Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
I'm publisher for another club (not caving related). We charge $10 per year for all single person memberships. We did all paper mailed newsletters until about 1 year ago. Used to send out all paper newsletters. Now we send out 18 paper copies and about 60 e-mailed PDF's. PDF's are in color, mailed copies are BW. Only club members can get the newsletter. The club above has VERY old members, so your PDF % is likely to be much higher. They also have tons of money, so financial losses due to mailings are not an issue. We really went to PDF because our copier broke. I would recommend only club members get the newsletter, but have a 2 tier pay system. Your mailings will go down drastically (I think), and your publisher (Mark) will be very happy. Mike Flannigan - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:30:48 -0500 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: ... Generally that cached copy is hidden away deep in some obscure system or program folder, but if you can find it, you can copy it. I used to to that with YouTube videos, which do not have an obvious mechanism for saving them. One way to find those obscure cahed files is to search for files based on date/time. If it's the last thing you did, it will generally be one of the last couple of files saved. Where there's a will, there's a way. :-) I could not have explained it better! Thanks for explaining and sharing. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:22:16 -0500 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: There is also some strange code at the top of the registration form:  (probably irrelevant).  Subliminal message. Translated: You will pay $20 and use electronic version. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
I have been chastised before on this matter but still think that a small increase in dues would be beneficial to the organization. I assume that the response will be that I am welcome to send in more if I choose. Fritz -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:48 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:22:16 -0500 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: There is also some strange code at the top of the registration form: (probably irrelevant). Subliminal message. Translated: You will pay $20 and use electronic version. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
Be careful what you wish for, Fritz!8^) Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:32 PM To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes I have been chastised before on this matter but still think that a small increase in dues would be beneficial to the organization. I assume that the response will be that I am welcome to send in more if I choose. Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
If it is to be increased, we should develop a methodology for future increases. Lets have the price held constant in real terms by having the normal price be determined by the CPI (consumer price index) and then round to the nearest dollar. That way, A) there wont be 20 years without a price increase robbing TSA of valuable funds B) It will be expected and understandable by cavers C) there wont ever need to have a price 'jump' My 2.0325 cents! -GP On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Be careful what you wish for, Fritz!8^) Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:32 PM To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes I have been chastised before on this matter but still think that a small increase in dues would be beneficial to the organization. I assume that the response will be that I am welcome to send in more if I choose. Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 gprichm...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!! - Bug fixes
George-Paul, Regardless of how the annual dues proposal is calculated, it still equates to a dues increase of which I am in favor. Fritz -Original Message- From: George-Paul Richmann [mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:43 PM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com Cc: Fritz Holt; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes If it is to be increased, we should develop a methodology for future increases. Lets have the price held constant in real terms by having the normal price be determined by the CPI (consumer price index) and then round to the nearest dollar. That way, A) there wont be 20 years without a price increase robbing TSA of valuable funds B) It will be expected and understandable by cavers C) there wont ever need to have a price 'jump' My 2.0325 cents! -GP On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Be careful what you wish for, Fritz!8^) Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:32 PM To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online - Bug fixes I have been chastised before on this matter but still think that a small increase in dues would be beneficial to the organization. I assume that the response will be that I am welcome to send in more if I choose. Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 gprichm...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:46:24 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: and both times it returned the page with the state blank and an error saying I needed to select a state. I kept mine blank and the registration went through without trouble. With the paper version, all issues you pay for are yours forever. No pun intented. But while viewing the online version of TC, you can always print it out of your own computer's printer and that printed copy can be yours forever. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
I see your point, Mark. Like you said, implementation may be another story. BTW, I just finished reading your and Matt's account in the NSS News of your historical trip to Mexico. Congrats and a very entertaining article! Mark A. From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] Sent: Thu 1/15/2009 1:46 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online Mark and Butch, Butch has added Darla and Denise as administrators and they will verify that you are a Member in Good Standing and will check this periodically. You will be notified if your dues are about to expire and will be unceremoniously kicked off if your dues are not renewed. In other words, No TC for you! (Seinfeld reference). While I wholeheartedly support electronic newsletters, I take exception to denying access to all past issues after one's membership lapses. All issues published while one was an active member should remain accessible to that person even after their membership expires. This is the biggest failing of many electronic journals, especially for libraries. With the paper version, all issues you pay for are yours forever. With the electronic version, one now has nothing if their membership lapses. It doesn't have to be that way, although I suspect it is considerably more complex to implement. Some electronic journals do indeed allow one continued access to all issues paid for, but no others. Texas Caver should be the same. Please consider revising your policy so that we get to keep access to what we pay for. Thanks, Mark Minton - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:50:25 -0800 l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: With the paper version, all issues you pay for are yours forever. No pun intented. I meant intenDed But while viewing the online version of TC, you can always print it out of your own computer's printer and that printed copy can be yours forever. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that sort of defeats the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one doesn't use up a lot of paper. Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I never thought about it. But that's actually a secondary reason for having electronic copies. The primary reason was to save the TSA some money. Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages would be nice! -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
Yes, they're all PDF. Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:11 PM To: mmin...@nmhu.edu Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that sort of defeats the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one doesn't use up a lot of paper. Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I never thought about it. But that's actually a secondary reason for having electronic copies. The primary reason was to save the TSA some money. Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages would be nice! -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca, mmin...@nmhu.edu Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:22 PM Yes, they're all PDF. Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:11 PM To: mmin...@nmhu.edu Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that sort of defeats the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one doesn't use up a lot of paper. Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I never thought about it. But that's actually a secondary reason for having electronic copies. The primary reason was to save the TSA some money. Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages would be nice! -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
