Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Hello List, I am quite sorry for my attitude. I will look more thoroughly into the search results. Thanks for the link to Epik. I had found this, but I didn't realize that it was Python. I apologize once again, and thank you for your help. I did give you a link to a sandbox game (powdertoy.co.uk) as an example of what I wanted, but that must not have been delivered properly. My Apologies, The Defenestrator ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
P.S.: I also would like to say that I am a noob at Python, Pygame, and the list. I'll try not to post more stupid questions, though. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On 2/6/2012 9:13 AM, Nate Lastname wrote: Hello List, I am quite sorry for my attitude. I will look more thoroughly into the search results. Thanks for the link to Epik. I had found this, but I didn't realize that it was Python. I apologize once again, and thank you for your help. I did give you a link to a sandbox game (powdertoy.co.uk http://powdertoy.co.uk) as an example of what I wanted, but that must not have been delivered properly. The link came thru fine. I expected some description of the game rather than having to download something. I am reluctant todownload unknowns. I even tried the Play Online and got to another messy connfusing site, Could you give an overview of the game? -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On 2/6/2012 9:16 AM, Nate Lastname wrote: P.S.: I also would like to say that I am a noob at Python, Pygame, and the list. I'll try not to post more stupid questions, though. We are here to help the newcomers. Questions are not stupid. The easier you make it for us to answer the more likely you are to get answers. We volunteer our time to help you; we are not paid money for our service. -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Hey all, The basic idea is that there are different types of sand. They fall and move (or don't, if they are solid) and interact with each other in different ways. I.E.; there is a lava type; it falls, and when it hits other sand types, it heats them up. If it gets cold, it becomes sand. I don't want to copy the game, I want to make my own to play around with Py(thon/game). Thanks for your help! -- My Blog - Defenestration Coding http://defenestrationcoding.wordpress.com/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On 2/6/2012 11:16 AM, Nate Lastname wrote: Hey all, The basic idea is that there are different types of sand. They fall and move (or don't, if they are solid) and interact with each other in different ways. I.E.; there is a lava type; it falls, and when it hits other sand types, it heats them up. If it gets cold, it becomes sand. Thanks for a top-level overview. I have no practical experience with game /programming /, just some general concepts which I offer here, and leave it to others to assist. You might add more specifics - do you want a graphics display? User interaction? Anything you add to your description helps us and helps you move to your goal. I suggest you start simple, get something working then add another feature. Simple? Could be as simple as 1 grain falling till it hits bottom. Does it have an initial velocity? Does it accelerate under the pull of gravity? Velocity means speed and direction. What happens when it hits bottom? Then add a 2nd grain. What happens if the 2 collide? What is your update rate (how often do you recompute the positions of all the grains)? What is the smallest increment of position change? I assume you will create a class for each type of sand grain. with relevant properties and methods. You will need a program that runs in a loop (probably with a sleep) to - update positions and velocities of each grain (by invoking class methods) - detect and manage collisions - display each grain (by invoking class methods) If you are using a graphics package I assume you will have a canvas on which you will draw some kind of object to represent a particular class of grain at the current x,y(,z?) coordinates of each grain. It is possible to change the base class of an object on-the-fly, so a lava drop could become a sand grain. That's all for now. Good coding! I don't want to copy the game Is there a Python version out there? , I want to make my own to play around with Py(thon/game). -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Some more info: It's in pygame. It's 2d. I cannot find any python versions out there. Yes, there is a graphical interface, and yes, it is a user-controlled game. Thank you all for your help! The Defenestrator On 2/6/12, bob gailer bgai...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/6/2012 11:16 AM, Nate Lastname wrote: Hey all, The basic idea is that there are different types of sand. They fall and move (or don't, if they are solid) and interact with each other in different ways. I.E.; there is a lava type; it falls, and when it hits other sand types, it heats them up. If it gets cold, it becomes sand. Thanks for a top-level overview. I have no practical experience with game /programming /, just some general concepts which I offer here, and leave it to others to assist. You might add more specifics - do you want a graphics display? User interaction? Anything you add to your description helps us and helps you move to your goal. I suggest you start simple, get something working then add another feature. Simple? Could be as simple as 1 grain falling till it hits bottom. Does it have an initial velocity? Does it accelerate under the pull of gravity? Velocity means speed and direction. What happens when it hits bottom? Then add a 2nd grain. What happens if the 2 collide? What is your update rate (how often do you recompute the positions of all the grains)? What is the smallest increment of position change? I assume you will create a class for each type of sand grain. with relevant properties and methods. You will need a program that runs in a loop (probably with a sleep) to - update positions and velocities of each grain (by invoking class methods) - detect and manage collisions - display each grain (by invoking class methods) If you are using a graphics package I assume you will have a canvas on which you will draw some kind of object to represent a particular class of grain at the current x,y(,z?) coordinates of each grain. It is possible to change the base class of an object on-the-fly, so a lava drop could become a sand grain. That's all for now. Good coding! I don't want to copy the game Is there a Python version out there? , I want to make my own to play around with Py(thon/game). -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC -- My Blog - Defenestration Coding http://defenestrationcoding.wordpress.com/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Hold on... I just found one! It's not ideal, but it will work at least for a base - http://www.pygame.org/project-pysand-1387-2577.html. Thanks again, all, for your excellent help! The Defenestrator On 2/6/12, Nate Lastname defens...@gmail.com wrote: Some more info: It's in pygame. It's 2d. I cannot find any python versions out there. Yes, there is a graphical interface, and yes, it is a user-controlled game. Thank you all for your help! The Defenestrator On 2/6/12, bob gailer bgai...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/6/2012 11:16 AM, Nate Lastname wrote: Hey all, The basic idea is that there are different types of sand. They fall and move (or don't, if they are solid) and interact with each other in different ways. I.E.; there is a lava type; it falls, and when it hits other sand types, it heats them up. If it gets cold, it becomes sand. Thanks for a top-level overview. I have no practical experience with game /programming /, just some general concepts which I offer here, and leave it to others to assist. You might add more specifics - do you want a graphics display? User interaction? Anything you add to your description helps us and helps you move to your goal. I suggest you start simple, get something working then add another feature. Simple? Could be as simple as 1 grain falling till it hits bottom. Does it have an initial velocity? Does it accelerate under the pull of gravity? Velocity means speed and direction. What happens when it hits bottom? Then add a 2nd grain. What happens if the 2 collide? What is your update rate (how often do you recompute the positions of all the grains)? What is the smallest increment of position change? I assume you will create a class for each type of sand grain. with relevant properties and methods. You will need a program that runs in a loop (probably with a sleep) to - update positions and velocities of each grain (by invoking class methods) - detect and manage collisions - display each grain (by invoking class methods) If you are using a graphics package I assume you will have a canvas on which you will draw some kind of object to represent a particular class of grain at the current x,y(,z?) coordinates of each grain. It is possible to change the base class of an object on-the-fly, so a lava drop could become a sand grain. That's all for now. Good coding! I don't want to copy the game Is there a Python version out there? , I want to make my own to play around with Py(thon/game). -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC -- My Blog - Defenestration Coding http://defenestrationcoding.wordpress.com/ -- My Blog - Defenestration Coding http://defenestrationcoding.wordpress.com/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Nate, I myself am a newer programmer with most of my experience in the use of pygame, perhaps I could help point you in the right direction. First, there is a lot of cool stuff over at the main pygame website, and a lot of the users will post projects with images, general overviews, and a link to their main codebase / content. It might take some searching, but you could definitely find something similar to what you are working on there. While finding something similar to what you are working on would really help you out, something you might find even better is this book by Andy Harris http://www.amazon.com/Game-Programming-Line-Express-Learning/dp/0470068221/ref=sr_1_5?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1328564353sr=1-5 It's an amazing resource that takes you from installing python to creating your own games and even a game engine. There is a good chance that your local library has a copy. If you are serious about learning game programming in python, this is what you need to read. Lastly, speaking from experience. Start small. Just like Bob said, start with just the absolute basics and slowly add to your program. Mr. Harris' book demonstrates this in Chapter 7 perfectly. So check out pygame's website and check out that book from your library. I promise it will help you get started. Greg ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Thanks, Greg. I actually have two projects on the pygame website, and I already have a great book, too. But thank you very much :D -- My Blog - Defenestration Coding http://defenestrationcoding.wordpress.com/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:13:48AM -0500, Nate Lastname wrote: Hello List, I am quite sorry for my attitude. I will look more thoroughly into the search results. Thanks for the link to Epik. I had found this, but I didn't realize that it was Python. I apologize once again, and thank you for your help. I did give you a link to a sandbox game (powdertoy.co.uk) as an example of what I wanted, but that must not have been delivered properly. Thank you for the gracious apology, and welcome to the group! Don't worry about asking stupid questions, we don't mind them so long as you make an effort to solve them yourself first, and that you learn from them as you go. -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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More details: I want it to be something similar to this: powdertoy.co.uk. It will have different elements, though. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On 02/05/2012 02:43 PM, Nate Lastname wrote: Hey List, I am thinking about making a sandbox game. Where should I start? Has anyone done this before? I'm having trouble in MANY places, and I couldn't find any similar projects with a Google search. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor Really no information. Just an immediate search on Google listed approximately 20,100,00 general articles on sandbox games. Searching the same category including python there are at least 1,100,000. What is your experience level doing basic research? Robert Berman ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Hello Robert, I appreciate the reply, but I have two things to say: 1. Your nastiness is not appreciated or really needed. 2. If you look at the results, none of them actually give relavant info. I DID do research before I asked here, extensively, and found nothing. Thanks, The Defenestrator. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
On 05/02/12 20:44, Nate Lastname wrote: I appreciate the reply, but I have two things to say: 1. Your nastiness is not appreciated or really needed. I don't think Robert intended to be nasty. But you don't really give us much of a clue what you want. There is a ton of stuff on Google, if it doesn't answer your questions you need to be more precise about what kind of help you need. What have you tried, what are you planning, what don't you understand? If you say everything then we will just tell you to start at the beginning. The more precisely you frame your questions the more likely you are to get a useful answer. 2. If you look at the results, none of them actually give relavant info. Relevant to what? the ones I looked at were all relevant in some way or another. But I don't know what you were expecting to find. Blender seems to be a common theme. And here is one such game with downloadable source code. Maybe you can use that as a starter? Or maybe just join their project? http://code.google.com/p/epik-project/wiki/EpikKickstart HTH, -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Sandbox Game
Nate Lastname wrote: Hey List, I am thinking about making a sandbox game. Where should I start? Has anyone done this before? I'm having trouble in MANY places, and This mailing list is for learning the Python programming language, not for answering arbitrary questions about anything vaguely related to Python. But in general, if you want to make games in Python, you can do far worse than to start with PyGame. Please define what you mean by sandbox game. Do you mean a game that simulates playing in a sandbox? Or a game that runs in a (security) sandbox? Or something else? Running Python in a sandbox is a big, big task. In general, I would say it can't be done without assistance from the operating system, e.g. using a Unix chroot to limit access to the file system. But you could try PyPy, which I understand has a restricted Python mode. I couldn't find any similar projects with a Google search. I find that difficult to believe. Perhaps you have other constraints that you are keeping secret, because the first page of Google search includes a link to someone who wrote a sandbox game (whatever that is!) similar to World of Goo using Pygame: http://www.pygame.org/project-World+of+Goo+physics-1018-1785.html -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
