Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Who could tell me the reason that the SBT doesn't support the East Asian Scripts?
I am curious about the difference between using Font Replacer and the Google android fonts workaround to display Chinese characters. I've been using the Google Android fonts method. The font looks nice and everything, but I've find upgrading squeezebox touch to be problematic. Occasionally, after the upgrade, the screen would come up blank, unless I do a factory default. This wipes out the Android font and I have to find the instructions and re-do it again. Does Font Replacer works the same way as the android font method? It's info seems to indicate it won't replace the UI font, so I am curious how exactly it works. Thanks. wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95811 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat rating with remote on Touch
I am also having the same problem, rating doesn't work on the Touch when holding down the number botton. My guess is the Touch is handling the keypress, you see the image wobbles a bit and a beep to indicate the key press has been received, but rejected. It probably didn't pass the keypress to the Server which would trigger TrackStat. On the SBv3, it probably passed 'unknown' keypress back to the server. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81237 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles
Pardon my ignorance. Are we saying with a low-end power-cord, the Touch can potentially output the wrong 0s and 1s? Or are we talking about amplifiers/receivers? Are there checksums in the SPDIF signal? What happens IF some of the 1s and 0s do get flipped? For video, since the signal is compressed, I am thinking a wrong bit will invalidate a whole section, so you will likely see some artifacts on screen. Not sure what happens to audio. I guess I can just hexedit a wav file and see what happens.. ;) -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78938 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch firmware update bricked unit?
This morning I power cycled the Touch (to activate the Android font I installed for Chinese text that was wiped out by the reset). When it boots up, I was again greeted with a blank screen, right before where the intro sound was supposed to play. This time, knowing better, I simply touched the screen, and it showed a clock with a power icon in the top left corner. The clock is not the same clock with dates that you see when you power off the unit, but just a simple time in the middle of the screen. I can reproduce it this way: 1) remove the power from the touch 2) re-insert the power into the unit 3) the unit will go through the power-up sequence 4) right after it shows the free your music (and the screen brightness changes a bit to reflect the light sensor functioning?), but before it starts to play the intro music, the display goes blank. Press the power on the remote does not seem to do anything. Display remains blank. 5) touch the screen, and you'll see a clock w/ power icon on the top. Press the power icon, and touch will go into the standard menu screen. I think it's the blank screen in #4 that throw me off initially and I thought the unit was bricked since it does not respond to the remote. Holding the reset button will trigger a factory default, and it does boot up all the way with the intro sound playing. However power cycle the unit and it will boot back into the blank screen. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81836 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch firmware update bricked unit?
Ran into another issue with this release. After reset, connected back to squeezenetwork. I pressed now playing, it shows the album art and song that I was playing (pandora?) before the update. I navigated away and tried to play a new pandora station, the music played, but the screen never updated, always showing 'stopped' and the old album art, after several new songs!! Finally decided to power cycle the unit by pulling the power cord. It rebooted, but I am faced with the dreaded black screen again. Then I touched the screen, and actually the power button appeared on screen (just the power button), press it and the LCD turned back on. All these happened AFTER I re-applied the firmware upgrade yesterday: 1) reset unit via reset button 2) re-apply firmware upgrade (r9009) 3) reset unit again Seeing these things after I applied firmware using the above steps tells me this firmware version is not thoroughly tested. sigh -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81836 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch firmware update bricked unit?
This evening when I turned on the Touch, it prompted me for a firmware update. It had 7.5.1, and the new firmware is also 7.5.1, but with a different build? (don't remember the build number, 9xxx). The Touch was running from the internet (not connected to local SC) So I selected update, and after about 20 minutes went back to check on it, it displayed a black screen. no response from any keystrokes. Tried a power cycle by unplugging, it boots up to the screen that says free your music, then blank screen.. Did the update just bricked the unit??? Is there something I can do to recover the device? Please help! -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81836 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch firmware update bricked unit?
Ah, that did the trick! Thanks. Wondering what happened. Next time I'll reset, then flash, then reset. ;) -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81836 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch feels sluggish at times
I installed SC on my computer, and the Touch did respond much faster and I experienced no slow down. I do think that some of the slowness I experienced with the SB when running off a SC from a slow system can be improved significantly. For example, when I press 'shuffle', 'repeat', or do volume adjustment, the reason it feels very sluggish is because the UI is not asynchronous. The UI only seems to get updated after the SB gets a response back from SC. This is not a good design from UI perspective. If it takes a long time to get an ACK from SC, then the UI would freeze. This can be improved significantly by having the UI in the SB reflect immediately the user selection, and in the background communicate the request to the server. This leaves room for optimization such as command queuing as well. For example, if the user presses shuffles a few times (to make sure he picks the one he really wants since it's just an icon representation), the SB only needs to send the end state, not every state change. In practical terms, the box has until the end of the current song to communicate this with the server, this could be minutes so should be plenty of time for this. When the SB is originally designed, I guess it's very expensive to put a lot of computing power on the box, so the server end up doing everything and the box only have very primitive capabilities. Now that the SB Touch runs Linux with the SC in it, why not implement a standalone mode where the SB Touch simply interfaces with a storage by reading the file directly (local or in a NAS)? Only a small subset of the SC capabilities needs to be implemented. This would free up the need to run a PC with SC 24x7 for many people. (sort of like the WDTV media player but with slightly more capability for music, playlist, shuffle, repeat, etc..) Incorporating SC into the device is a better business decision. IMHO implement a good standalone mode is a better technical option. It can basically eliminate some of the advantage of the Sonos system if reasonable amount of thoughts and works went into it. I think the current hardware is fully capable of doing this, probably a lot faster than running the SC within the Touch. Heck why not add DLNA support as well? Basically if you want the original/real SB experience, run a computer with SC on it. On the other hand if you just want basic music playback capability, run it in standalone mode. It can read music from either a NAS location, or the SD card. How is the performance with the build-in SC in the Touch? I didn't test it because the device seems to have no memory left even without starting the SC service (128mb ram). -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81089 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch feels sluggish at times
Mnyb;570388 Wrote: Shuffle is sadly a very demanding task for the server when you have a Touch. it just not a list of files it's probably caching all kind of artwork and doing some real dB operations in the background. Shuffling a 200 song playlist, especially press shuffle multiple times ! would freeze an 1,2gHz machine . Very interesting. I also noticed it's responding slower than my SBC at times. When I press 'play' in shuffle mode from a folder containing list of CD folders, it is very fast on my 8 year old P4 system, the song would start to play with a 1 or 2 second delay. But it is really slow (like takes a minute) on the NAS. This is annoying but a one time delay and I can live with that. When I press 'repeat', or 'shuffle' when a song is playing, the UI should immediately reflect the new status, regardless of the actual server communication state. With SC on the NAS, sometimes it takes what seems to be like 10 seconds before the UI will update the repeat/shuffle icon. I feel like this can be improved even with a slow SC. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81089 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch feels sluggish at times
Thanks everyone for the input. It could be the NAS. I am using a ReadyNas Duo. I will try it with a server running on my computer this weekend and report back my findings. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81089 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch feels sluggish at times
So I had the squeezebox for a few days. While the touch screen and larger display is very cool and a nice step up from the classic squeezebox that I also own, the device does not seem to be quite at the same level in terms of feature robustness as the classic squeezebox. The device feels a bit sluggish in many places. It feels more like a computer rather than a dedicated audio device. My SB network is fully wired, no wireless, running off of a gigabit HP switch. My SC is running on a ReadyNas with 1G of memory. Here are my thoughts and findings in no particular order. 1) In synchronized mode (Touch plus the Classic), volume adjustment can responds very slowly. This is the case despite the volume setting being non-synchronized between the two devices. When I first tested synchronized mode, one of the room's volume is too loud (SB Classic), so used the volume button on the remote to lower it. For the first 5 seconds or so, the volume adjustment on the Classic responded very very slowly (this never happens in standalone mode). After maybe 10 second, the respond time is normal again. 2) The next song starts to play when the count down timer is at -2 or -1. This happens with both Pandora or my own music library. On the classic this is dead accurate. How did this get past QA? ;) 3) The device responds very slowly in some situations. Switching from Pandora to a song on my SC occasionally is VERY VERY slow. Sometimes it seems to be in the order of 10 seconds or so before the song will actually start to play (not every time..) After I navigate to my song (.flac), and press play, the display switch back to the current song display, still showing the Pandora information (why not clear it since this is confusing), and then silent. After what seems like an eternity, the song will eventually start to play. Similar delay is observed when I press repeat. Sometimes the display will update showing the repeat info only after 4-5 seconds! 4) Again related to switching from Pandora to my music library. When I go to browse music folder, sometimes the device would just fail to connect to my SC and ask me to try again. I never experienced this type of delay and sluggishness when I am using the SB Classic. Not sure if this is due to the use of synchronized mode (the other SB is OFF). 5) I really think there ought to be a 'reboot/restart' option in the menu (or perhaps just a shutdown). Maybe it will clear out some of the sluggishness (like my smartphone). 6) I really like the new screen and be able to see the album art of whatever song Pandora is playing. The touch feature is useful, but I would've preferred a LARGER screen over a smaller one with touch capability. In this day and age with the ipad and what have you, the touch's screen just feels small, especially if you are at any distance from it. The default play info screen also doesn't make good use of the screen real estate. Why are there static title bar at the top/bottom of the screen taking up precious screen space? How about one where the album art enlarges to take up the entire left side, and the rest of the stuff (info, timer, etc) stays on the right? The controls such as stop, next, etc, can pop up on demand when the user touches the device. There's no point for these things to clutter up the screen. 7) In case anyone is curious, the capacitive touch screen is not the same kind as the one used on iphone/ipad. It actually bends slightly when pressed, like my garmin gps. The response is fine, but just isn't as glass like as the ipad/iphone's touch screen. 8) The Touch is more angeled upward compare to the SB Classic. I wish it was the same. I had to put some business cards behind the touch to have the screen be more vertical. This is more of a personal preference I guess, as I have the Touch on top of my speaker, rather than the stand where the TV sits at a lower position. Anyone know what OS the Classic SB uses? I know the Touch uses Linux as I've logged in and replaced the default fonts with Android fonts to support Chinese. The sluggishness feels like a slow computer or inadequate memory, like running Windows on an underpowered PC. Not the kind of response you get from a dedicated audio device. My WDTV Live never responds this slowly. Ok, to be fair, most of the time, the interaction is fine and feels snappy. But for a few operations that does matter a lot, like play music, it can be extremely slow and annoying. (With a crying baby wanting to hear her favorite music, I really don't have the patience to explain to her or my wife why the SB is not playing the music 10 seconds after I pressed play. ;) -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81089 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] automatic brightness not working when light is completely off
I think I have a theory upon further testing. When there are some light in the room, ie, when the door is not fully closed, it works correctly. But as soon as the door is completely closed, and the room goes dark, the brightness level on the Touch jumps. My theory is, the light sensor is returning an 'unexpected' (or untested) value when the room is completely dark, and as a result, the device displays a default level. This unexpected value may be an 'error', since no light is received, or simply a level outside of what the touch is expecting. If so, the fix would be really simple. Update the default, or handle the case correctly. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80964 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] automatic brightness not working when light is completely off
Thank you for the reply. I am using 7.5.1-r8837. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80964 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Current Playlist Nothing...
I also get this on my Touch (7.5.1-r8837). It doesn't work if I select the specific track and press play (.flac with Chinese filenames), I'll get an empty playlist, and the large Play icon that shows up momentarily does not show. However it does work if I press 'play' on the folder. I can't reproduce this issue on English files. So I am thinking it is related to the filename or something not being completely ASCII. I hope this is fixed soon.. -- wildgoose wildgoose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80797 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
