[SWR] Is this hole that appeared in Siberia a sinkhole or a blowout
It looks like a sinkhole or some kind of collapse from the air. However, an oblique view looks like there is elevation along the sides, which would imply an explosion. What do you think? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2693105/Giant-hole-appears-Siberia-Huge-crater-emerges-end-world.html Mike Lorimer San Antonio, Texas -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 210 232-6689 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] A Man Falls Into Hidden Sinkhole in his backyard and dies.
It would nice, within reason, to have a sinkhole in your backyard, but not to die in it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424569/Marine-Curtis-Powelson-dies-falling-sinkhole-Fort-Leonard-Wood-Army-base-Missouri.html -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] The Elder One
If I would hazard a guess, it is something that one would get from the south end of a north facing Shriner. Congratulations David, I would wager that all of the new cave passages that you helped to discover would add up to more than 76 miles. Mike Lorimer San Antonio, TX 78232 On 7/23/2013 1:58 PM, Andy Komensky wrote: would he drink a Shiner Bock??? Does he know what a Shiner Bock is??? From: Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net To: dave belski bel...@valornet.com Cc: s...@caver.net Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SWR] The Elder One Cyanide? On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, dave belski wrote: All, Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting and proper to wish him all the best. I plan to present him with a bottle of something to start the celebration. Dave ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave
Has any body thought about what it will be like living under the flight path of a few million bats. "Back inside, honey, because the Fertizer Express is about to make another run on our house." "But aren't the flowers wonderful." "They would be, if I could see them under that 6 inches of bat sh*t. Two runs, one in the morning and one at night. We shouldn't have bought this darn house. I think that the roofs going to collapse." Mike On 5/22/2013 2:37 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Very true, George. I hadnt thought of that. Mark From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:31 PM To: Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Mark, Thats a good and fair question. It also ties more into biology so Ill defer to Jim Kennedy to answer more authoritatively than I can as a hydrogeologist. However, in the comments I sent to the San Antonio City Council I pointed out that the high-density development is also over the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone. Such developments have been demonstrated to diminish the volume of water replenishing the regions primary water supply as well as having a much greater risk of degrading the quality of the water. While bats are getting the emphasis, this type of development is also bad for people who rely on the Edwards. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:15 PM To: George Veni; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Thanks for the interesting post, George. I do have one question, though, and I am NOT picking sides here: Whats the difference between houses 800 to 900 yards away from the Bracken Cave entrance and bats living under the Congress Street Bridge in Austin, smack dab in the middle of downtown Austin? The Austin colony seems to be functioning fine and thriving, may I say, growing? And the buildings (read high rises) are much closer than 800 to 900 yards. Just playing dumb here, so please dont advocate having me drawn and quartered and left in a pile of guano! Inquiring minds just want to know. Your thoughts? (Im ducking under a table now) Mark Alman (not Minton) J From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM To: Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave http://www.kens5.com/news/Bracken-Bat-Cave-vs-Crescent-Hills--208381441.html For more information and to learn how to help, go to http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/latest-news/714-save-bracken-cave-reserve.html?utm_campaign=educationutm_source=externalutm_medium=redirect. San Antonio City Council will meet to discuss and decide on this issue in one week. Sign the on-line petition but if you have time, remember that your letters and e-mails will have much greater impact, especially if received before the meeting on the 29th so the mayor, councilors, and their staff have time to read or at least review them. If you live in the San Antonio,
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave
Has any body thought about what it will be like living under the flight path of a few million bats. "Back inside, honey, because the Fertizer Express is about to make another run on our house." "But aren't the flowers wonderful." "They would be, if I could see them under that 6 inches of bat sh*t. Two runs, one in the morning and one at night. We shouldn't have bought this darn house. I think that the roofs going to collapse." Mike On 5/22/2013 2:37 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Very true, George. I hadnt thought of that. Mark From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:31 PM To: Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Mark, Thats a good and fair question. It also ties more into biology so Ill defer to Jim Kennedy to answer more authoritatively than I can as a hydrogeologist. However, in the comments I sent to the San Antonio City Council I pointed out that the high-density development is also over the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone. Such developments have been demonstrated to diminish the volume of water replenishing the regions primary water supply as well as having a much greater risk of degrading the quality of the water. While bats are getting the emphasis, this type of development is also bad for people who rely on the Edwards. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:15 PM To: George Veni; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Thanks for the interesting post, George. I do have one question, though, and I am NOT picking sides here: Whats the difference between houses 800 to 900 yards away from the Bracken Cave entrance and bats living under the Congress Street Bridge in Austin, smack dab in the middle of downtown Austin? The Austin colony seems to be functioning fine and thriving, may I say, growing? And the buildings (read high rises) are much closer than 800 to 900 yards. Just playing dumb here, so please dont advocate having me drawn and quartered and left in a pile of guano! Inquiring minds just want to know. Your thoughts? (Im ducking under a table now) Mark Alman (not Minton) J From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM To: Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave http://www.kens5.com/news/Bracken-Bat-Cave-vs-Crescent-Hills--208381441.html For more information and to learn how to help, go to http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/latest-news/714-save-bracken-cave-reserve.html?utm_campaign=educationutm_source=externalutm_medium=redirect. San Antonio City Council will meet to discuss and decide on this issue in one week. Sign the on-line petition but if you have time, remember that your letters and e-mails will have much greater impact, especially if received before the meeting on the 29th so the mayor, councilors, and their staff have time to read or at least review them. If you live in the San Antonio,
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave
Has any body thought about what it will be like living under the flight path of a few million bats. "Back inside, honey, because the Fertizer Express is about to make another run on our house." "But aren't the flowers wonderful." "They would be, if I could see them under that 6 inches of bat sh*t. Two runs, one in the morning and one at night. We shouldn't have bought this darn house. I think that the roofs going to collapse." Mike On 5/22/2013 2:37 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Very true, George. I hadnt thought of that. Mark From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:31 PM To: Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Mark, Thats a good and fair question. It also ties more into biology so Ill defer to Jim Kennedy to answer more authoritatively than I can as a hydrogeologist. However, in the comments I sent to the San Antonio City Council I pointed out that the high-density development is also over the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone. Such developments have been demonstrated to diminish the volume of water replenishing the regions primary water supply as well as having a much greater risk of degrading the quality of the water. While bats are getting the emphasis, this type of development is also bad for people who rely on the Edwards. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:15 PM To: George Veni; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Thanks for the interesting post, George. I do have one question, though, and I am NOT picking sides here: Whats the difference between houses 800 to 900 yards away from the Bracken Cave entrance and bats living under the Congress Street Bridge in Austin, smack dab in the middle of downtown Austin? The Austin colony seems to be functioning fine and thriving, may I say, growing? And the buildings (read high rises) are much closer than 800 to 900 yards. Just playing dumb here, so please dont advocate having me drawn and quartered and left in a pile of guano! Inquiring minds just want to know. Your thoughts? (Im ducking under a table now) Mark Alman (not Minton) J From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM To: Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave http://www.kens5.com/news/Bracken-Bat-Cave-vs-Crescent-Hills--208381441.html For more information and to learn how to help, go to http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/latest-news/714-save-bracken-cave-reserve.html?utm_campaign=educationutm_source=externalutm_medium=redirect. San Antonio City Council will meet to discuss and decide on this issue in one week. Sign the on-line petition but if you have time, remember that your letters and e-mails will have much greater impact, especially if received before the meeting on the 29th so the mayor, councilors, and their staff have time to read or at least review them. If you live in the San Antonio,
Re: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs?
Check out Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292718721/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1368489568sr=8-1keywords=bat+bomb Mike Lorimer San Antonio On 5/13/2013 12:01 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: You should read the book about Project X-Ray called the "Bat Bomb"... very interesting reading Bill... - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: texas cavers ; s...@caver.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs? Take a look at this: http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=4from=en-us_msnhp#/video/a028c91e-8f5e-43bf-a6a3-4fa70c9f4613 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs?
Check out Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292718721/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1368489568sr=8-1keywords=bat+bomb Mike Lorimer San Antonio On 5/13/2013 12:01 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: You should read the book about Project X-Ray called the "Bat Bomb"... very interesting reading Bill... - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: texas cavers ; s...@caver.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs? Take a look at this: http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=4from=en-us_msnhp#/video/a028c91e-8f5e-43bf-a6a3-4fa70c9f4613 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs?
Check out Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292718721/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1368489568sr=8-1keywords=bat+bomb Mike Lorimer San Antonio On 5/13/2013 12:01 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: You should read the book about Project X-Ray called the "Bat Bomb"... very interesting reading Bill... - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: texas cavers ; s...@caver.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [SWR] Curious about WWII bat bombs? Take a look at this: http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=4from=en-us_msnhp#/video/a028c91e-8f5e-43bf-a6a3-4fa70c9f4613 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Remembrance
One cold winter's evening in 1975 or was it 1976, the Las Cruces crowd from the Mesilla Valley Grotto were hanging out in my 1973 gas guzzling Dodge Tradesman van drinking beer. Tom asked to join us. Of course, he was welcomed and he climbed in and sat down behind the driver's seat. As host, I asked him if he would like a beer. Sadly, he shook his large head and said, No. Then I had an inspiration, Tom, would you like a milk? His eyes lit up and his mouth grew wide in a broad smile of anticipation and he gratefully replied, Yes. I would like a milk. I went out into the cold and rustled around in the cooler until I found it. I had remembered that we had brought with us a 4 ounce carton of milk. As I made my way to return to the van, I remembered that Tom used to down a whole gallon of milk for breakfast and I was afraid that my meager offering wouldn't be enough to satisfy him. When I returned to the warmth of the van, I placed that tiny vessel of milk in Tom's large outstretched hands. He was as pleased as if I had given him a whole gallon and he nursed that Lilliputian carton of milk for the rest of the evening as we laughed, talked about caving and our wonderful underground adventures. I do miss him. Mike Lorimer San Antonio, Texas On 4/3/2013 6:06 PM, Jim Evatt wrote: Those of you who remember Tom Meador, he would have been 70 today. Those of you who did not know him, you missed a special friend. Jim Evatt ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET . -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Remembrance
One cold winter's evening in 1975 or was it 1976, the Las Cruces crowd from the Mesilla Valley Grotto were hanging out in my 1973 gas guzzling Dodge Tradesman van drinking beer. Tom asked to join us. Of course, he was welcomed and he climbed in and sat down behind the driver's seat. As host, I asked him if he would like a beer. Sadly, he shook his large head and said, No. Then I had an inspiration, Tom, would you like a milk? His eyes lit up and his mouth grew wide in a broad smile of anticipation and he gratefully replied, Yes. I would like a milk. I went out into the cold and rustled around in the cooler until I found it. I had remembered that we had brought with us a 4 ounce carton of milk. As I made my way to return to the van, I remembered that Tom used to down a whole gallon of milk for breakfast and I was afraid that my meager offering wouldn't be enough to satisfy him. When I returned to the warmth of the van, I placed that tiny vessel of milk in Tom's large outstretched hands. He was as pleased as if I had given him a whole gallon and he nursed that Lilliputian carton of milk for the rest of the evening as we laughed, talked about caving and our wonderful underground adventures. I do miss him. Mike Lorimer San Antonio, Texas On 4/3/2013 6:06 PM, Jim Evatt wrote: Those of you who remember Tom Meador, he would have been 70 today. Those of you who did not know him, you missed a special friend. Jim Evatt ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET . -- Michael D. Lorimer 1826 Mount Joy Dr. San Antonio, TX 78232 575 644-1763 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[NMCAVER] Geronimo's Cave entrance was blasted!
Geronimo's cave is a small cave in the Robledo Mountains in Dona Ana County, New Mexico. Still it is the second longest (and maybe the largest cave) in the county. The story as I heard it, is that about a year (or more) ago, there was a great bang that came for the entrance of the cave. The person telling me the story said that a friend of hers heard the bang and looked up and saw a great cloud of dust and debris at the entrance of the cave. She said that the people who went up to the cave said that there was a crack that came from the entrance and went down to the river (possibly an erosion scar). The cave entrance was still open. Apparently according to the story that was told to me, one Leewayne Preece tried to blast the entrance shut because he was tired of people crossing his land to access the cave. There is a northernly access to the cave through what I believe is a locked gate (which according to the records of the Dona Ana Assessor's office cross the edge of Preece's land). There is another easterly access via crossing the Rio Grande that goes through BLM land and International Boundary Commission land ( a winter route when the river is low). I have cc'ed the BLM and they should take this matter very seriously as cave rescources in Dona Ana county are rare. Mike Lorimer Fort Selden, New Mexico ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] A WNS Idea
As far as the cause of White Nose Syndrome goes, is it possible that the cause is not so much a new or resistant fungus, but the lack of something or the death of something that consumes the fungus? Maybe there was a symbiotic mite or some other critter that eats a naturally occurring fungus and controls its growth? Maybe an insecticide carried by insecticide resistant insects that are consumed by the bats is killing off the mites (which are not resistant to insecticide)? Without the 'mites' the fungus grows unchecked. I submit this as food for thought. Maybe some person that is smarter than I am will either shoot it down or run with it. Mike Lorimer Las Cruces, NM ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
