[Texascavers] Chinese Railroad Bridge Collapse
Here's a link to a short video of the aftermath of the bridge collapse. http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_player.php?page=4id=159190 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 21 Aug 2010 03:13:00 -0000 Issue 1137
texascavers Digest 21 Aug 2010 03:13:00 - Issue 1137 Topics (messages 15831 through 15846): Re: Obama's go underground 15831 by: SS 15832 by: Stefan Creaser Krubera Cave related 15833 by: David Re: for your dog lovers 15834 by: David Weekend Work Trip to Laguna de Sanchez 15835 by: Gary Franklin 15843 by: Mark Minton stabilizing a cave roof 15836 by: Mixon Bill 15837 by: Frank Binney 15839 by: Josh Rubinstein 15840 by: Josh Rubinstein 15841 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net Re: Arf 15838 by: John.Schneider 15846 by: Rod Goke Chinese Railroad Bridge Collapse 15842 by: Gill Edigar Scientists Study Cave Ice 15844 by: Mark Minton Re: IM 2010-181, White-nose Syndrome 15845 by: Louise Power Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- More alarminglyDoes this guy ever get around to doing his day job... You know, that president thing. -Original Message- From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:23 PM To: David Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Obama's go underground David, I think the answer to your questions is probably yes. David wrote: Most likely they are not going in another cave, nor had they been in a cave prior to that. But there has to be something interesting to this story.Like did they just use an ordinary tour guide, or did they get a gov't paid specialist to accompany them on the tour, and was tax-payer money involved in that or any other unusual parts of the tour? Did the Secret Service check every lead on the map of the cave before letting the Obama's tour it? Since communications don't work underground, the First Lady and family were out of communication during the tour.Or did they run cables? Or does the Secret Service have special underground radios? Did the owner's give the tour for free?Even if they didn't I bet they lost a lot of money by allowing the tour, as the park was probably closed all day, if not for 3 days. Seriously, I just think it would be interesting to know how much work the Secret Service had to do just for a simple cave tour. I don't think I have a problem with my taxpayer money used that way, especially if it was all done appropriately. Anonymous - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- This *is* his day job. He has people to run the country. Dontcha know how it all works, he's just the fall guy... -Original Message- From: SS [mailto:back2scool...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wed 8/18/2010 11:41 PM To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com; 'David' Cc: 'Cavers Texas' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Obama's go underground More alarminglyDoes this guy ever get around to doing his day job... You know, that president thing. -Original Message- From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:23 PM To: David Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Obama's go underground David, I think the answer to your questions is probably yes. David wrote: Most likely they are not going in another cave, nor had they been in a cave prior to that. But there has to be something interesting to this story.Like did they just use an ordinary tour guide, or did they get a gov't paid specialist to accompany them on the tour, and was tax-payer money involved in that or any other unusual parts of the tour? Did the Secret Service check every lead on the map of the cave before letting the Obama's tour it? Since communications don't work underground, the First Lady and family were out of communication during the tour.Or did they run cables? Or does the Secret Service have special underground radios? Did the owner's give the tour for free?Even if they didn't I bet they lost a lot of money by allowing the tour, as the park was probably closed all day, if not for 3 days. Seriously, I just think it would be interesting to know
[Texascavers] Scientists Study Cave Ice
Similarly to ice cores from glaciers, scientists are now studying persistent cave ice for clues about past climate: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/329/5993/746 Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] FW: IM 2010-181, White-nose Syndrome
I am pleased to say that, in the spirit of better late than never, BLM has now initiated its own WNS plan. We just got this a few minutes ago, so you can take a look by clicking the link below. From the government and here to help you, Louise http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2010/IM_2010-181.html
[NMCAVER] Fw: [Texascavers] FW: IM 2010-181, White-nose Syndrome
- Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Texas Cavers Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:45 PM Subject: [Texascavers] FW: IM 2010-181, White-nose Syndrome I am pleased to say that, in the spirit of better late than never, BLM has now initiated its own WNS plan. We just got this a few minutes ago, so you can take a look by clicking the link below. From the government and here to help you, Louise http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2010/IM_2010-181.html ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Arf
... To keep the record straight, I love dogs and have had them most of my adult life. ... That leaves room for interpretation, doesn't it. Lots of people around here say they love barbecue and have had it most of their adult lives, too. You're not planning to cook for TCR by any chance, are you? ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Aug 18, 2010 9:55 AM To: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com, David dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Arf Not necessarily emergency rations. When we were caving in rural China in 1993 and living off local rations, the cook finally came up with some really good meat. Consistantly the best we had all month. Turned out to be dog. Then we noticed in the vilages that kids and puppies were frolicking around, as do kids and puppies everywhere. There was a lack of full-grown dogs, except that most families kept a well-cared bitch as a family friend and breeding stock. That observation is non-judgemental. To keep the record straight, I love dogs and have had them most of my adult life. You more mature cavers certainly remember Crooked Thumb and Woola. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:26:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] for you dog lovers Whilst in Jr High I was told that the American Indians had two domestic pets: dogs and turkeys. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Weekend Work Trip to Laguna de Sanchez
I agree with Ediger's assessment that most of the road should be relatively easy to repair for 4WD passage. Be sure to take a chain saw, a come along and a winch, in addition to other earth moving tools. In a single day back in 2006 a group of only 8 cavers rebuilt a very washed out section of road right down the middle of an arroyo in Purificación, and this looks no worse, except for the trees. (See AMCS Activities Newsletter No. 30, 2007 and Death Coral Caver No 14, 2009.) Good luck! (By the way, Ediger's comment mentioned photos 100-104, but I counted only 93 photos total!?) Mark Minton At 08:53 AM 8/19/2010, Gary Franklin wrote: RE: Weekend Work Trip August 28 29 Cavers, I am planning a Weekend Work Trip to Laguna de Sanchez to work the road down to the ranch at La Camotera where our vehicles were stranded during the Hurricane Alex rains in early July. There are some areas that need a backhoe, but much of the 4 Km road can be driven by straddling the washout gouges with the 4WD vehicles that need some help to get past some obstacles. Join us for a quick trip to Mexico to help out some cavers who are trying to get there vehicles back from a Caving trip. There was a backho in town that may be for hire. I have some rock bars, shovels, picks, and a chain winch that can provide a better work out than the gym. I need several folks and another driver. The Road to Laguna was accessible via Saltillo where the Santiago way in still lacked a section through the box canyon. We are trying to get to WGS 84 - [ 25.3146, -100.210] or [ N 25 18.876 W 100 12.600 ] A chronological trip down the road are posted at the following public link. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078702id=1422061735l=f260019c74 nd another . We are leaving out on Friday afternoon, work Saturday and Sunday, and return on Monday. Give me a call or reply to my email to share in the fun that will help out your fellow caver and the Rancher who has been cutoff for a couple of months. Gary Franklin UT Grotto - Austin Texas 512-585-6057 caver.g...@gmail.com Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
