Topband: Fw: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests
Ham radio, like life in general, is evolving. With a lot of technology change, it's a good time to breath some fresh air and let it jell out. E30FB did work a few NA, but only on signal peaks. Other wise they had problems receiving in deep QRM. (Even VE1ZZ had to repeat his call). 73 Bruce-K1FZ www.qsl.net/k1fz/pennantnotes.html . Although I am not really a DXer, I happened upon the E30 on 1811 with a very strong signal. There was a huge pileup of USA calling, including me. He worked just a couple of EU stations, and no USA that I could tell. It occurred to me he should just dial into to a Web SDR and listen. But that is not a pure radio QSO If he has local noise they need to figure out a way to hear on site. Or maybe not... I am so confused. 73, Andy N2NT On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Kris Mraz n5kilom...@gmail.com wrote: CQWW used to have the Xtreme category that allowed/encouraged remote internet stations. Seems like that's the place for those who want to use remote receivers. I haven't kept up with that category but I believe it was dropped in 2013. Kris, N5KM _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Jim, I take no side (yet) on this issue but RHR has changed that game. If you can't afford to build the remote station, you can easily rent a station for any contest and use it. That is entirely within the rules as they exist today. 73, Andy N2NT On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On Tue,3/17/2015 10:10 AM, Art Snapper wrote: The easiest answer IMHO, is to drop any distinction between a receiver and transmitter. In other words, if you are going to remote a receiver, you might as well remote the whole station. Remoting an entire station (TX/RX) is far more complex, and also far more invasive. It may, for example, be possible to get permission from a land owner for a couple of Beverages, but not for a full size TX antenna. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fw: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests
On Tue,3/17/2015 10:10 AM, Art Snapper wrote: The easiest answer IMHO, is to drop any distinction between a receiver and transmitter. In other words, if you are going to remote a receiver, you might as well remote the whole station. Remoting an entire station (TX/RX) is far more complex, and also far more invasive. It may, for example, be possible to get permission from a land owner for a couple of Beverages, but not for a full size TX antenna. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fw: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests
Xtreme category, where have I heard that term? Classical 160 meter operating involves real estate and the expenditure of lots of money or time for effective transmitting and receiving antenna systems and amplifiers. This is accomplished mostly by old men with lots of spending money and time on their hands, kind of like the Olympic games. How can younger people or those without the resources participate in these endeavors? They came up with the X-games instead of the Olympics. Hams are starting to use the newer technology to enhance their radio experience. I am one of those old men how is presently busy with work but retirement is on the horizon. I have an acre property now but my wife and I will probably downsize once our mixing product leaves the nest. If you asked me a decade ago I would preach the classical operator model but now I will take advantage of the new technology to allow me to operate in the future. Both methods have to co-exist or else the hobby will die. They should have additional categories for remote receiving or operating in contests and awards chasing. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: k1fz k...@myfairpoint.net snip Ham radio, like life in general, is evolving. With a lot of technology change, it's a good time to breath some fresh air and let it jell out. snip 73 Bruce-K1FZ snip On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Kris Mraz n5kilom...@gmail.com wrote: CQWW used to have the Xtreme category that allowed/encouraged remote internet stations. Seems like that's the place for those who want to use remote receivers. I haven't kept up with that category but I believe it was dropped in 2013. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fw: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests
Hey Mike, This is why we work hard all our lives, so we can earn enough to do this. I, too, was on a small city lot most of my life. Noe I'm not (earned it). Dave, W5UN On 3/17/2015 4:44 PM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Xtreme category, where have I heard that term? Classical 160 meter operating involves real estate and the expenditure of lots of money or time for effective transmitting and receiving antenna systems and amplifiers. This is accomplished mostly by old men with lots of spending money and time on their hands, kind of like the Olympic games. How can younger people or those without the resources participate in these endeavors? They came up with the X-games instead of the Olympics. Hams are starting to use the newer technology to enhance their radio experience. I am one of those old men how is presently busy with work but retirement is on the horizon. I have an acre property now but my wife and I will probably downsize once our mixing product leaves the nest. If you asked me a decade ago I would preach the classical operator model but now I will take advantage of the new technology to allow me to operate in the future. Both methods have to co-exist or else the hobby will die. They should have additional categories for remote receiving or operating in contests and awards chasing. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: k1fz k...@myfairpoint.net snip Ham radio, like life in general, is evolving. With a lot of technology change, it's a good time to breath some fresh air and let it jell out. snip 73 Bruce-K1FZ snip On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Kris Mraz n5kilom...@gmail.com wrote: CQWW used to have the Xtreme category that allowed/encouraged remote internet stations. Seems like that's the place for those who want to use remote receivers. I haven't kept up with that category but I believe it was dropped in 2013. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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The easiest answer IMHO, is to drop any distinction between a receiver and transmitter. In other words, if you are going to remote a receiver, you might as well remote the whole station. Art On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un w...@wt.net wrote: Hey Mike, This is why we work hard all our lives, so we can earn enough to do this. I, too, was on a small city lot most of my life. Noe I'm not (earned it). Dave, W5UN On 3/17/2015 4:44 PM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Xtreme category, where have I heard that term? Classical 160 meter operating involves real estate and the expenditure of lots of money or time for effective transmitting and receiving antenna systems and amplifiers. This is accomplished mostly by old men with lots of spending money and time on their hands, kind of like the Olympic games. How can younger people or those without the resources participate in these endeavors? They came up with the X-games instead of the Olympics. Hams are starting to use the newer technology to enhance their radio experience. I am one of those old men how is presently busy with work but retirement is on the horizon. I have an acre property now but my wife and I will probably downsize once our mixing product leaves the nest. If you asked me a decade ago I would preach the classical operator model but now I will take advantage of the new technology to allow me to operate in the future. Both methods have to co-exist or else the hobby will die. They should have additional categories for remote receiving or operating in contests and awards chasing. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: k1fz k...@myfairpoint.net snip Ham radio, like life in general, is evolving. With a lot of technology change, it's a good time to breath some fresh air and let it jell out. snip 73 Bruce-K1FZ snip On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Kris Mraz n5kilom...@gmail.com wrote: CQWW used to have the Xtreme category that allowed/encouraged remote internet stations. Seems like that's the place for those who want to use remote receivers. I haven't kept up with that category but I believe it was dropped in 2013. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fw: Use of Remote Receivers During 160 Meter Contests
On Tue,3/17/2015 9:44 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote: Classical 160 meter operating involves real estate and the expenditure of lots of money or time for effective transmitting and receiving antenna systems and amplifiers. This is accomplished mostly by old men with lots of spending money and time on their hands, kind of like the Olympic games. Exactly right. How can younger people or those without the resources participate in these endeavors? They came up with the X-games instead of the Olympics. Hams are starting to use the newer technology to enhance their radio experience. I am one of those old men how is presently busy with work but retirement is on the horizon. I have an acre property now but my wife and I will probably downsize once our mixing product leaves the nest. If you asked me a decade ago I would preach the classical operator model but now I will take advantage of the new technology to allow me to operate in the future. Both methods have to co-exist or else the hobby will die. They should have additional categories for remote receiving or operating in contests and awards chasing. Exactly right again. As an OT, ham since age 14 (1955), I'm about ten years ahead of you in the retirement game, with 8 acres of woods. I'm limited in what I can work by the RX noise of distant stations, and even here, with my nearest neighbors 500 ft from my antennas, I'm increasingly limited by their noise. I've got grow lights to the NE (EU) and a big solar installation at the border of my property (SE). Any model for the future that does not allow Joe Ham to somehow escape his increasingly noisy RF environment WILL lead to death of the hobby. The key is to make the rule(s) reasonable for reasonable people. The Stew Perry rule seems to be in the ballpark for individual contesters. I fully appreciate the technical challenges for multi-ops, and agree that for contest stations, TX and RX ought to be limited to a single site. And I strongly support remotely operated multi-ops, such as the recent operation that began this discussion a month or so ago, and that they ought to be treated as any other multi-op. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
