Re: [ot_caving] Gas mileage.

2008-07-21 Thread David
Both Volkswagen and Mitsubishi had a small diesel truck back around
1984. Mitsu's was available with real 4x4.They were hard to
find.   Does anybody know somebody who owned one?

I believe they had a reputation for being slow, un-reliable and noisy.
You certainly don't see them around anymore.   I thought the diesel was
supposed to last 500,000 miles if you took care of it?

I am glad I don't own a diesel.I saw a pump 2 weeks ago that was $ 5
a gallon.

Jim McLane owns 2 diesel 4x4 SUV's.  A rare International Harvester
Scout 2.   The other is a giant Seismic Truck, that I think he drove to
the
1964 Texas NSS Convention.   That truck should be parked at a caver site
somewhere and used as a flower garden decoration.   I think that
is what Jim has been using it for the last 10 years or so.

David


Re: [ot_caving] Gas mileage.

2008-07-21 Thread Terry Holsinger
VW Diesels have been on the US roads since about 1981 and getting around 
40-45mpg the whole time. They have not been popular with the masses 
mostly because they are diesels (i.e. they smell, are noisy, vibrate, 
hard to find fuel, cost more, and are slow). In the recent years VW (and 
Daimler) have come out with electronic injection for these cars and they 
have seen good improvements on the acceleration end of non-turbo 
versions of these cars (and trucks) as well as improvements in 
emissions. The noise and vibration has been fixed (as it has in many 
newer cars and trucks) by general improvements in automotive built quality.


As for caver folks driving these diesels, here in Austin, Walt Olneck 
drives an old 80's VW Rabbit, one of the San Antonio caver's has a new 
Passat station wagon.


Also one of my relatives living in California has a diesel motor home 
(slide out wall and such) by Daimler and is getting just over 30 mpg in 
it, of course it does not have the over sized diesel like is found in US 
built trucks.


Terry H.

Fritz Holt wrote:

I am switching this string to OT as Bill Steele reminded that it is a stretch 
to consider this topic caving related.

The linear savings is a little deep for me but there may be a non-hybrid car 
or two that averages 40 mpg city and highway.
I seem to have read recently that VW produced a small sedan, I believe a Jetta, 
with a small diesel engine that averaged at least 40mpg. How about it, David, 
am I remembering correctly? I don't consider a Smart for two a real automobile.
Fritz




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Re: [ot_caving] Gas mileage.

2008-07-21 Thread Don Cooper
Has anyone else suspended their disbelief long enough to look into some of
this Water For Fuel business?
The last one I looked at talked about 'using your battery to seperate the
water into HHO which is THREE times more powerful than gasoline'
I mean - I've been told I shoot ideas down before trying them - (physics
classes aside) but does anyone actually believe you can get a net gain from
recombining H2 and O after applying the energy to split them apart?  Is this
recombination in concert with gasoline supposed to make it feasible?
I've even seen news reports about 'some great new inventor'  using water for
fuel.  I think these reporters are amazingly not smart and gullible.
I'd like to see some response to what others think about this hooey...
-WaV

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote:

 VW Diesels have been on the US roads since about 1981 and getting around
 40-45mpg the whole time. They have not been popular with the masses mostly
 because they are diesels (i.e. they smell, are noisy, vibrate, hard to find
 fuel, cost more, and are slow). In the recent years VW (and Daimler) have
 come out with electronic injection for these cars and they have seen good
 improvements on the acceleration end of non-turbo versions of these cars
 (and trucks) as well as improvements in emissions. The noise and vibration
 has been fixed (as it has in many newer cars and trucks) by general
 improvements in automotive built quality.

 As for caver folks driving these diesels, here in Austin, Walt Olneck
 drives an old 80's VW Rabbit, one of the San Antonio caver's has a new
 Passat station wagon.

 Also one of my relatives living in California has a diesel motor home
 (slide out wall and such) by Daimler and is getting just over 30 mpg in it,
 of course it does not have the over sized diesel like is found in US built
 trucks.

 Terry H.


 Fritz Holt wrote:

 I am switching this string to OT as Bill Steele reminded that it is a
 stretch to consider this topic caving related.

 The linear savings is a little deep for me but there may be a non-hybrid
 car or two that averages 40 mpg city and highway.
 I seem to have read recently that VW produced a small sedan, I believe a
 Jetta, with a small diesel engine that averaged at least 40mpg. How about
 it, David, am I remembering correctly? I don't consider a Smart for two a
 real automobile.
 Fritz



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Re: [ot_caving] Gas mileage.

2008-07-21 Thread Don Cooper
I think this is CRAP, but apparently not everyone thinks so -
http://www.gas4freebonus.com/?id=G5888003
-WaV

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone else suspended their disbelief long enough to look into some
 of this Water For Fuel business?