[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[Jason]

Wow, thanks FND and Eric for your replies.

FND, your link
> http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Future_Proof
was very helpful. Adresses exactly my concerns and remediates all of
them.
There is also a link to an earlier discussion on "how long will a TW
last" (http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/
883f1049c8f26cfd/786f18bedc455d61?#786f18bedc455d61) which I had not
noticed earlier and include here for the sake of completeness.

Eric,
coincidentally I stumbled across TW when I checked out Lisi's site
(which is indeed very impressive) in the first place. Otherwise I
would still not have heard about TW.

Thanks for all your thoughts and recommendations. I think I am
convinced now.
Kind regards,
Jason
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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Jason wrote:

> That said I am very much tempted to jump at TW completely. But of
> course I want to be able to use everything I write down in TW also in
> the not-so-near future. So my questions are:
> * Is there anything that stands in the way  of using TW as a some kind
> of long-term (say at least ten years) knowledge database?
> * In particular does anyone have enough insight into the inner
> workings of TW to tell me whether changes in the workings of for
> example browsers or software standards (HTML of javascript) might
> threaten TW in the future.
> * Do you think TW has a large enough user base to persist for the next
> ten years?
> * Is the structure of TW content simple and universal enough that it
> can be integrated in other kinds of wikis or "knowledge databases"
> that might come up in the future?

As a physics student, Jason, you might want to check out Garrett  
Lisi's use of TiddlyWiki:
http://deferentialgeometry.org/

And here is a video of a Lisi presentation in which he gets into a  
conversation about TiddlyWiki with members of the audience.
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/09/lisi-on-a-wiki.html

And in harvesting the link to the video I discovered a link on the  
page to still another video of a talk Lisi gave explicitly on  
TiddlyWiki. It's fascinating, and I suspect you'll find it answers  
many of your questions.
http://pirsa.org/08090057/

I sniffed around TiddlyWiki like a coyote around a baited trap for  
probably a year or more before committing to it wholeheartedly. What  
made the difference for me was discovering the power of taggly  
tagging. With it I found I could start my thinking and note taking on  
a topic with an initial sense of the structure of the project, then  
allow it to evolve as my understanding of the topic changed as I  
worked on it. I didn't have to have a fixed, or even a very clear,  
idea of the structure in starting out.

Since then I've found a few plugins that are especially helpful to me,  
and a TiddlyWiki adaptation that had a lot of what I was looking for  
in a TiddlyWiki. That is TWT-Blackicity 
. [Actually, I use TWT-Blackicity-lite 
 >

Welcome to TiddlyWiki,
--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net





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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[FND]

> There are a lot of things I like about TW and consider essential for
> its note-taking/documentation capability: [...]

That's a nice list - someone should record that somewhere...

> of course I want to be able to use everything I write down in TW also
> in the not-so-near future

Take a look here:
 http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Future_Proof


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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[Eric Weir]

On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:59 PM, IainS wrote:

> I have some problems printing my TW and to use the information in a
> report I have to cut and paste into Word and then format it.

You should check out ExportTiddlersPllugin, Ian. I use it all the time  
to export text from tiddlers for processing with other applications,  
primarily for editing and formatting collections of notes on a topic  
or theme in a word processor.
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ExportTiddlersPlugin

Regards,
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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[AlanBCohen]

You can also open any TW file in a text editor or text file viewer and
copy/paste the data tiddlers information to any future application; it
is not in any proprietary format.  I go across several OS' without any
problem, so you are protected there as well.
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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[Jason]

Thanks for your comments.

Mark, you're of course right. It's hard to foresee what is coming up
in the next decade. Nevertheless I guess (without really knowing much
about it) that some kind of html and javascript will continue to exist
for the next decade. What I would like to know is whether TW is
flexible enough to adapt to some (maybe small) changes in current
standards.

lainS, having an empty backup is a good idea, thanks.
For printing I use the excellent SnapShotPlugin (http://
www.tiddlytools.com/#SnapshotPlugin).

Jason
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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[Mark S.]

At the rate current technology is changing, who can say what
technologies will be viable in another decade for javascript,
browsing, or even operating systems? I don't think there is a single
application that you could latch onto and be guaranteed that it will
still be here 10 years from now.

That said, the data in TW is stored between  tags, and can be
exported into XML format. Which means that if it ever looks like TW is
about to be abandoned, for whatever reason, its likely that you'll be
able to get the data out in some format that can then be picked up by
whatever will be the current best-selling knowledge manager.

Hopefully as computer speed and memory increase, the current
limitations of TW should actually be less severe.

As a side comment, if there's a latex to RTF converter, then maybe
Jason's approach could help lainS with his cut/paste/format/paste
regimen.

Mark

On Aug 9, 3:59 pm, IainS  wrote:
> Jason,
>
> I am using it for that purpose using a version of
> TW-Notes with plugins to cover footnotes, annotations
> and images. It seems to me that you can built your
> own TW for notes...etc and then keep using it forever
> (although a backup empty version would be useful in
> case you corrupt your original).
>
> Size might be an issue over time.
>
> I have some problems printing my TW and to use the
> information in a report I have to cut and paste into
> Word and then format it.
>


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[tw] Re: TW as a long-term solution for (research) notes and documentation

[IainS]

Jason,

I am using it for that purpose using a version of TW-Notes with
plugins to cover footnotes, annotations and images. It seems to me
that you can built your own TW for notes...etc and then keep using it
forever (although a backup empty version would be useful in case you
corrupt your original).

Size might be an issue over time.

I have some problems printing my TW and to use the information in a
report I have to cut and paste into Word and then format it.

I'd be interested to see what other users say.

Iain





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