Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Dawn Wolthuis]

On 5/10/07, Charles Barouch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All,
  Let me respond to some of these... but first:

MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact
U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code
examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part
of making the incubator work.

Gabriel,
  I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will
be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book.
We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at
this time.


Very cool, Chuck. If you need a reader, you know where I live... (and
if it happens to be one that someone else started, then I've already
read some if it)

cheers!  --dawn
--
Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
tincat-group.com

Take and give some delight today



Rob, Dave & Jerry,
   VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that
problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up
waiting for it.

Karl,
  The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG
content so that we can keep things dynamic and current.

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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Dawn Wolthuis]

On 5/10/07, Dave Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Chuck,




I suspect I'll end up on mine before this post is done, so I might as
well say so up front too.


As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
make a good first impression".

I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that
they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.

When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.

If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you
think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?

What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000
disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the
product* doesn't work!

NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product
technical support - *as you do today*.

This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not
going to get another one.


This is where I think there could be a disconnect between teh goals of
IBM and the goals of the U2UG. I would be happy if this were not the
case, however, so just clarifying with IBM might be helpful.

I have no reason to believe that IBM is eager to attract end-customers
(non-VARs) to U2 and almost as little reason to believe that they want
to put any effort into attracting new VARs.  Even those converting
from other Pick vendors (D3, jBASE, Revelation, OpenQM, UniVision)
might be of only ho-hum interest unless they are huge (and I think IBM
knows whether they have most of the huge ones already or not).

So, if the U2UG is trying to address any of those audiences, I am not
at all convinced that the support needed to "close the deal" with
anyone downloading the PE edition, however souped up it might be, will
be there.

Dave is right that having no support for those using PE is backwards.
Then if the users of the PE edition get that far, see if these folks
can figure out how to get pricing on a product that is not in IBM's
price book (or even listed as a product in many places where other
DBMS tools are listed).

There are no magazines I read that have Ads for IBM products,
including DB2, that give me any hint that IBM would like me to use U2
for any new projects (others might be seeing such advertising, but it
isn't in front of me). I made the decision not to beg IBM to market to
me.

This is not a sales pitch for Cache', just an anecdote to help make
this clear. InterSystems is flying people out here (to the middle of
the cornfields) for my project kickoff, even though I told them they
didn't have to or that I could meet them in Chicago (where these two
people are located). I don't know (yet) if they have better software,
but I do know they want me to be a customer. LIke IBM, they know that
with any software application (VAR or SaaS solution), their success is
directly related to the success of the app software, but unlike IBM,
they act on this to try to attract NEW VARs/SaaS companies.

So, if the U2UG is going to do something very cool like what has been
suggested for this Incubator, you might also want to know who it is
that IBM is passionate about bringing into the U2 fold. I suspect,
unless I see evidence to the contrary, that their target group, the
group for which they will spend money, are the prospective customers
of existing VARs, with their investments being in existing VARs,
period (or very close to "period"). Those are not, in general, folks
who need the PE edition as a sales tool--their VAR will get it all
working for them.


>Stepping down off my soap box>


OK, I'll do the same.

Good ideas below.  Cheers!  --dawn


With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
ideas:

1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support
at any time during or after the installation.

2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or
contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt
to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
application to the eval database.

3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the
product.

4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date,
because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play
with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
system.

Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and
because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands,
we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be
distributed with these eval copies of

Re: [U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?

[Dawn Wolthuis]

As some of you already know, if you have a new person either in
management or development in a U2 (or other Pick) shop, you can have
them read my little MultiValue Trilogy at

http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/trilogy.html

These are "flash cards" and they were written with readers to help
with quality.  My blog effort has also been a book-in-progress, of
sorts, although I have set it aside for the time being to start a
software project.

It is a little dated and geared to D3, but Sisk's book on BASIC is
also online at http://jes.com/pb/index.html

I do have quite a few Pick books from days gone by on my shelf and
after checking Jon's site, I see he has some for sale. I suspect that
someone would write another one if there were a market for it, but the
vendors all have documentation and the user exchanges, such as
u2-users, help get folks the rest of the way. It is neither mainstream
enough nor difficult enough to prompt someone to write a new book, I
suspect.  Additionally, the various Pick vendors have mostly gone
their separate ways on client-server and there are many third-party
products, so other than the basics of  Data BASIC and the Pick data
model, most of the information needed is vendor-specific at this
point, I suspect.

Cheers!  --dawn

On 5/10/07, MAJ Programming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've never seen MV books in any bookstore. We've been a pretty well-kept
secret.

MV is hard to illustrate with words and/or drawings as itself is DOS-like
and character based. Perhaps that's a stumbling block on create a book
that's easy to read. Most books that I've come across are similar to the
reference manuals with not a whole lot of "this is better than that". It
seems to present everything on a equal basis.

My 1 cent.

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Derwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: [U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?


> Hi Gabe,
>
> Some quick thoughts:
>
> The Internet has dramatically reduced the need for printed materials,
> especially on fast-changing technical subjects. Even PC Magazine is a
> fraction of its former size.
>
> In the late '80s - early '90's (what I'd consider the heyday of Pick /
> MV so far), there were several books in print. Someone posted this link
> to Jonathan Sisk's Pick Publications Database not long ago:
> www.jes.com/picklist.html
>
> Many Pick / MV database installations are a "behind the scenes" part of
> software packages, so end-users might not feel the need for reference
> books.
>
> Hopefully others can comment on the state of the MV market.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 11:30 AM >>>
> Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in
> print?
>
> Anyone want to write one? ;-)
>
> Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant?  Does IBM
> plan
> to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to
> get a
> few large customers?  Anybody?
>
> Gabe

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Re: [U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?

[MAJ Programming]

I've never seen MV books in any bookstore. We've been a pretty well-kept
secret.

MV is hard to illustrate with words and/or drawings as itself is DOS-like
and character based. Perhaps that's a stumbling block on create a book
that's easy to read. Most books that I've come across are similar to the
reference manuals with not a whole lot of "this is better than that". It
seems to present everything on a equal basis.

My 1 cent.

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Derwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: [U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?


> Hi Gabe,
>
> Some quick thoughts:
>
> The Internet has dramatically reduced the need for printed materials,
> especially on fast-changing technical subjects. Even PC Magazine is a
> fraction of its former size.
>
> In the late '80s - early '90's (what I'd consider the heyday of Pick /
> MV so far), there were several books in print. Someone posted this link
> to Jonathan Sisk's Pick Publications Database not long ago:
> www.jes.com/picklist.html
>
> Many Pick / MV database installations are a "behind the scenes" part of
> software packages, so end-users might not feel the need for reference
> books.
>
> Hopefully others can comment on the state of the MV market.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 11:30 AM >>>
> Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in
> print?
>
> Anyone want to write one? ;-)
>
> Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant?  Does IBM
> plan
> to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to
> get a
> few large customers?  Anybody?
>
> Gabe
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RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Tom Dodds]

Charles (looking for some help) Barouch:

I have some fairly self contained routines for both Sockets interface and
for file Triggers that I would be willing to customize for use with what
ever file structure the U2UG learner pack has designed.  I think these are
two of the really great features of U2.

Tom Dodds 

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Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

All,
   Let me respond to some of these... but first:

MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact 
U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code 
examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part 
of making the incubator work.

Gabriel,
   I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will 
be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. 
We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at 
this time.

Rob, Dave & Jerry,
VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that 
problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up 
waiting for it.

Karl,
   The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG 
content so that we can keep things dynamic and current.

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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Richard Brown]

Yep,  I live on that same clock.

Richard

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


> Dave,
> Very well said. But one thing I might add, and I've been bitten by this
> myself, I think that the reduced file sizes are probably a good enough of
a
> deterrent to users trying to use the PE version for regular use and you
> don't need the expiration date. I have downloaded PE versions, installed,
> but didn't have time to use right off, then finding when I did have time
it
> had expired. Some may think that not many people would be like that but in
> my world a month is a day.
> Jerry
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dave Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
>
> > Chuck,
> >
> > 
> > As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
> > make a good first impression".
> >
> > I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged
that
> > they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.
> >
> > When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.
> >
> > If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do
you
> > think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
> > you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?
> >
> > What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in
2000
> > disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that
> > *the
> > product* doesn't work!
> >
> > NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide
> > product
> > technical support - *as you do today*.
> >
> > This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're
not
> > going to get another one.
> >
> >>Stepping down off my soap box>
> >
> > With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
> > ideas:
> >
> > 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical
support
> > at any time during or after the installation.
> >
> > 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM
or
> > contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that
> > attempt
> > to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
> > including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
> > application to the eval database.
> >
> > 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
> > address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
> > evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase
the
> > product.
> >
> > 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration
> > date,
> > because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to
> > play
> > with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
> > system.
> >
> > Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector,
> > and
> > because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler
commands,
> > we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to
> > be
> > distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the
> > most
> > difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.
> >
> > Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account
> > saves,
> > we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
> > TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
> > unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable
them
> > to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV
or
> > UD.
> >
> > I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy
> > for
> > licensing these products for use in the PE library.
> >
> > We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
> > converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
> > activities.
> >
> > I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can.
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > Dave Taylor
> > CEO
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RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Marc Harbeson]

Why can't the unpacking of the VM have the IBM license agreement in it?

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But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end
user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my
understanding.  They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly.

Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines

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[David Murray]

I was assuming that IBM would do this.

Cheers,

David Murray


.learn and do
.excel and share
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But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end
user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my
understanding.  They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly.

Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines

DW 

> -Original Message-
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> Normandin, Jerry
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:43 PM
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> 
> Sounds like a great Idea!  I'm willing to put together a 
> tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image.  This will yield a usable 
> demo that can run on windows and linux.  ... as the guiness 
> commercial goes... "A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT!"
> 
> Jerry Normandin
>  
> 
> 
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> 
> What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run 
> VMWare image of U2 on linux?
> 
> VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a 
> number of linux and such images available under their 
> 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace'
> - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/
> 
> All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a 
> MS-Windows platform.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David Murray
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM
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> 
> Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I 
> doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32.
> 
> IBM seems to support Linux...
> 
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> 
> It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be 
> using VMware or
> 
> some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run 
> in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux 
> operating system.  This would make the install easy and all 
> the databases and documentation etc.
> 
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[karlp]

Thanks. I've seen broken links so many times using install routines that I
could be rich, if finder's fees were applicable. Well, not rich.

Karl


> All,
>Let me respond to some of these... but first:
>
> MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact
> U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code
> examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part
> of making the incubator work.
>
> Gabriel,
>I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will
> be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book.
> We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at
> this time.
>
> Rob, Dave & Jerry,
> VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that
> problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up
> waiting for it.
>
> Karl,
>The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG
> content so that we can keep things dynamic and current.
>
> --
>
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Charles Barouch]

All,
  Let me respond to some of these... but first:

MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact 
U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code 
examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part 
of making the incubator work.


Gabriel,
  I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will 
be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. 
We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at 
this time.


Rob, Dave & Jerry,
   VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that 
problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up 
waiting for it.


Karl,
  The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG 
content so that we can keep things dynamic and current.


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[David Wolverton]

But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end
user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my
understanding.  They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly.

Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines

DW 

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> 
> Sounds like a great Idea!  I'm willing to put together a 
> tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image.  This will yield a usable 
> demo that can run on windows and linux.  ... as the guiness 
> commercial goes... "A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT!"
> 
> Jerry Normandin
>  
> 
> 
>  
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> 
> What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run 
> VMWare image of U2 on linux?
> 
> VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a 
> number of linux and such images available under their 
> 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace'
> - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/
> 
> All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a 
> MS-Windows platform.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David Murray
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I 
> doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32.
> 
> IBM seems to support Linux...
> 
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> 
> It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be 
> using VMware or
> 
> some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run 
> in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux 
> operating system.  This would make the install easy and all 
> the databases and documentation etc.
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RE: [U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?

[Tony Gravagno]

> Gabe asked
> why are there no MV books in bookstores in print?

(Weird that I didn't get the original note - forum flaky???)

This question is asked in many forums over time, so I decided to write a
blog entry on it.  Comments always welcome:


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[Dave]

Anthony Youngman wrote:

I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-)

When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be
nice to get that officially into portage :-)

(I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-)

Cheers,
Wol
  
I recently (within the past month) wiped my gentoo desktop box so I 
could try (K)ubuntu. (K)ubuntu seems to be a decent enough distribution, 
but for the life of me I still don't understand its popularity. Their 
policy on root accounts alone was enough to put me off. The primary 
reason I prefer Linux to any MS solution is that Linux, for the most 
part, doesn't make judgement calls about what I want to do with MY 
computer. (K)ubuntu threw that right out the window with their sudo 
nonsense.


It was a bad decision. I had my reasons for replacing gentoo, among them 
the lack of a recent install CD. However I just checked www.gentoo.org, 
and imagine my surprise... there's a 2007.0 install finally available. I 
guess I'll spend the weekend reinstalling. Yes, you read that correctly: 
the weekend.


I've been a Linux user since 1994 (I still have an ancient Yggdrasil 
distribution, boot floppy and all).  I've tried most of the major 
players, and landed on gentoo about three years ago. What sold me was 
the amount of control you have with gentoo. Want to try a bleeding edge 
app? Preface 'emerge' with 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"' (replace ~x86 with 
your platform of choice).  'USE' keywords offer very fine granularity 
over what libraries get used when you install a package.


And the gentoo wiki offers some of the best documentation I've seen for 
ANY computer platform.


My email archives fail me right now, and my middle-aged memory has been 
all but useless for quite some time now (I blame the '70's, but there ya 
go). Someone in the openqm community had an ebuild going for gentoo.


In short (is it too late for that?), good luck with building your gentoo 
system. If ya got any questions (WordPerfect 8??) feel free to holler at me.


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[Normandin, Jerry]

Sounds like a great Idea!  I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie
cutter vmplayer image.  This will yield a usable demo that can run on
windows and linux.  ... as the guiness commercial goes... "A VM of U2 on
Linux, BRILLIANT!"

Jerry Normandin
 


 

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What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image
of U2
on linux?

VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of
linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances
Marketplace'
- http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/

All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows
platform.

Cheers,

David Murray



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.excel and share

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt
Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32.

IBM seems to support Linux...

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or

some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free 
player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system.  This 
would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc.

could be pre-installed.
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RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[David Murray]

What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2
on linux?

VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of
linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace'
- http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/

All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows
platform.

Cheers,

David Murray



.learn and do
.excel and share

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt
Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32.

IBM seems to support Linux...

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It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or

some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free 
player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system.  This 
would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc.

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RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+

[David Wolverton]

AH --- well isn't that stupid of me!  I looked at the download page for
SystemBuilder 5.4.1 here

http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/preconfig.jsp?id=2005-03-31+14
%3A19%3A42.178111R&S_TACT=104CBW71&S_CMP=

And it says "IBM SystemBuilder (SB+ and SBClient) enables rapid application
development with flexible deployment options for the IBM UniVerseR and IBM
UniDataR (U2) MultiValue data servers."

Foolish me!  I thought the download included SBClient!  It does NOT!

Thanks Kevin for the heads up!

David W. 

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> Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+
> 
> You found an SBClient demo?  Where?
> 
> 
> -Kevin
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RE: [U2] Incubator

[Brutzman, Bill]

Microsoft SQL and Oracle free downloads allow for 2-GB.  What year is it...
1907 ?

--Bill

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Dave,
Very well said. But one thing I might add, and I've been bitten by this 
myself, I think that the reduced file sizes are probably a good enough of a 
deterrent to users trying to use the PE version for regular use and you 
don't need the expiration date. I have downloaded PE versions, installed, 
but didn't have time to use right off, then finding when I did have time it 
had expired. Some may think that not many people would be like that but in 
my world a month is a day.
Jerry

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


> Chuck,
>
> 
> As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
> make a good first impression".
>
> I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that
> they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.
>
> When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.
>
> If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you
> think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
> you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?
>
> What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000
> disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that 
> *the
> product* doesn't work!
>
> NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide 
> product
> technical support - *as you do today*.
>
> This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not
> going to get another one.
>
>>Stepping down off my soap box>
>
> With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
> ideas:
>
> 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support
> at any time during or after the installation.
>
> 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or
> contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that 
> attempt
> to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
> including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
> application to the eval database.
>
> 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
> address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
> evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the
> product.
>
> 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration 
> date,
> because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to 
> play
> with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
> system.
>
> Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, 
> and
> because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands,
> we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to 
> be
> distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the 
> most
> difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.
>
> Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account 
> saves,
> we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
> TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
> unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them
> to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or
> UD.
>
> I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy 
> for
> licensing these products for use in the PE library.
>
> We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
> converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
> activities.
>
> I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Taylor
> CEO
> Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
> 49 Aspen Way
> Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274
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> Software Migration
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RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+

[Kevin King]

You found an SBClient demo?  Where?


-Kevin
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Wolverton
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I have to correct myself!! SBClient **is** included in the package -
but as a 'demo license' that expires in 60 days.
 
> 
> 
> But SBClient is ***NOT*** part of the PE package, which is sort of 
> sad, as all anyone can see is UniData/UniVerse in all their 
> character-based glory.
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[BNeylon]

Reminds me of the good old days when I was the programmer at TAB books in 
Blue Ridge Summit, PA.   We published "The PICK Library edited by Jonathan 
Sisk".  Still have some of those books somewhere.

Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group 




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Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in
print?

Anyone want to write one? ;-)

Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant?  Does IBM plan
to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to get 
a
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[Jerry]

Dave,
Very well said. But one thing I might add, and I've been bitten by this 
myself, I think that the reduced file sizes are probably a good enough of a 
deterrent to users trying to use the PE version for regular use and you 
don't need the expiration date. I have downloaded PE versions, installed, 
but didn't have time to use right off, then finding when I did have time it 
had expired. Some may think that not many people would be like that but in 
my world a month is a day.

Jerry

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From: "Dave Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board



Chuck,


As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
make a good first impression".

I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that
they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.

When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.

If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you
think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?

What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000
disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that 
*the

product* doesn't work!

NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide 
product

technical support - *as you do today*.

This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not
going to get another one.


Stepping down off my soap box>


With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
ideas:

1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support
at any time during or after the installation.

2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or
contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that 
attempt

to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
application to the eval database.

3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the
product.

4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration 
date,
because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to 
play

with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
system.

Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, 
and

because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands,
we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to 
be
distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the 
most

difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.

Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account 
saves,

we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them
to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or
UD.

I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy 
for

licensing these products for use in the PE library.

We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
activities.

I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can.

Rgds,

Dave

Dave Taylor
CEO
Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
49 Aspen Way
Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274
800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275)
(O) 310-544-1974
(C) 310-561-5200
(F) 310-377-3550
www.sysmarkinfo.com
Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and
Software Migration
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[Marc Harbeson]

Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt
Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32.

IBM seems to support Linux...

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It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or

some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free 
player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system.  This 
would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc.

could be pre-installed.
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[U2] Re: Why are there no MV books?

[Thomas Derwin]

Hi Gabe,

Some quick thoughts:

The Internet has dramatically reduced the need for printed materials,
especially on fast-changing technical subjects. Even PC Magazine is a
fraction of its former size.

In the late '80s - early '90's (what I'd consider the heyday of Pick /
MV so far), there were several books in print. Someone posted this link
to Jonathan Sisk's Pick Publications Database not long ago:
www.jes.com/picklist.html

Many Pick / MV database installations are a "behind the scenes" part of
software packages, so end-users might not feel the need for reference
books.

Hopefully others can comment on the state of the MV market.

Regards,
Tom

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 11:30 AM >>>
Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in
print?

Anyone want to write one? ;-)

Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant?  Does IBM
plan
to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to
get a
few large customers?  Anybody?

Gabe
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Thomas Derwin]

Very well said, Dave. And thanks for your generous offers.

The "incubator" is a great idea and hopefully IBM will be as lenient
with the PE licensing and expiration terms as they are with their free
"DB2 Express-C" database.

The installer is going to be an amazing piece of code, considering all
that's being asked of it.

Have fun,
Tom

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 3:00 PM >>>
Chuck,


As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
make a good first impression".

>Stepping down off my soap box>

we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library
to be
distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the
most
difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.

we will offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable
them
to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV
or
UD.

We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
activities.

Rgds,
Dave Taylor

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM
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> All,
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will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership.

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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[karlp]

Might I also suggest that all the extras, like the recommended list of
VARs (very good idea), etc. be placed on u2ug.org's website so they are
located in one location, and can be updated once? There's nothing less
maintainable than a software release with all the packages included, but
which is out of date 20 minutes after download...

Karl


> Chuck,
>
> 
> As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
> make a good first impression".
>
> I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that
> they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.
>
> When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.
>
> If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you
> think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
> you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?
>
> What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000
> disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that
> *the
> product* doesn't work!
>
> NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide
> product
> technical support - *as you do today*.
>
> This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not
> going to get another one.
>
>>Stepping down off my soap box>
>
> With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
> ideas:
>
> 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support
> at any time during or after the installation.
>
> 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or
> contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that
> attempt
> to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
> including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
> application to the eval database.
>
> 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
> address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
> evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the
> product.
>
> 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration
> date,
> because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to
> play
> with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
> system.
>
> Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector,
> and
> because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands,
> we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to
> be
> distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the
> most
> difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.
>
> Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account
> saves,
> we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
> TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
> unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them
> to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or
> UD.
>
> I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy
> for
> licensing these products for use in the PE library.
>
> We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
> converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
> activities.
>
> I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Taylor
> CEO
> Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
> 49 Aspen Way
> Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274
> 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275)
> (O) 310-544-1974
> (C) 310-561-5200
> (F) 310-377-3550
> www.sysmarkinfo.com
> Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and
> Software Migration
> Authorized IBM Business Partner
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Barouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM
> Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
>
>> All,
>> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will
>> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
>> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>>
>> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
>> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
>> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
>> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful
>> information.
>>
>> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
>> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
>> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing
>> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
>> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
>> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation

RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+

[David Wolverton]

I have to correct myself!! SBClient **is** included in the package - but as
a 'demo license' that expires in 60 days.
 
> 
> 
> But SBClient is ***NOT*** part of the PE package, which is 
> sort of sad, as all anyone can see is UniData/UniVerse in all 
> their character-based glory.
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[Kevin King]

>From: David Murray
>What would be nice is SBClient to be 
>bundled, so the capabilities of SB+ 
>can be demonstrated.

Not likely going to happen, but DC works fine with SB+ in character
mode.  Well, "fine" following a small patch to SB+.

-Kevin
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Dave Taylor]

Chuck,


As I have said before on this subject, "you never get a second chance to
make a good first impression".

I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that
they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month.

When I asked him, "how many sales did you make", he had no clue.

If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you
think I'm doing to say "Well, Self, this is really a good product, but
you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work"?

What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000
disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the
product* doesn't work!

NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product
technical support - *as you do today*.

This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not
going to get another one.

>Stepping down off my soap box>

With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following
ideas:

1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support
at any time during or after the installation.

2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or
contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt
to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product,
including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple
application to the eval database.

3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name,
address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person
evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the
product.

4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date,
because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play
with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production
system.

Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and
because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands,
we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be
distributed with these eval copies of the PE.  This will over come the most
difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD.

Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account saves,
we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs,
TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove
unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them
to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or
UD.

I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy for
licensing these products for use in the PE library.

We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in
converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion
activities.

I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can.

Rgds,

Dave

Dave Taylor
CEO
Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
49 Aspen Way
Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274
800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275)
(O) 310-544-1974
(C) 310-561-5200
(F) 310-377-3550
www.sysmarkinfo.com
Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and
Software Migration
Authorized IBM Business Partner
- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Barouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful
> information.
>
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts,
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the
> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology
> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
>
> Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1
> P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354
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RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Normandin, Jerry]

As a gentoo user and contributor I can say make sure you are using a
current valid profile for your platform and make sure you properly
configured your /etc/make.conf.   

There are many advantages to running Gentoo.  1st off it's compiled and
optimized for your architecture, this means it's extremely fast!
Second...
IN PLACE OS upgrades are awesome and work well.  If your are a newbie
then I suggest first download a live cd or dvd for your architecture.
Hit the gentoo website read up on how to install, if you have any
questions someone is always willing to help through the gentoo forums.


Gentoo isn't meant to be an "easy" install.  For those of us who are
tech savy there are many benfits from utilizing this distribution. 

I currently use gentoo on:
AMD
PPC
AMD64bit
PPC 64bit
Efika Embedded Controller


I'd like to see an Open source version of UV.  IBM forgot that Linux
runs on myany platforms.  My Linux servers at home are all PPC.  If I
was going to play with uv at home I'd run it on one of my servers.  My
PPC servers have
Mysql 5.0 (evolving nicely!)

Jerry Normandin
 


 

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Good luck with that.  All I have to say about Gentoo is be careful with
compiler flags going a little too crazy and ports (or whatever they call
them, I forget) getting out of sync.

Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD but it seems to work beautifully on
Windows.. no complaints so far =)  Microsoft apparently put enough hard
work
into Windows to turn it from the toy that was NT4 into a robust OS
suitable
for enterprise use (didn't think I'd ever say that 8 years ago...)

Gabe

On 5/10/07, Anthony Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half
:-)
>
> When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE.
Be
> nice to get that officially into portage :-)
>
> (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41
> To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
> Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
> Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative.
>
> I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running
into
> install problems.
>
> Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for...
>
> --Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles
Barouch
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
>
> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we
will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and
useful
>
> information.
>
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website
(allowing
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts,
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to
the
>
> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our
technology
>
> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
>
> Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1
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RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+

[David Wolverton]

Actually, I can't imagine giving a new user UD/UV **without** SB+ as a front
end.

It helps users visualize the system use (via the somewhat icky SBDEMO) and
gives a usuable character-based Editor (SE) that is more intuitive to new
users.

But SBClient is ***NOT*** part of the PE package, which is sort of sad, as
all anyone can see is UniData/UniVerse in all their character-based glory.
To get something GUI, IBM forces them to abandon SB+ PE and move directly to
VisualStudio integration. Seems to me they missed the mark on that planning!

DW 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Brutzman, Bill
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:16 PM
> To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
> Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+
> 
> IBM has this already...
> 
> U2 Personal Editions and Trials (IBM U2 SB+ Personal Edition 
> for UniVerse on
> Windows)
> 
> --Bill
> 
> What would be nice is SBClient to be bundled, so the 
> capabilities of SB+ can be demonstrated.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[robwills_u2list]

It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or 
some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free 
player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system.  This 
would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. 
could be pre-installed.

Regards,

Rob Wills
(rob dot wills at inter hyphen weavers dot com)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2007 04:39:21:

> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
> 
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful 

> information.
> 
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the 

> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology 

> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
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RE: [U2] Incubator - SB+

[Brutzman, Bill]

IBM has this already...

U2 Personal Editions and Trials (IBM U2 SB+ Personal Edition for UniVerse on
Windows)

--Bill

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Murray
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:06 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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The basic 'Direct Connect' terminal emulator is bundled with the U2 windows
client package.

What would be nice is SBClient to be bundled, so the capabilities of SB+ can
be demonstrated.

Cheers,

David Murray


.learn and do
.excel and share
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Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator?  Accuterm for 
instance?

Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group 




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All,
The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful 
information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the 
U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology 
in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Martin Phillips]

Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD


Can't resist the plug  OpenQM runs on FreeBSD.


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Re: [U2] Redirect printer to file

[Jerry]

When the jobs are spooled they stay in the queue until  we change the form 
type on the printer queues. We also have a paragraph that is run 
periodically during the day that sets the form type on the print queues 
using the usa command (SH -c "/ibm/uv/bin/usa -p HP2132 -F FILE").


- Original Message - 
From: "Rod Hills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [U2] Redirect printer to file



Jerry,

I am doing something similar, but I am using the USEROPT parameter,
which is passed as argument 11 to the print driver.

I have a question on your scenario. Since universe won't run the print
driver script until the FORM on the print job matches the FORM currently
set on the printer queue, how do you get the print driver to run?

Rod Hills
Leupold and Stevens

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:41 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Redirect printer to file

Mac,
We do this type of thing all of the time. The following is one of our
printer scripts (with bogus path names). In your printer device setup
use
the script that you create as the device driver. Make sure the script is

executable.
The case statement uses the form type to distribute the printout. The
first
case sends the printout to a file using the banner as the filename. Make

sure you use valid system filenames in the banner, no spaces, I advise
using
a date and time stamp when creating the banner so it will be different
every
time. The second case is for both sending to a file and printing to a
printer in landscape 132 character mode. The third case is for sending
the
file out through email using the banner as the email address and
converting
the printout to a pdf document using a free program from the internet
(there
are many out there, even with the same name, this one just happened to
be
freeware). I used mailx on this particular system so I could put in a
return
email address for bounced email but you can use whatever is available.
You
will notice the fields at the top of the script are the numbered
positions
of fields sent from the UniVerse spooler, these are used to determine
how to
treat the printout. If the form type is empty or not a case then the
printout just prints on the printer in landscape 132 character mode.
Jerry

ptr.drv

#!/usr/bin/sh
# $1 = user no, $2 = job no, $3 = bytes, $4 = banner, $5 = form,
# $6 = printer name
#
spool_file=/tmp/$1_$2
spool_file1=/tmp/$1_$2
spool_file2=/tmp/$2_$1
case $5 in
  TO_FILE)
 spool_file=/data/ibm/REPORTS/$4
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 ;;
  TO_FILE&PTR)
 spool_file=/data/ibm/REPORTS/$4
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 echo "^027E^027&l1o8D^027(s16.7H" > $spool_file1
 cat $spool_file >> $spool_file1
 echo "^027E" >> $spool_file1
 cat $spool_file1 | sed 's/$/^013/' > $spool_file2
 lp -d hpptr -o nobanner $spool_file2
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  MAIL)
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  then
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$spool_file
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$spool_file
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  *)
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Hi,

I wonder if someone can help, I am universe for Unix, and I would like

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setup a printer device where the output from the print is sent to a
directory as a unique file in that directory. how do i do this with

the uv

spooler

thanks

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RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[David Murray]

The basic 'Direct Connect' terminal emulator is bundled with the U2 windows
client package.

What would be nice is SBClient to be bundled, so the capabilities of SB+ can
be demonstrated.

Cheers,

David Murray


.learn and do
.excel and share
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Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator?  Accuterm for 
instance?

Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group 




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All,
The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful 
information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the 
U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology 
in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

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[Thomas Derwin]

Last I looked, Dynamic Connect was bundled with the PE editions. It was
included in the "clients" zip file, rather than the "pe" zip file.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 11:24 AM >>>
Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product.


Karl


> Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator?  Accuterm for
> instance?
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[Gabriel Green]

Good luck with that.  All I have to say about Gentoo is be careful with
compiler flags going a little too crazy and ports (or whatever they call
them, I forget) getting out of sync.

Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD but it seems to work beautifully on
Windows.. no complaints so far =)  Microsoft apparently put enough hard work
into Windows to turn it from the toy that was NT4 into a robust OS suitable
for enterprise use (didn't think I'd ever say that 8 years ago...)

Gabe

On 5/10/07, Anthony Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-)
>
> When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be
> nice to get that officially into portage :-)
>
> (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41
> To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
> Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
> Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative.
>
> I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into
> install problems.
>
> Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for...
>
> --Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
>
> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful
>
> information.
>
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts,
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the
>
> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology
>
> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
>
> Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[Ken Hall]

At 08:39 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote:
   Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to 
sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website 
(allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect 
the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the 
installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE 
installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to 
the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our 
technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?


Great Idea! I have wondered for years why this kind of package is not 
available for multi-value trials.


We need something that a new user can easily understand and use 
without prior training.


Ken
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[Vance E Alspach (J&L - SFD)]

My version of UVPE and UDPE came with Dymanic Connect (a streamlined version
of Wintegrate).  It serves all of my emulation needs.  Actually, we have
deployed it here instead of our proprietary emulation.

Vance 

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Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product.
Much easier to make a business case expanding the IBM product line than
any third party products.

My 2 bits

Karl
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[Normandin, Jerry]

What?? I've been an active gentoo user/contributor since 2004.  Have you
ever went to gentoo.org and read or wrote to the forums?   I run gentoo
on the ppc platform and also the AMD platform.  Recently I did an
in-place upgrade on my firewall from 2004.1 to 2006.2... and it went
successfully.
If this is your first install, download the "minimal" install cd, get
the box booted,   ssh to the box from a web connected pc,  go to
www.gentoo.org
And hit the doc section,  follow the docs for your platform.  You gotta
love how well gentoo does in-place upgrades.  It handles this very well.



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I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-)

When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be
nice to get that officially into portage :-)

(I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative.

I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into
install problems.

Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for...

--Bill

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Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


All,
The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful

information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the

U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology

in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

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Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

[Gabriel Green]

Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in
print?

Anyone want to write one? ;-)

Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant?  Does IBM plan
to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to get a
few large customers?  Anybody?

Gabe
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>
> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful
> information.
>
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts,
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the
> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology
> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
>
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[karlp]

Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product.
Much easier to make a business case expanding the IBM product line than
any third party products.

My 2 bits

Karl


> Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator?  Accuterm for
> instance?
>
> Bruce M Neylon
> Health Care Management Group
>
>
>
>
> Charles Barouch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 05/09/2007 11:39 PM
> Please respond to
> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>
>
> To
> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> cc
>
> Subject
> [U2] Incubator - News from the board
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All,
> The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will
> soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are
> discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.
>
> We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of
> business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market
> expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE
> software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful
> information.
>
> Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which
> pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign
> the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing
> the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content
> all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will
> bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts,
> files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
>  The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the
> U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology
> in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?
>
> Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[Anthony Youngman]

I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-)

When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be
nice to get that officially into portage :-)

(I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-)

Cheers,
Wol

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From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41
To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board

Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative.

I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into
install problems.

Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for...

--Bill

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Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


All,
The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful

information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the

U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology

in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

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[BNeylon]

Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator?  Accuterm for 
instance?

Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group 




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soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful 
information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the 
U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology 
in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

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RE: [U2] Locks

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How do I rollback a U2 transaction?  

Right now, all I know to do is to restore the entire data file from "tape".

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[Brutzman, Bill]

Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative.

I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into
install problems.

Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for...

--Bill

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board


All,
The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will 
soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are 
discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated.

We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of 
business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market 
expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE 
software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful 
information.

Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which 
pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign 
the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing 
the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content 
all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will 
bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, 
files, and programs, etc. are all in place.
 The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the 
U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology 
in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help?

Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1
P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354
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RE: [U2] Redirect printer to file

[Rod Hills]

Jerry,

I am doing something similar, but I am using the USEROPT parameter,
which is passed as argument 11 to the print driver.

I have a question on your scenario. Since universe won't run the print
driver script until the FORM on the print job matches the FORM currently
set on the printer queue, how do you get the print driver to run?

Rod Hills
Leupold and Stevens

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:41 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Redirect printer to file

Mac,
We do this type of thing all of the time. The following is one of our 
printer scripts (with bogus path names). In your printer device setup
use 
the script that you create as the device driver. Make sure the script is

executable.
The case statement uses the form type to distribute the printout. The
first 
case sends the printout to a file using the banner as the filename. Make

sure you use valid system filenames in the banner, no spaces, I advise
using 
a date and time stamp when creating the banner so it will be different
every 
time. The second case is for both sending to a file and printing to a 
printer in landscape 132 character mode. The third case is for sending
the 
file out through email using the banner as the email address and
converting 
the printout to a pdf document using a free program from the internet
(there 
are many out there, even with the same name, this one just happened to
be 
freeware). I used mailx on this particular system so I could put in a
return 
email address for bounced email but you can use whatever is available.
You 
will notice the fields at the top of the script are the numbered
positions 
of fields sent from the UniVerse spooler, these are used to determine
how to 
treat the printout. If the form type is empty or not a case then the 
printout just prints on the printer in landscape 132 character mode.
Jerry

ptr.drv

#!/usr/bin/sh
# $1 = user no, $2 = job no, $3 = bytes, $4 = banner, $5 = form,
# $6 = printer name
#
spool_file=/tmp/$1_$2
spool_file1=/tmp/$1_$2
spool_file2=/tmp/$2_$1
case $5 in
   TO_FILE)
  spool_file=/data/ibm/REPORTS/$4
  cat - >> $spool_file
  ;;
   TO_FILE&PTR)
  spool_file=/data/ibm/REPORTS/$4
  cat - >> $spool_file
  echo "^027E^027&l1o8D^027(s16.7H" > $spool_file1
  cat $spool_file >> $spool_file1
  echo "^027E" >> $spool_file1
  cat $spool_file1 | sed 's/$/^013/' > $spool_file2
  lp -d hpptr -o nobanner $spool_file2
  ;;
   MAIL)
  if test $7 -lt 100
   then
  cat - |/data/spool/text2pdf -c$7 -l$8 -v10 -F -s8 >
$spool_file
  else
  if test $7 -lt 200
  then
 cat - |/data/spool/text2pdf -c$7 -l$8 -v10 -F -s6 -L > 
$spool_file
  else
 cat - |/data/spool/text2pdf -c$7 -l$8 -v8 -F -s6 -L -y1008
> 
$spool_file
  fi
  fi
  cat $spool_file | uuencode $2.pdf | mailx -r 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -s "Report from Account" $4
  ;;
   *)
  echo "^027E^027&l1o8D^027(s16.7H" > $spool_file1
  cat - >> $spool_file1
  echo "^027E" >> $spool_file1
  cat $spool_file1 | sed 's/$/^013/' > $spool_file2
  lp -d hpptr -o nobanner $spool_file2
  ;;
esac

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From: "Mac Bhyat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: [U2] Redirect printer to file


> Hi,
>
> I wonder if someone can help, I am universe for Unix, and I would like
to
> setup a printer device where the output from the print is sent to a
> directory as a unique file in that directory. how do i do this with
the uv
> spooler
>
> thanks
>
> mac
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mac Bhyat
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Re: [U2] Unidata error message

[Doug Miller]

This error has to do with the filesystem not being mounted while UD 
is started and accessing
dynamic files later on that filesystem.  Later releases handle this 
better but introduce other

problems. IIRC (df timeouts)

So, have all your UniData filesystems mounted prior to starting 
UniData or upgrade to a release that has this patched.  Get with your 
support provider on what release that may be.


HTH,

-Doug

At 08:47 AM 5/9/2007, you wrote:

Is anyone familiar with this error message:

"Warning: Can't find the partition (1074266118) information in shared
memory."



Doug Miller   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager of Technical Services
Strategy 7Dallas TX 
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