updated the grub menu boot time layout).  Is the grub boot menu
> stuff in the anaconda package?  I'm not even sure where to start
> looking for it.
> 
> Kevin
> 

What point did you upgrade to Rawhide.
New grub2 is in use since Fedora 16 was released.


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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
On 01/09/13 08:20, Kevin Martin wrote:
> Hasn't worked for quite a while (pretty much ever since they updated the grub 
> menu boot time layout).  Is the grub boot menu stuff
> in the anaconda package?  I'm not even sure where to start looking for it.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 01/09/13 08:09, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:05:06 -0600
>> Kevin Martin  wrote:
>>
>>> that in rawhide if I try to edit a grub entry at boot time (too
>>> either set or unset something in the linux line for example) I get
>>> a blank screen and no ability to edit, boot, etc. without a hard
>>> reset.  This is with the latest updates from yesterday.  IMO, the
>>> boot menu has taken a step back in looks and, now, in functionality.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Have you a list of said updates?
>> That you can work through to find the culprit.
>>
> 
Argh, sorry for the top post.  Too used to answering email from those who 
expect top posting!

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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
Hasn't worked for quite a while (pretty much ever since they updated the grub 
menu boot time layout).  Is the grub boot menu stuff
in the anaconda package?  I'm not even sure where to start looking for it.

Kevin

On 01/09/13 08:09, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:05:06 -0600
> Kevin Martin  wrote:
> 
>> that in rawhide if I try to edit a grub entry at boot time (too
>> either set or unset something in the linux line for example) I get
>> a blank screen and no ability to edit, boot, etc. without a hard
>> reset.  This is with the latest updates from yesterday.  IMO, the
>> boot menu has taken a step back in looks and, now, in functionality.
>>
>>
> 
> Have you a list of said updates?
> That you can work through to find the culprit.
> 

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[Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:05:06 -0600
Kevin Martin  wrote:

> that in rawhide if I try to edit a grub entry at boot time (too
> either set or unset something in the linux line for example) I get
> a blank screen and no ability to edit, boot, etc. without a hard
> reset.  This is with the latest updates from yesterday.  IMO, the
> boot menu has taken a step back in looks and, now, in functionality.
> 
> 

Have you a list of said updates?
That you can work through to find the culprit.

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Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Martin
that in rawhide if I try to edit a grub entry at boot time (too either set or 
unset something in the linux line for example) I get a
blank screen and no ability to edit, boot, etc. without a hard reset.  This is 
with the latest updates from yesterday.  IMO, the
boot menu has taken a step back in looks and, now, in functionality.


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