Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Bill Bentley 
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the WAR room!"
  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Morgan 
  Cc: Texas Cavers 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related


  This conversation is starting to remind me of the 90s when I first told my 
parents that I wanted to order a book online and they thought I was crazy. 


  "It's called Amazon dot com. I'll give you cash if can use your credit card 
to order it for me." 
  "You want to put my credit card on THE INTERNET?! What's wrong with book 
stores? Book stores have books." 


  I watch the TexasCaver email list, obviously, but using e-mail as a 
discussion forum for hundreds of people is not terribly elegant. Other than 
mine us for our precious bodily fluids, er... I mean private information, 
free-form discussions amongst groups of people is what sites like Facebook do 
best.


  I'm putting this whole thread in a time capsule for 5 years from now. 


  Daniel Morgan


  On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Louise Power  
wrote:

Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's 
personal information.
 
> From: fh...@townandcountryins.com
> To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
o...@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

> 
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to 
communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and 
indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to 
cavers, what's wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
> 
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
> 
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
> 
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
> 
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
> 
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas 
caver has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
> 
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
> 
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
> 
> Below is an example:
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
> 
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or 
resource
> for communicating.
> 
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
> 
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
> 
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their 
road-trips.
> 
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
> 
> For example,
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
> 
> 
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
> 
> 
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
> 
> 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Daniel Morgan 
This conversation is starting to remind me of the 90s when I first told my
parents that I wanted to order a book online and they thought I was crazy.

"It's called Amazon dot com. I'll give you cash if can use your credit card
to order it for me."
"You want to put my credit card on THE INTERNET?! What's wrong with book
stores? Book stores have books."

I watch the TexasCaver email list, obviously, but using e-mail as a
discussion forum for hundreds of people is not terribly elegant. Other than
mine us for our precious bodily fluids, er... I mean private information,
free-form discussions amongst groups of people is what sites like Facebook
do best.

I'm putting this whole thread in a time capsule for 5 years from now.

Daniel Morgan

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Louise Power wrote:

>  Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's
> personal information.
>
> > From: fh...@townandcountryins.com
> > To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com;
> o...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> >
> > I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to
> communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and
> indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to
> cavers, what's wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
> >
> > Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> > 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> > To: Cavers Texas
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
> >
> > Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> > CaveTex.
> >
> > Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
> socializing
> > in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
> >
> > Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> > Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
> >
> > Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas
> caver has.
> > Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> > not possible on Cavetex.
> >
> > Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> > planning feature
> > of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
> >
> > As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as
> does
> > several caving organizations in Texas.
> >
> > Below is an example:
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
> >
> > I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
> resource
> > for communicating.
> >
> > Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> > CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good
> cavers
> > or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> > bats.
> >
> > I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> > many of the other
> > things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
> >
> > It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> > cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> > tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their
> road-trips.
> >
> > The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make
> caving
> > in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue
> call-out
> > might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
> project.
> > You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
> friends
> > to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> > particular project.
> >
> > For example,
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
> >
> >
> > Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
> >
> >
> > David Locklear
> > co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
> >
> >
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
> >
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[SWR] nice story on Carlsbad Caverns

2011-01-12 Thread jennifer 
>From CaveChat http://www.forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11184

 This link will take you to Caving 101 at Carlsbad and a nice article it is. 
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=12537066
A  little bit of history thrown in, along with NSS member, Mark Joop,  
explaining his tour to the folks that paid for an off-trail tour of the  
underground


  

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Louise Power 

Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's personal 
information.
 
> From: fh...@townandcountryins.com
> To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; o...@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
> 
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
> wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
> 
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
> 
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
> 
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
> 
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
> 
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
> 
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
> 
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
> 
> Below is an example:
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
> 
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
> for communicating.
> 
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
> 
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
> 
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
> 
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
> 
> For example,
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
> 
> 
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
> 
> 
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
> 
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texascavers Digest 12 Jan 2011 20:32:57 -0000 Issue 1224

2011-01-12 Thread texascavers-digest-help 

texascavers Digest 12 Jan 2011 20:32:57 - Issue 1224

Topics (messages 16841 through 16848):

Re: Facebook
16841 by: David

Re: Facebook related
16842 by: Mark Minton
16843 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
16844 by: Fritz Holt
16845 by: Gill Edigar
16846 by: Fofo
16847 by: Fritz Holt

Re: January CBSP trip report
16848 by: germanyj.aol.com

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--
--- Begin Message ---
One of the links I posted earlier was not right.

Try this one:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-Caver-Discussion-Forum/100144753397480?v=wall

That is a temporary page.Someone with more Facebook expertise is
welcome to over-write it,
modify it, expand on it, etc. I only put it out there to talk
about Facebook related to Texas caving
issues, so that Cavetex would not get a bunch of unwanted post.

Here are some sites I left out:

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12567860570

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-blind-salamander/126902757353285

And,

Who are these folks?

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=242762350877


Also, most of you know that all the major caving vendors are on
Facebook.

David Locklear
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:

Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
if I think it's interesting enough.
--Ediger


And I hope that will continue.  General discussions and 
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on 
Texascavers.  That's what it's for.  It's no harder to post there 
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in Facebook?


Mark Minton

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Agreed, Mark.


There is so much trivial, mundane, and downright stupid posts on FB that
I am 
Seriously considering dropping out from it.

And, yes, some of those same posts on FB came from yours truly.


Mark





-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Facebook related

At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:
>Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
>if I think it's interesting enough.
>--Ediger

 And I hope that will continue.  General discussions and 
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on 
Texascavers.  That's what it's for.  It's no harder to post there 
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in
Facebook?

Mark Minton

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 


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I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong 
with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?

Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
713-818-2496 AT&T cell

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
CaveTex.

Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing
in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.
Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
not possible on Cavetex.

Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
planning feature
of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
several caving organizations in Texas.

Below is an example:

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
for communicating.

Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
bats.

I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
many of the other
things

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP trip report

2011-01-12 Thread germanyj 


Denise’s dog Radish had a major conniption fit about the ‘dillo, and tried to 
eat it.


HAHAHAHAHA - I'm sure that was hilarious to witness.

I bet the 'dillo was bigger than the dog.  

I love fearless Radish!  




-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 3:14 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP trip report


Project date:   7–9 January 2011
Reported by:Jim Kennedy
Report date:11 January 2011
Person-hours:   262 hours (164 work, 98 travel)
Personnel: (23 folks)   Alexandra Albach, Gus Albach, Rebecca Albach, Robert 
Albach, Don Arburn, Dale Barnard, Grace Borengasser, Laura Cox, Ryan Fabich, 
Galen Falgout, Lydia Hernandez, Jim Kennedy, Vivian Loftin, Karen Masters, Ryan 
Monjaras, Joe Naderer, David Ochel, Denise Prendergast, Ann Scott, Matt Turner, 
Nicholas Yasui, Matt Zaldivar, Andy Zenker

This has been one of the best turnouts in recent years.  Six teams were 
fielded, most concentrating on the recently-burned Lively Pasture area.  Two 
caves were mapped, many locations ground-truthed, more new karst features 
found, a known karst feature was turned into a cave, and some new caves were 
discovered, one of which (Marshmallow) is a pretty exciting find with a lot of 
potential.

Team 1  Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner, Becky Albach, and (part time) Gus 
Albach

Matt and I had several goals this weekend:  to remove the awkward entrance rock 
at Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222), enlarge the entrance at K-46 (SAB704 — now 
renamed Rebeccas Rift), and ground-truth more caves near Embryo Cave (SAB226) 
and Gas Pipe Cave (SAB267).  We accomplished all of those, and more.
We once again drove back the access road toward the remote group camp 
(“Windmill Camp”) and parked in a nearby clearing.  We carried our tools and a 
rope and some rigging for Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222).  We demolished the big, 
awkward boulder straddling the entrance.  We were going to set a couple of 
bolts to facilitate entry, but Jim forgot to bring them.  A couple other groups 
caught up with this team about then, and David (Team 2) began to rig the 
entrance and prepare for the survey.
The duo then took off for K-46 (SAB704) with Robert’s younger daughter Becky.  
The threesome looked at some other caves and karst features along the way, and 
quickly arrived at their destination.  About an hour’s worth of work had the 
narrow rift sufficiently enlarged that a skinny team could probably fit.  The 
depth was measured with a Disto at 5.8m, so it is definitely a cave.  To 
commemorate Becky’s hard work in digging open this feature, it was renamed 
Rebeccas Rift.
They returned to Sharis Diet Cave (SAB205) to retrieve Team 3 and send them on 
to Rebeccas Rift to push and map it, but they were already done and gone.  They 
were found again at Rabbit Run Grotto, briefed, and sent off to Rebeccas Rift.  
Team 1 then picked up Gus Albach and headed off to find more caves.
Trapdoor Cave (SAB690) was finally GPSed.  They then found Gas Pipe Cave 
(SAB267), which had two sets of coordinates, both wrong.  Good coordinates were 
gathered.  Then off to Embryo Cave (SAB226), where better coordinates were also 
collected.  Slick Mudder Cave (SAB225) was also mislocated, but eventually 
found and recorded.  However, it is not a cave, just a shallow karst feature 
filled with sediment.  We found the tag on a nearby tree, so we knew that this 
is the “cave” that is in our database.  We wandered around some more trying to 
find other nearby caves with the GPS.  Cave Number 6 (SAB224) eluded us, even 
though we all walked several circles around where it was supposed to be. A 
small crevice sort-of nearby was found, but it wasn’t tagged (so far called 
“Crevice Karst Feature”).  The team also re-found SABK045, an unnamed karst 
feature, and SB231, and unnamed cave in a dense thicket.  Coordinates were a 
bit off for both, and it is unsure whether or not they are actually on the Park 
property, so no further investigation of these two occurred.  One more obvious 
trash-filled sink (“Trash Sink”) right next to the road was also recorded.  
Surprisingly, no one ever recorded it before.
The highlight of the day, however, came with the discovery of another new cave, 
Marshmallow Cave (no SAB number yet).  As usual, Jim noticed a shallow slump 
under some trees.  A few rocks were removed, revealing a larger collapse, 
mostly covered by soil and large rocks.  After an hour or so of work by Jim, 
Matt, and the kids, the entrance was large enough for Jim to enter.  A fairly 
easy climbdown of about 3.5 meters opened to a dry stream crawl of easy 
hands-and-knees dimensions.  After about 30m, the passage picked up another 
infeeder, and dropped 4m to another going dry stream passage.  The air was a 
little bad there, and two impressionable young children were along, so it was 
decided not to try anything foolhardy at that point.  This cave is trending 
towards Tie Slide Creek, and looks like

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Fritz Holt 
No argument against this mode for those with the time to devote to basically 
non productive endeavors, myself included. Fun entertainment, information?
One can get all of this on the internet without being on facebook. OT works 
fine for me.

F

-Original Message-
From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: David; Cavers Texas; Off-Topic Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends & current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
 wrote:
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
> wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
> resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Fofo 
MySpace... I should join that. I think it's growing like crazy and doing great.

 :)

     - Fofo

On Jan 12, 2011 10:08, Fritz Holt  wrote: 

I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong 
with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?



Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)

713-818-2496 AT&T cell



-Original Message-

From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM

To: Cavers Texas

Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related



Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than

CaveTex.



Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing

in a way that was never done on CaveTex.



Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about

Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.



Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.

Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were

not possible on Cavetex.



Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events

planning feature

of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.



As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does

several caving organizations in Texas.



Below is an example:



 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179



I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource

for communicating.



Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on

CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers

or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and

bats.



I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and

many of the other

things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.



It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.  All the latest

cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable

tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.



The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving

in Texas even more fun, or productive.For example, a cave rescue call-out

might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.

You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends

to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that

particular project.



For example,



 http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive





Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:



 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087





David Locklear

co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout



http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713



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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Gill Edigar 
Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends & current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
 wrote:
> I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
> with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
> telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
> wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
>
> Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
> 713-818-2496 AT&T cell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
> resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Fritz Holt 
I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong 
with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?

Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
713-818-2496 AT&T cell

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
CaveTex.

Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing
in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.
Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
not possible on Cavetex.

Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
planning feature
of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
several caving organizations in Texas.

Below is an example:

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
for communicating.

Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
bats.

I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
many of the other
things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.

It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.  All the latest
cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.

The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
in Texas even more fun, or productive.For example, a cave rescue call-out
might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.
You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends
to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
particular project.

For example,

 http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive


Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:

 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087


David Locklear
co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout

http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713

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RE: [Texascavers] Re: Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Mark . Alman 
Agreed, Mark.


There is so much trivial, mundane, and downright stupid posts on FB that
I am 
Seriously considering dropping out from it.

And, yes, some of those same posts on FB came from yours truly.


Mark





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From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Facebook related

At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:
>Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
>if I think it's interesting enough.
>--Ediger

 And I hope that will continue.  General discussions and 
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on 
Texascavers.  That's what it's for.  It's no harder to post there 
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in
Facebook?

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[SWR] LNF related information - Update

2011-01-12 Thread Ken Harrington 

Hi all,
 
Here is the latest information that I have on the status of the two cave 
poisitions in the Lincoln National Forest (LNF).
 
Cave Technician GS 5/7/9  They have finally completed the rewrite of the SKE 
portion of the job discription and the position will be advertised toward the 
end of this month with a goal of having someone hired and in place by Early 
April of this year.  This individual will be didicated full time to caving 
related efforts.  The rewrite efforts were to insure that the selected 
individual has caving experieince and knowledge.  This person will be assigned 
t the Guadalupe District office in Carlsbad.  This will be the first time in 
eight years that the Forest Service has had a full time "cave" position in the 
LNF.
 
Regional Cave Specialist GS7/9/11  This position has been put on hold for 
financial reasons.  With the loss of Jacque Buchanan to push for this position 
there is probably little chance that it will ever be filled.  Region Three 
management is skeptical of the requirements for cave related positions to start 
with and the current budgetary "crisis" is a handy excuse not to fill the 
position.  There was also some disagreement on where the position should be 
located; Carlsbad or another location.
 
Other developments:
 
The agreement between the SWR and the LNF to conduct monitoring trips to the 
various caves has been finalized and is ready for signature.  That means that 
we can soon move on to the planning phase of which caves need effrorts and what 
the efforts will be for each cave.  Once we have a plan, I will be sending out 
notices requesting volunteers (from the list) to perform the trips and perform 
the needed activities.  The initial trips wil probably be bat related, but the 
plans are still to be formulated.
 
Region Three of the FS has not, as of yesterday, come up with a plan for 
dealing with caves, cave closings, etc related to WNS.  While the local office 
had told me that they would be closing three caves due to bats and WNS (fears) 
they have not yet done so.  The caves that they had planned to close were 
Cottonwood, Hidden and Sentinel.  However, because they have not recieved any 
directive from Region Three the caves remain open and they will not be opening 
any other caves for recreational caving until they have clarification where 
Region Three management is going.  I had been told that Region Three was going 
to leave the cave closure determinations up to the local districts, but 
apparently the local districts have not been informed of that.  The biggest 
problem that I foresee is that, if, or I should say when, the first bat with 
anything that looks like WNS is found in NM, they may close everything as a 
knee jerk reaction.  A single bat in Oklahoma caused an incredible 
over-reaction last year in areas to the north and west of there.

As I learn of new developments I will attempt to keep you informed.
 
Ken
 
 
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 

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[Texascavers] Re: Facebook related

2011-01-12 Thread Mark Minton 

At 11:11 PM 1/11/2011, Gill Edigar wrote:

Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
if I think it's interesting enough.
--Ediger


And I hope that will continue.  General discussions and 
things of interest to Texas cavers _should_ be posted on 
Texascavers.  That's what it's for.  It's no harder to post there 
than on Facebook, and why cut out people who have no interest in Facebook?


Mark Minton

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