Re: [Texascavers] casto hole
I'm sure you've already seen these, but some links are below. Jackson County, WV has no cave-bearing limestone that I'm aware of, so it's not likely that it's much more than a sandstone shelter, although there are a few caves in spalled ridgetop sandstones that have becove covered between the blocks and form fairly substantial pseudokarst. I've never been to Jackson County, though, so I can't confirm that's what's going on there...could be a river cut as well I guess. http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38856 http://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/1008 http://www.google.com/search?q=Casto+Hole+located+in+Limber+Ridge+at+Statts+Mill+in+Jackson+Co.+WVArls=com.microsoft:en-usie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8startIndex=startPage=1 From: Cynthia Lee cynthiale...@gmail.com To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:15:53 AM Subject: [Texascavers] casto hole Have any of you ever heard of a cave called Casto Hole located in Limber Ridge at Statts Mill in Jackson Co. WVA? Cindy Lee
Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope
The dolphins are safe! A fluorescent material glows under a UV lamp, but stops glowing as soon as the lamp is turned off. A phosphorescent material keeps glowing for a while afterwards. ;-) From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com; Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:59:55 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope You better go kill a dolphin...you were wrong: Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation of a different wavelength. [1]. It is a form of luminescence. In most cases, emitted light has a longer wavelength, and therefore lower energy, than the absorbed radiation. However, when the absorbed electromagnetic radiation is intense, it is possible for one electron to absorb two photons; this two-photon absorption can lead to emission of radiation having a shorter wavelength than the absorbed radiation. The most striking examples of fluorescence occur when the absorbed radiation is in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum, and thus invisible, and the emitted light is in the visible region. Fluorescence has many practical applications, including mineralogy, gemology, chemical sensors (Fluorescence spectroscopy), fluorescent labelling, dyes, biological detectors, and, most commonly, fluorescent lamps. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:26 PM Something that can be charged up in light and then will glow for six hours is phosphorescent, not fluorescent. Sheesh!.--Bill Mixon, fussy editor No dolphins were killed in the preparation of this e-mail. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] casto hole
I'm sure you've already seen these, but some links are below. Jackson County, WV has no cave-bearing limestone that I'm aware of, so it's not likely that it's much more than a sandstone shelter, although there are a few caves in spalled ridgetop sandstones that have becove covered between the blocks and form fairly substantial pseudokarst. I've never been to Jackson County, though, so I can't confirm that's what's going on there...could be a river cut as well I guess. http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38856 http://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/1008 http://www.google.com/search?q=Casto+Hole+located+in+Limber+Ridge+at+Statts+Mill+in+Jackson+Co.+WVArls=com.microsoft:en-usie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8startIndex=startPage=1 From: Cynthia Lee cynthiale...@gmail.com To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:15:53 AM Subject: [Texascavers] casto hole Have any of you ever heard of a cave called Casto Hole located in Limber Ridge at Statts Mill in Jackson Co. WVA? Cindy Lee
Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope
The dolphins are safe! A fluorescent material glows under a UV lamp, but stops glowing as soon as the lamp is turned off. A phosphorescent material keeps glowing for a while afterwards. ;-) From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com; Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:59:55 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope You better go kill a dolphin...you were wrong: Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation of a different wavelength. [1]. It is a form of luminescence. In most cases, emitted light has a longer wavelength, and therefore lower energy, than the absorbed radiation. However, when the absorbed electromagnetic radiation is intense, it is possible for one electron to absorb two photons; this two-photon absorption can lead to emission of radiation having a shorter wavelength than the absorbed radiation. The most striking examples of fluorescence occur when the absorbed radiation is in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum, and thus invisible, and the emitted light is in the visible region. Fluorescence has many practical applications, including mineralogy, gemology, chemical sensors (Fluorescence spectroscopy), fluorescent labelling, dyes, biological detectors, and, most commonly, fluorescent lamps. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:26 PM Something that can be charged up in light and then will glow for six hours is phosphorescent, not fluorescent. Sheesh!.--Bill Mixon, fussy editor No dolphins were killed in the preparation of this e-mail. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] casto hole
I'm sure you've already seen these, but some links are below. Jackson County, WV has no cave-bearing limestone that I'm aware of, so it's not likely that it's much more than a sandstone shelter, although there are a few caves in spalled ridgetop sandstones that have becove covered between the blocks and form fairly substantial pseudokarst. I've never been to Jackson County, though, so I can't confirm that's what's going on there...could be a river cut as well I guess. http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38856 http://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/1008 http://www.google.com/search?q=Casto+Hole+located+in+Limber+Ridge+at+Statts+Mill+in+Jackson+Co.+WVArls=com.microsoft:en-usie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8startIndex=startPage=1 From: Cynthia Lee cynthiale...@gmail.com To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:15:53 AM Subject: [Texascavers] casto hole Have any of you ever heard of a cave called Casto Hole located in Limber Ridge at Statts Mill in Jackson Co. WVA? Cindy Lee
Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope
The dolphins are safe! A fluorescent material glows under a UV lamp, but stops glowing as soon as the lamp is turned off. A phosphorescent material keeps glowing for a while afterwards. ;-) From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com; Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:59:55 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope You better go kill a dolphin...you were wrong: Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation of a different wavelength. [1]. It is a form of luminescence. In most cases, emitted light has a longer wavelength, and therefore lower energy, than the absorbed radiation. However, when the absorbed electromagnetic radiation is intense, it is possible for one electron to absorb two photons; this two-photon absorption can lead to emission of radiation having a shorter wavelength than the absorbed radiation. The most striking examples of fluorescence occur when the absorbed radiation is in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum, and thus invisible, and the emitted light is in the visible region. Fluorescence has many practical applications, including mineralogy, gemology, chemical sensors (Fluorescence spectroscopy), fluorescent labelling, dyes, biological detectors, and, most commonly, fluorescent lamps. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:26 PM Something that can be charged up in light and then will glow for six hours is phosphorescent, not fluorescent. Sheesh!.--Bill Mixon, fussy editor No dolphins were killed in the preparation of this e-mail. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Lumens ?
As I read that chart, the 2 refers to the technical note No. 2 at the bottom (which reads calculated based on LED output and optical efficiency of lenses and front window) - it doesn't mean squared. So the lumens would be 140 for the Turbo setting. I have no idea if the cycling light is really 10 times brighter (wonder how long that one lasts?). Keith From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 1:19:20 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Lumens ? I have a question for you engineers. The Sten light power brightness summary : http://www.stenlight.com/fact-sheet.htm States that on TURBO setting with no limiting the LUMEN output is 140 lumens...and at the top of the chart it says the units are LUMENS 2 ( squared). What does that mean? What is the actual LUMEN output? I am trying to compare the LUMEN output of a Stenlight to a cycling light that claims to put out 1400 LUMENSand I simply do not believe that it is 10 times brighter than a STEN Light. I would be running into a lot of trees if the Stenlight is truely that dim
Re: [Texascavers] Rappel off a building for charity
Hell, I just hope they use a rope pad (or better yet a lip roller)! Keith From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 2:25:56 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rappel off a building for charity Good God! I hope someone qualified actually lowers these people, rather than allowing inexperienced yahoos to plunge to their death...though I suppose some additional money could be raised if you charge the spectators to such an event. Diana On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Joe Ranzau wrote: Rappel off a building for charity By Andrea Ball | Monday, September 13, 2010, 04:41 PM Talk about extreme fundraising. Special Olympics Texas is hosting one of the craziest, sweat-inducing fundraisers I’ve ever heard of. Essentially, people who raise $1,000 or more for the nonprofit will be allowed to rappel down the InterContinental Stephen F. Austin Hotel on Nov. 2. Holy. Moly. Here’s the press release: AUSTIN - Calling all adrenaline junkies… do you have what it takes to rappel 15 to 22 stories down a high-rise hotel? If so, Special Olympics Texas wants you! Over the Edge, presented statewide by Subaru, is a Special Olympics Texas FUNdraising event that is geared toward the fearless or those looking to overcome their fears! Premiering in Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston and Austin this fall, participants will raise funds (a minimum of $1,000), and their heart rate, for the once-in-a-lifetime experience of rappelling 15 to 22 stories down the InterContinental Hotel. Businesses and organizations can raise funds in order to “toss their boss” for the cause. The event kicks off in Dallas/Fort Worth at the InterContinental Dallas Hotel on October 27, drops on the InterContinental Houston Hotel on October 30, and the final descent is in Austin at the InterContinental Stephen F. Austin Hotel on November 2. Over the Edge participants should be 18 years or older by the day of the event, and weigh between 110 to 300 lbs. Each participant agrees to raise a minimum of $1,000 at least two days prior to the event. Every friend, family or co-worker donating $50 to help send participants Over the Edge will be entered for a chance to win a 2011 Subaru Outback. To learn more or to register to go Over the Edge, visit www.specialolympicstexas.org today! http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/charity/entries/2010/09/13/rappel_off_a_building_for_char.html?cxntfid=blogs_charity_chat t - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles
Here in Hogtown we are crushed. Wes was the best, larger than life, a motorcycle riding, beer drinking, bad joke telling, world traveling, deep diving superhero. Amen to that. We're crushed here in Houston as well. I will miss him a great deal.
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Another Way to Die in a Cave
Ha! Yeah, it only took one shot, but we were trying to get *all* the caves in the county mapped (and as far as I know we did!). I think we mapped at least two that were even shorter - although one of those actually has two entrances. From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 4:10:47 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Another Way to Die in a Cave Keith, You mapped a 17-foot long cave?! Sounds like a candidate for Ediger's list of shortest caves. :-) Mark At 04:38 PM 6/10/2010, Keith Goggin wrote: Wow! I mapped that little cave about 25 years ago when we published the Roanoke County Cave Survey (that one was one of the smallest!). The matress was there then too. Keith From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 1:57:08 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Another Way to Die in a Cave Here's another way to die in a cave: by fire. http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/249700 Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] ICS Wednesday night party
Did anyone happen to take any photos of the Wednesday night party? Both crowd and band shots would be great. I think that was by far the best crowd we've ever had for the Syphons. Keith
Re: Fw: Re: [Texascavers] --- Texas Cavers Premiere --- Monday, July 20, Dietert Auditorium 6pm --- Please join us!!
Any chance of getting it as a program at the Houston Grotto Meeting? There are a bunch of folks from the Houston Grotto who busted their asses to help out with the signs, etc. for the ICS/NSS meeting and couldn't make it to the meeting. It would be great to give them an opportunity to view the film. Keith From: Gary Franklin garyfrankl...@austin.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com; freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:44:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [Texascavers] --- Texas Cavers Premiere --- Monday, July 20, Dietert Auditorium 6pm --- Please join us!! freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: = The TEXAS CAVER movie will be the Program at an Upcoming UT Grotto meeting. I understand that the DVDs are also available for purchase. Check TEXASCAVERS for upcoming details about the Grotto showing and DVD sales, Gary Franklin UT Grotto Vice-Chair www.utgrotto.org v...@utgrotto.org --- On Sat, 7/18/09, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: From: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] --- Texas Cavers Premiere --- Monday, July 20, Dietert Auditorium 6pm --- Please join us!! To: Grace Borengasser borengas...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:20 AM Is it possible to see this movie without having to pay $350.00 dollars admission or even $50.00 dollars for the ICS day pass? It would be nice to see this without having to participate in the most expensive event ever known in caving history. --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Grace Borengasser borengas...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grace Borengasser borengas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] --- Texas Cavers Premiere --- Monday, July 20, Dietert Auditorium 6pm --- Please join us!! To: melvin noble freedomno...@yahoo.com, texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 3:28 PM There is no need to buy a ticket to come to the premiere, essentially it's included in the price of ICS admission. -Grace On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, melvin noble freedomno...@yahoo.com wrote: do we just need to show up there and buy a ticket? Its open to public right? sorry for stupid questions melvin --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Grace Borengasser borengas...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grace Borengasser borengas...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] --- Texas Cavers Premiere --- Monday, July 20, Dietert Auditorium 6pm --- Please join us!! To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:24 PM Hello everyone, There are only three more days til the long awaited premiere of Texas Cavers. We would be delighted if you and all your caver friends would join us for the screening! The movie premiere is scheduled at 6:00 PM on Monday 20 July in Dietert Auditorium on the Schreiner University Campus. Check out the movie website and link to the trailer: www.texascaversmovie.com View the movie poster here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/graceborengasser/3619004889/sizes/o/ 18 x 24 posters as well as DVDs will be available for sale at the TSA's booth in vendor-ville. Thanks Lee Jay! Hope to see you there!! Plunge Productions crew: Joe Datri Aimee Beveridge Geoff Hoese Grace Borengasser - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Sign comittee volunteers needed...
Speaking of volunteers...we could use all the help we can get! VOLUNTEERS DESPARATELY NEEDED FOR SIGNS COMMITTEE!!! VOLUNTEERS (FOR FRIDAY or SATURDAY ONLY) TO: DISTRIBUTE SIGNS AROUND CAMPUS, ON ROADWAYS AND IN BUILDINGS at Schreiner University. VOLUNTEERS FOR (FRIDAY or SATURDAY ONLY) TO: RIG AND HANG FLAGS IN DIETERT AUDITORIUM on SU Campus. This job is for someone who likes to rig things! VOLUNTEERS FOR (WEEK) TO: Make morning rounds to verify signs are still in place in 5 main session facilities. (This should only take ½ an hour each morning. Your job would be to report sign damage and location to Lisa Goggin and possibly assist with sign replacement if you have time) VOLUNTEERS FOR LAST DAYS (SATURDAY AND SUNDAY) OF CONGRESS TO: COLLECT SIGNS, TAKE DOWN FLAGS, PACKAGE (SHRINKWRAP) SIGNS MATERIALS FOR NEXT YEAR’S NSS CONVENTION. TO VOLUNTEER PLEASE CONTACT: LISA GOGGIN (l...@sbcglobal.net) THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP! LISA
Re: [Texascavers] Kerrville Google Map
Here's the quote from teh ICS page: Internet services Most of Schreiner University has wireless Internet access. If you arrive with your laptop or other digital device, you will be given information on how to use the university's wireless network free of charge during the week of the Congress. Additionally, several computers with Internet connections will be available around the campus for your use. From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:31:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kerrville Google Map Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS? On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful! -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [texascavers] Boot toe guard repair
First, either start with a *good* cleaning of your boots (or better yet, start with a new pair), then coat with a few layers of Aquaseal - all over the toes and back to around the heel. It's quite likely the Aquaseal will outlast the rest of your caving boots. Good luck! From: Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:32:13 PM Subject: [Texascavers] [texascavers] Boot toe guard repair It seems like I go through the toes of my caving shoes/boots faster than any other part. Does anyone have good solutions for repairing or making good toe guards for caving? I have used Sof Sole Shoe Goo to repair hiking boots before and was thinking I could just use that to affix some new rubber. http://www.rei.com/product/679240 I also ran across Tuff Toe (basically polyurethane) http://www.tufftoeworkboots.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=7products_id=9 Anyone have some ideas or recommendations? Thanks, Simon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Paging Dale Barnard
Dale - contact me off forum, I have a question/favor to ask. Keith
Re: [Texascavers] US Fish and Wildlife Issues Caving Moratorium in the East
I like how commercial caves are apparently immune to the problem. From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net To: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:45:36 PM Subject: [Texascavers] US Fish and Wildlife Issues Caving Moratorium in the East Subject: URGENT: USFWS issues call for caving moratorium At 2:00 this afternoon, the USFWS issued a call for a moratorium on caving in all WNS-affected states and adjoining states - basically, Maine to Ohio, to Kentucky, to North Carolina. Here is their statement and a link to more info. Peter (I don't know who Peter is but...) Cave activity discouraged to help protect bats from deadly white-nose syndrome White-nose syndrome, a wildlife crisis of unprecedented proportions, has killed hundreds of thousands of bats from Vermont to West Virginia and continues unchecked. Now, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is asking those who use caves where bats hibernate – called hibernacula – to take extra precautions and to curtail activities to help prevent the spread of WNS. There is no known human health risk associated with white-nose syndrome in bats. While the actual cause of WNS is unknown, scientists are reasonably certain that WNS is transmitted from bat-to-bat. However, WNS has been found in caves a significant distance from WNS-affected hibernacula, leading scientists to believe that something else is moving WNS. “We suspect that white-nose syndrome may be transmitted by humans inadvertently carrying WNS from cave to cave where bats hibernate,” said Northeast Regional Director Marvin Moriarty of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. In addition, federal and state scientists will evaluate all scientific activities in hibernacula for their potential to spread WNS, weighing potential benefits of the research against the risk to bats. “We are working closely with state natural resource agencies, the caving community, conservation organizations and other federal agencies on this issue,9 D Moriarty said. “We understand that following these recommendations will inconvenience recreational cavers, but we believe this is the most responsible course of action as we face this unknown threat to bats, which play an important role in our world.” The Service’s cave advisory will be posted at 2 p.m. at http://www.fws. gov/northeast/ white_nose. html. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service works with others to conserve, protect, and enhance fish, wildlife, plants, and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. We are both a leader and a trusted partner in fish and wildlife conservation, known for our scientific excellence, stewardship of lands and natural resources, dedicated professionals, and commitment to public service. For more information about our work and the people who make it happen, visit http://www.fws.gov. Questions and Answers U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Cave Advisory March 26, 2009 What is the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service recommending in its cave advisory? The Service’s cave advisory has four recommendations to limit the possible spread of white-nose syndrome by human activity: A voluntary moratorium on caving in states with confirmed WNS and all adjoining states; Nationally, in states not WNS-affected or adjoining states, use clothing and gear that has never been in caves in WNS-affected or adjoining states; State and federal conservation agencies should evaluate scientific activities for their potential to spread WNS; and Nationally, researchers should use clothing and gear that has never been in caves in a WNS-affected or adjoining state. This also applies to mines used by cavers. What is the timeframe for this cave advisory? We are not placing a time limit on this cave advisory. Scientists are working to determine the cause of WNS. We do not know when we will have answers to how WNS spreads. Whatever is causing WNS may remain in caves where bats hibernate (hibernacula) even when bats are not present, and we are concerned that people may inadvertently carry WNS out of the cave with them. We intend to review the cave advisory frequently – at least quarterly. What proof do you have that people are contri buting to the spread of WNS? While we do not have conclusive proof, the leapfrogging pattern of WNS spread suggests that humans may be contributing to the spread. In some areas, caves known to be popular destinations for cavers have bats with WNS, while bats in nearby caves not frequented by cavers do not show WNS symptoms. Records of caver movements also show a connection among sites in WNS-affected areas. Why are recreational cavers being asked to curtail activities, while many scientists and researchers are allowed to continue their cave work? Most of the scientists and researchers working in caves are investigating WNS. We think it is
Re: [Texascavers] Ibberson has died
I'm really sorry to hear this. I can only remember a couple short cave trips with Dale, but there were many nights around the fire are various caver functions over the years. He was a good guy. Keith From: Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:01:51 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Ibberson has died For those few Texas cavers who may have known Dale Ibberson--a very active mover and shaker in the York Grotto, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and MAR caving scene in general, and the NSS for over 40 years--I'm sorry to have to report that he died a few days ago. The information I have is a bit sketchy so I can't supply any more details right now. Dale was a good friend of mine since the early '70s. He was an ardent speleo-historian. The walls of his house were lined with bookshelves filled not only with books but with all sorts of art related to caves and caving. He was a major figure in caving politics in the MAR for as long as he'd been caving. Dale was an excellent example of a caver dedicated to the sport. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
So do it. Raise my dues. So what if it's another $10 a year? Ten dollars a year? If that breaks you, then you surely can't buy batteries for your LED light either. Amen to that. Hell, I'll even pay double so some poor caver doesn't have to cave in the dark. An extra 10 bucks a year is $0.03/day. I'd rather spend my time hunting parking lots for enough spare change to cover the increase than I would spending it driving to a copy shop to get the thing printed (for even more money!). Why not have a Hard Copy rate and a Digital Only Rate (say, 10 dollars less - or whatever the actual cost of publication is)? Keith From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com speleoste...@tx.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Terri Sprouse posada...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:56:40 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online Terri Sprouse posada...@yahoo.com wrote: Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep printing the hard copies. I agree. So do it. Raise my dues. So what if it's another $10 a year? Ten dollars a year? If that breaks you, then you surely can't buy batteries for your LED light either. Bill - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
Maybe I've misread something, but seems to me that regardless of whether or not you pay more for a hard copy the digital copies should be available to all paid members. From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:40:24 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online No, Lyndon. We agreed to strongly encourage everyone to sign up in the Members Section on the TSA website. By doing so, this would indicate that you would be accessing the site for each TC that comes out. If you're on this Members List, you will NOT be receiving a hard copy. We will gauge the response. We have 20 signed up, so far. We may have to tweak this setup and, possibly, revisit in April. More than one person has suggested going all electronic on the TC and charging more for those that want the hard copy. Lots of ideas and discussions and that's a good thing. See you this evening, Lyndon. Drive careful and thanks for helping out! Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:36 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:13 -0600 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: We may revisit this in April and go to the two-tiered membership, A lower fee for electronic access only and a higher fee for a mailed TC. Q: I forgot how we agreed on this. Is it by default, starting Q1 2009 - that everyone will NOT get a mailed hard copy unless they specifically request for it? And they only have to request once and all future copies will be mailed out to them or is it one request per issue? Depending on the A to the above Q. An option is to sit this out and wait and observe how things go. If the majority are happy with the electronic version and only a few are being mailed out. Then we have solved the primary goal of having electronic copies - saving money. I think a majority will opt for the electronic copy anyways. Only a few will want mailed hard copies. For the few that want it, let them have it. I (not getting a hard copy) personally don't mind paying the same membership amount as a person who is getting his hard copy. I believe most don't mind either. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
Thanks Butch! People can print their own damned hard copies! Here's an idea - let's just pool a portion of the dues money and communally buy a good quality color printer (since that is a fairly expensive iten for a lot of individuals and probably most of us don't have one) and then mail it out. Oh wait... From: Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.org To: Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.org; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Keith Goggin ke...@sbcglobal.net; Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:36:28 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes You can now update your profile online and change the state on both registration and your profile. Butch From:Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@maverickgrotto.org] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:49 AM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; 'Keith Goggin'; 'Lyndon Tiu'; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online I never understood that registering for the member area would determine whether someone got a hard copy or electronic copy. Whether you get a hard copy or electronic copy is a membership option (online anyway). Electronic copies should be available to all members but some members will opt to get their copy there vs. a hard copy. Personally I prefer the electronic version because I’m swamped in “hard copy.” Butch P.S., I’ve noted a few folks Mark, Lyndon finding bugs, I’ll get those attended to asap. From:mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:59 AM To: Keith Goggin; Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online We can look into this option, Keith. Another item for your To Do List, huh. Butch? Thanks, Mark From:Keith Goggin [mailto:ke...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Fri 1/16/2009 7:58 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online Maybe I've misread something, but seems to me that regardless of whether or not you pay more for a hard copy the digital copies should be available to all paid members. From:mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:40:24 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online No, Lyndon. We agreed to strongly encourage everyone to sign up in the Members Section on the TSA website. By doing so, this would indicate that you would be accessing the site for each TC that comes out. If you're on this Members List, you will NOT be receiving a hard copy. We will gauge the response. We have 20 signed up, so far. We may have to tweak this setup and, possibly, revisit in April. More than one person has suggested going all electronic on the TC and charging more for those that want the hard copy. Lots of ideas and discussions and that's a good thing. See you this evening, Lyndon. Drive careful and thanks for helping out! Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:36 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:13 -0600 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: We may revisit this in April and go to the two-tiered membership, A lower fee for electronic access only and a higher fee for a mailed TC. Q: I forgot how we agreed on this. Is it by default, starting Q1 2009 - that everyone will NOT get a mailed hard copy unless they specifically request for it? And they only have to request once and all future copies will be mailed out to them or is it one request per issue? Depending on the A to the above Q. An option is to sit this out and wait and observe how things go. If the majority are happy with the electronic version and only a few are being mailed out. Then we have solved the primary goal of having electronic copies - saving money. I think a majority will opt for the electronic copy anyways. Only a few will want mailed hard copies. For the few that want it, let them have it. I (not getting a hard copy) personally don't mind paying the same membership amount as a person who is getting his hard copy. I believe most don't mind either. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Four boys rescued from Bexar County cave
Thanks for the support, you know how those irreverent, uppity Yankees are from Virginia. Geary Careful now, son! ;-) K
