Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Volodymyr Dorozhinsky]

Hi,


also to exclude sound problems in the

pty pts/0 console one can test it by running in in it:

speaker-test -c 1

If everything fine You should hear some noise.

Best regards
Volodymyr


On 2/13/23 06:39, Jude DaShiell wrote:

In orca if you go into terminal then temporarily turn orca off then do:
spd-say "Hello World!\n"
Do you get any speech?
If yes, turn orca back on then run spd-conf in that user terminal.
You want a new configuration and you want a user configuration.
One of the choices on the next prompts should be for espeak-ng.
take that choice.
alsa should be another choice to take.
Then test everything and see what comes back
I think what's going on is speech-dispatcher thinks you only have orca
running on your system and doesn't yet know about espeak-ng.
There may also be a connector package espeak-ng needs so it can work.
Some users don't like linux installing dependency packages and if you are
one of them you could have got yourself into this kind of trouble if the
connector package wasn't installed.
Probably by tomorrow I'll be getting one or more answers back from the
speakup list in which case we'll get this sorted out for you.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:


modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
/lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:


Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]

Still no speech, insmod still fails

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be
insmod speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no
speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:


insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
directory
insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
directory

however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
speakup-soft?]

speakup_soft   16384  1
speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:


I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
update

that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but
I am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I
was about 2 clean installs ago ...


david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
System:
   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
pty

pts/0

 Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
speech output for Speakup
  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service;
enabled; vendor

preset: enabled)

  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC;
9min

ago

Docs: man:espeakup(8)
 Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,

status=0/SUCCESS)

 Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup

--default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)

Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
  Memory: 10.5M
 CPU: 183ms
  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=

Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
for

Speakup...

Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
for

Speakup.

david@ubuntu:~$

Am I missing something?

--David


-Original Message-
From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
Sent: Tuesda

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

If you haven't already done it, install espeakup.  That's a connector
daemon that makes espeak-ng and speakup_soft play nicely together.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> In orca if you go into terminal then temporarily turn orca off then do:
> spd-say "Hello World!\n"
> Do you get any speech?
> If yes, turn orca back on then run spd-conf in that user terminal.
> You want a new configuration and you want a user configuration.
> One of the choices on the next prompts should be for espeak-ng.
> take that choice.
> alsa should be another choice to take.
> Then test everything and see what comes back
> I think what's going on is speech-dispatcher thinks you only have orca
> running on your system and doesn't yet know about espeak-ng.
> There may also be a connector package espeak-ng needs so it can work.
> Some users don't like linux installing dependency packages and if you are
> one of them you could have got yourself into this kind of trouble if the
> connector package wasn't installed.
> Probably by tomorrow I'll be getting one or more answers back from the
> speakup list in which case we'll get this sorted out for you.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
> > /lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
> > >
> > > Still no speech, insmod still fails
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be
> > > insmod speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no
> > > speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> > > make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> > > > directory
> > > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> > > > directory
> > > >
> > > > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> > > > speakup-soft?]
> > > >
> > > > speakup_soft   16384  1
> > > > speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >
> > > > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > > defense of liberty:
> > > >  soa

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

In orca if you go into terminal then temporarily turn orca off then do:
spd-say "Hello World!\n"
Do you get any speech?
If yes, turn orca back on then run spd-conf in that user terminal.
You want a new configuration and you want a user configuration.
One of the choices on the next prompts should be for espeak-ng.
take that choice.
alsa should be another choice to take.
Then test everything and see what comes back
I think what's going on is speech-dispatcher thinks you only have orca
running on your system and doesn't yet know about espeak-ng.
There may also be a connector package espeak-ng needs so it can work.
Some users don't like linux installing dependency packages and if you are
one of them you could have got yourself into this kind of trouble if the
connector package wasn't installed.
Probably by tomorrow I'll be getting one or more answers back from the
speakup list in which case we'll get this sorted out for you.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
> /lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.
>
>
>
> Jude 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
> >
> > Still no speech, insmod still fails
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be
> > insmod speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no
> > speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> > make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> > > directory
> > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> > > directory
> > >
> > > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> > > speakup-soft?]
> > >
> > > speakup_soft   16384  1
> > > speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
> > > > update
> > > that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but
> > > I am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I
> > > was about 2 clean installs ago ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > > > System:
> > > >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > > > pty
> > > pts/0
> > > > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
> > > > systemctl s

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
/lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
>
> Still no speech, insmod still fails
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be 
> insmod speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no 
> speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or 
> > directory
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or 
> > directory
> >
> > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not 
> > speakup-soft?]
> >
> > speakup_soft   16384  1
> > speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version 
> > > update
> > that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but 
> > I am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I 
> > was about 2 clean installs ago ...
> > >
> > >
> > > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > > System:
> > >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > > pty
> > pts/0
> > > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$ 
> > > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software 
> > > speech output for Speakup
> > >  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; 
> > > enabled; vendor
> > preset: enabled)
> > >  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 
> > > 9min
> ago
> > >Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> > status=0/SUCCESS)
> > > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> > --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > >Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> > >   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> > >  Memory: 10.5M
> > > CPU: 183ms
> > >  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > >  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> > >
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output 
> > > for
> > Speakup...
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output 
> > > for
> > Speakup.
> > > david@ubuntu:~$
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > > To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' 
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
>

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
>
> Still no speech, insmod still fails
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be insmod
> speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no speech after
> that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> > directory
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> > directory
> >
> > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> > speakup-soft?]
> >
> > speakup_soft   16384  1
> > speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
> > > update
> > that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I
> > am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was
> > about 2 clean installs ago ...
> > >
> > >
> > > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > > System:
> > >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > > pty
> > pts/0
> > > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
> > > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
> > > speech output for Speakup
> > >  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > > vendor
> > preset: enabled)
> > >  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min
> ago
> > >Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> > status=0/SUCCESS)
> > > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> > --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > >Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> > >   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> > >  Memory: 10.5M
> > > CPU: 183ms
> > >      CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > >  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> > >
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
> > > for
> > Speakup...
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
> > > for
> > Speakup.
> > > david@ubuntu:~$
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > > To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ;
> > > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At
> > > least in
> > my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to
> > install it manually.
> > >
> > > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> > >
> > >
> > > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]

Still no speech, insmod still fails

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be insmod
speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no speech after
that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or 
> directory
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or 
> directory
>
> however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not 
> speakup-soft?]
>
> speakup_soft   16384  1
> speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version 
> > update
> that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I 
> am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was 
> about 2 clean installs ago ...
> >
> >
> > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > System:
> >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: 
> > pty
> pts/0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$ 
> > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software 
> > speech output for Speakup
> >  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; 
> > vendor
> preset: enabled)
> >  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min
ago
> >Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> status=0/SUCCESS)
> > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> >Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> >   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> >  Memory: 10.5M
> > CPU: 183ms
> >  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> >  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> >
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output 
> > for
> Speakup...
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output 
> > for
> Speakup.
> > david@ubuntu:~$
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ; 
> > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At 
> > least in
> my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to 
> install it manually.
> >
> > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> > System:Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> > bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
> > espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
> >   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; 
> > vendor preset: enabled)
> >   Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 
> > 22min
> ago
> > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
> >Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
> >   Memory: 6.3M
> >   CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> >   ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
> >
> > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: S

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be insmod
speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no speech after
that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or directory
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or directory
>
> however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not speakup-soft?]
>
> speakup_soft   16384  1
> speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version update
> that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I am
> still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was about 2
> clean installs ago ...
> >
> >
> > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > System:
> >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty
> pts/0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
> > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software speech
> > output for Speakup
> >  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor
> preset: enabled)
> >  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min ago
> >Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> status=0/SUCCESS)
> > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> >Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> >   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> >  Memory: 10.5M
> > CPU: 183ms
> >  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> >  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> >
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output for
> Speakup...
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output for
> Speakup.
> > david@ubuntu:~$
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ;
> > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At least in
> my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to install it
> manually.
> >
> > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> > System:Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> > bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
> > espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
> >   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > vendor preset: enabled)
> >   Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 22min
> ago
> > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
> >Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
> >   Memory: 6.3M
> >   CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> >   ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
> >
> > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software
> > speech output for Speakup...
> > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software speech
> > output for Speakup.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Volodymyr
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.
> > > I

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or directory
insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or directory

however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not speakup-soft?]

speakup_soft   16384  1
speakup   167936  1 speakup_soft

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version update
that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I am
still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was about 2
clean installs ago ...
>
>
> david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> System:
>   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty
pts/0
> Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$ 
> systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software speech 
> output for Speakup
>  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor
preset: enabled)
>  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min ago
>Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
status=0/SUCCESS)
> Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
--default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
>Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
>   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
>  Memory: 10.5M
> CPU: 183ms
>  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
>
> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output for
Speakup...
> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output for
Speakup.
> david@ubuntu:~$
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ; 
> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At least in
my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to install it
manually.
>
> Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
>
>
> dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> System:Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
>
>
> dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ? 
> espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
>   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; 
> vendor preset: enabled)
>   Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 22min
ago
> Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
>Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
>   Memory: 6.3M
>   CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>   ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
>
> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software 
> speech output for Speakup...
> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software speech 
> output for Speakup.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
> On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.  
> > It was suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the 
> > hardware I am about to be installing on [at work] but since I am 
> > testing on some different hardware [at home] I can't tell if that is 
> > true or not
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you 
> > want they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found 
> > slint far more straightforward to get this process working
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> > defense of liberty:
> >   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version update that 
> did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I am still 
> not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was about 2 clean 
> installs ago ...
>
>
> david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> System:
>   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/0
> Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)
> david@ubuntu:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service
> ? espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
>  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor 
> preset: enabled)
>  Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min ago
>Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited, 
> status=0/SUCCESS)
> Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=${default_voice} 
> (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
>Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
>   Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
>  Memory: 10.5M
> CPU: 183ms
>  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>  ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
>
> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output for 
> Speakup...
> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output for Speakup.
> david@ubuntu:~$
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ; 
> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At least in my 
> both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to install it 
> manually.
>
> Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
>
>
> dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> System:Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
>
>
> dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service
> ? espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
>   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> vendor preset: enabled)
>   Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 22min ago
> Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
>Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
>   Memory: 6.3M
>   CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>   ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
>
> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software speech
> output for Speakup...
> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software speech
> output for Speakup.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
> On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.  It was
> > suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the hardware I am
> > about to be installing on [at work] but since I am testing on some different
> > hardware [at home] I can't tell if that is true or not
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you want
> > they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found slint far more
> > straightforward to get this process working
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> > of liberty:
> >   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
> >> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging
> >> all the equipment along
> >>
> >> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily
> >> repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into
> >> switching th

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version update that 
did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I am still not 
getting speech on the console, which is about where I was about 2 clean 
installs ago ...


david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
System:
  Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/0
Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)
david@ubuntu:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service
● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor 
preset: enabled)
 Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min ago
   Docs: man:espeakup(8)
Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)
Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=${default_voice} 
(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
   Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
  Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
 Memory: 10.5M
CPU: 183ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
 └─798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=

Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output for 
Speakup...
Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output for Speakup.
david@ubuntu:~$

Am I missing something?

--David


-Original Message-
From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky  
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
To: David ; 'Jude DaShiell' ; 
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

Hi,


Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At least in my 
both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to install it 
manually.

Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:


dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
System:Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)


dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service
● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)
  Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 22min ago
Docs: man:espeakup(8)
Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
   Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
  Memory: 6.3M
  CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
  └─1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V

Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software speech 
output for Speakup...
Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software speech 
output for Speakup.




Best regards

Volodymyr



On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.  It was
> suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the hardware I am
> about to be installing on [at work] but since I am testing on some different
> hardware [at home] I can't tell if that is true or not
>
> --David
>
>   
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you want
> they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found slint far more
> straightforward to get this process working
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
>> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging
>> all the equipment along
>>
>> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily
>> repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into
>> switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something that would
>> hopefully work 'out of the box'
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jude DaShiell 
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
>> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>
>> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel
>> and version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got
>> generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu until after
>> installation and doing that isn't a trivial process either  It's a
>> matter of downloading the kernel image file then installing it over
>> the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.

Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Volodymyr Dorozhinsky]

Hi,


Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At least 
in my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to 
install it manually.


Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:


dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
System:    Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64 
bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0

   Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)


dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service
● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)

 Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET; 22min ago
   Docs: man:espeakup(8)
   Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
  Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
 Memory: 6.3M
 CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
 └─1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V

Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software speech 
output for Speakup...
Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software speech 
output for Speakup.





Best regards

Volodymyr



On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:

I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.  It was
suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the hardware I am
about to be installing on [at work] but since I am testing on some different
hardware [at home] I can't tell if that is true or not

--David

  
-Original Message-

From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you want
they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found slint far more
straightforward to get this process working



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:


Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging
all the equipment along

However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily
repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into
switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something that would
hopefully work 'out of the box'

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel
and version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got
generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu until after
installation and doing that isn't a trivial process either  It's a
matter of downloading the kernel image file then installing it over
the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best done by linux experts at the
linux user's group install linux club day meeting.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:


How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the
disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading
them to me]

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall
the speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing
modules is possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have
to build them correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed
and had done updatedb first then you could do locate speakup_soft
and find if you have that module in source code on your disk.
Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have blacklisted
all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the disk and would
have first to be removed from the blacklist then built and then
installed.  It's a complicated

process, just the way ubuntu wants it.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:


OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is

possible?

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel a

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.  It was
suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the hardware I am
about to be installing on [at work] but since I am testing on some different
hardware [at home] I can't tell if that is true or not

--David

 
-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you want
they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found slint far more
straightforward to get this process working



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an 
> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging 
> all the equipment along
>
> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily 
> repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into 
> switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something that would 
> hopefully work 'out of the box'
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel 
> and version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got 
> generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu until after 
> installation and doing that isn't a trivial process either  It's a 
> matter of downloading the kernel image file then installing it over 
> the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best done by linux experts at the 
> linux user's group install linux club day meeting.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the 
> > disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading 
> > them to me]
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall 
> > the speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing 
> > modules is possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have 
> > to build them correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed 
> > and had done updatedb first then you could do locate speakup_soft 
> > and find if you have that module in source code on your disk.  
> > Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have blacklisted 
> > all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the disk and would 
> > have first to be removed from the blacklist then built and then 
> > installed.  It's a complicated
> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is
possible?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of 
> > > the speakup modules.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used 
> > > in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> 

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you want
they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found slint far more
straightforward to get this process working



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an in-person
> meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging all the
> equipment along
>
> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily
> repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into
> switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something that would hopefully work
> 'out of the box'
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel and
> version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got generic kernel
> available you can't do it with ubuntu until after installation and doing
> that isn't a trivial process either  It's a matter of downloading the kernel
> image file then installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best
> done by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux club day
> meeting.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the
> > disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading them
> > to me]
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall the
> > speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing modules
> > is possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have to build
> > them correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed and had
> > done updatedb first then you could do locate speakup_soft and find if
> > you have that module in source code on your disk.  Alternatively
> > ubuntu in its customizations could have blacklisted all of the speakup
> > modules.  They would be on the disk and would have first to be removed
> > from the blacklist then built and then installed.  It's a complicated
> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the
> > > speakup modules.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't
> > > > appear the speakup module is there after the install, at least I
> > > > am unable to find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't
> > > > seems to be able to find it either
> > > >
> > > > From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and
> > > > wasn't able to, thus asking if someo

RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an in-person
meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for lugging all the
equipment along

However, from your description it does not sound like it is an easily
repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider looking into
switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something that would hopefully work
'out of the box'

--David

 
-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel and
version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got generic kernel
available you can't do it with ubuntu until after installation and doing
that isn't a trivial process either  It's a matter of downloading the kernel
image file then installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best
done by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux club day
meeting.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the 
> disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading them 
> to me]
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall the 
> speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing modules 
> is possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have to build 
> them correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed and had 
> done updatedb first then you could do locate speakup_soft and find if 
> you have that module in source code on your disk.  Alternatively 
> ubuntu in its customizations could have blacklisted all of the speakup 
> modules.  They would be on the disk and would have first to be removed 
> from the blacklist then built and then installed.  It's a complicated
process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the 
> > speakup modules.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't 
> > > appear the speakup module is there after the install, at least I 
> > > am unable to find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't 
> > > seems to be able to find it either
> > >
> > > From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and 
> > > wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step 
> > > instructions to make sure I didn't missed anything
> > >
> > > Thanks again ?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace 
> > > ubuntu with
> > another distribution.
> > > You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a 
> > > espeak.log to
> > each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish 
> > getting all of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that
way.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude 
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what kernel and
version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu hasn't got generic
kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu until after installation and
doing that isn't a trivial process either  It's a matter of downloading
the kernel image file then installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on
your disk.  Best done by linux experts at the linux user's group install
linux club day meeting.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the disk in,
> boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading them to me]
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall the
> speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing modules is
> possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have to build them
> correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed and had done updatedb
> first then you could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that module
> in source code on your disk.  Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations
> could have blacklisted all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the
> disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist then built and
> then installed.  It's a complicated process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the
> > speakup modules.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear
> > > the speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable
> > > to find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able
> > > to find it either
> > >
> > > From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and
> > > wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions
> > > to make sure I didn't missed anything
> > >
> > > Thanks again ?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace
> > > ubuntu with
> > another distribution.
> > > You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log
> > > to
> > each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting
> > all of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude 
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop the disk in,
boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is reading them to me]

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall the
speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing modules is
possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have to build them
correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed and had done updatedb
first then you could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that module
in source code on your disk.  Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations
could have blacklisted all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the
disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist then built and
then installed.  It's a complicated process, just the way ubuntu wants it.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the 
> speakup modules.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear 
> > the speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable 
> > to find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able 
> > to find it either
> >
> > From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and 
> > wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions 
> > to make sure I didn't missed anything
> >
> > Thanks again ?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace 
> > ubuntu with
> another distribution.
> > You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log 
> > to
> each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting 
> all of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.
> >
> >
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a reinstall the
speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you install missing modules is
possible if on your disk in source code but you'll have to build them
correctly first.  If you had mlocate package installed and had done
updatedb first then you could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have
that module in source code on your disk.  Alternatively ubuntu in its
customizations could have blacklisted all of the speakup modules.  They
would be on the disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist
then built and then installed.  It's a complicated process, just the way
ubuntu wants it.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the speakup
> modules.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear
> > the speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable to
> > find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to
> > find it either
> >
> > From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and wasn't
> > able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions to make
> > sure I didn't missed anything
> >
> > Thanks again ?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace ubuntu with
> another distribution.
> > You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log to
> each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting all
> of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.
> >
> >
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is possible?

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the speakup
modules.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear 
> the speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable to 
> find it in the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to 
> find it either
>
> From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and wasn't 
> able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions to make 
> sure I didn't missed anything
>
> Thanks again ?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky' 
> ; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace ubuntu with
another distribution.
> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log to
each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting all
of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.
>
>
> Jude 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
>
>


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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of the
speakup modules.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear the 
> speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable to find it in 
> the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to find it either
>
> From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and wasn't able 
> to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions to make sure I 
> didn't missed anything
>
> Thanks again ?
>
> --David
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky' ; 
> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace ubuntu with 
> another distribution.
> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log to each 
> command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting all of 
> these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.
>
>
> Jude 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
>
>

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't appear the 
speakup module is there after the install, at least I am unable to find it in 
the module list, and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to find it either

From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it and wasn't able to, 
thus asking if someone has step-by-step instructions to make sure I didn't 
missed anything

Thanks again 😊

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky' ; 
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace ubuntu with 
another distribution.
You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log to each 
command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting all of these 
failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.



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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace ubuntu with
another distribution.
You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a espeak.log to
each
command then read down through espeak.log once you finish getting all of
these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out that way.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

 

]0;root@ubuntu: ~root@ubuntu:~# systemctl status espeakup.service

[?1h=

[0;1;31m●[0m espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup[m

 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor 
pres[m[7m>[27m

 Active: [0;1;31mfailed[0m (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2023-02-06 
19:49:21 UTC; 26s [m[7m>[27m

   Docs: man:espeakup(8)[m

Process: 1748 ExecStart=/bin/sh -c modprobe speakup_soft && 
/usr/bin/espeak[m[7m>[27m

[m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: [0;1;39m[0;1;31m[0;1;39mespeakup.service: 
Control process exited, cod[m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: 
[0;1;38;5;185m[0;1;39m[0;1;38;5;185mespeakup.service: Failed with result 
'exit-co[m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: [0;1;31m[0;1;39m[0;1;31mFailed to start 
Software speech output for Sp[m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: espeakup.service: Scheduled restart job, 
rest[m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: Stopped Software speech output for Speakup.[m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: 
[0;1;38;5;185m[0;1;39m[0;1;38;5;185mespeakup.service: Start request repeated 
too [m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: 
[0;1;38;5;185m[0;1;39m[0;1;38;5;185mespeakup.service: Failed with result 
'exit-co[m[7m>[27m

Feb 06 19:49:21 ubuntu systemd[1]: [0;1;31m[0;1;39m[0;1;31mFailed to start 
Software speech output for Sp[m[7m>[27m

[7mlines 1-14/14 (END)[27m[K

[K 

[K[7mlines 1-14/14 (END)[27m[K

[K[?1l>]0;root@ubuntu: ~root@ubuntu:~# systemctl start espeakup.service

Job for espeakup.service failed because the control process exited with error 
code.

See "systemctl status espeakup.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.

]0;root@ubuntu: ~root@ubuntu:~# ei[Ke[K[Kexit

 

 

From: Ubuntu-accessibility  On 
Behalf Of Volodymyr Dorozhinsky
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 9:27 AM
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

 

Hi David,

 

I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install espeakup 
package successfully. Do You see any errors during its installation? If the 
package was successfully installed what is the output of:

 

systemctl status espeakup.service 

 

If the service is not running one should start it with:

 

sudo systemctl start espeakup.service 

 

Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console when orca 
is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am doing the 
following steps:

1. Login to graphical environment.

2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:

 

killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca

 

3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there. After 
login espeakup should talk.

 

 

Best regards

Volodymyr

 

 

On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:

 

Hi there –

 

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to work with 
ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error [that’s me!]

 

So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to install 
ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?

 

Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

 

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line interface 
with speakup 

 

Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

 

--David

 





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Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

if you have Voxin, voxinup is another ocnnector.

systemctl enable voxinup and you have console speech.


cheers

On 2/4/23 02:41, David wrote:


Hi there –

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to 
work with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error 
[that’s me!]


So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how 
to install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?


Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line 
interface with speakup


Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

--David

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

OK let me try that and see if it comes up

--David


-Original Message-
From: Jude DaShiell  
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 5:00 PM
To: David ; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

Default for speakup is speakup-soft and you don't mess around with any
lists.  You just do sysctl enable espeakup then reboot.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
>
> OK let me take another look tomorrow before I wipe out the whole thing 
> again, but from what I remember espeakup installed successfully, but I 
> am unable to find speakup_soft on the module list, and thus no speech
>
>
>
> I don?t want GUI anyway, so I was using server 22.04
>
>
>
> --David
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ubuntu-accessibility 
>  On Behalf Of Volodymyr 
> Dorozhinsky
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 9:27 AM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install
espeakup package successfully. Do You see any errors during its
installation? If the package was successfully installed what is the output
of:
>
>
>
> systemctl status espeakup.service
>
>
>
> If the service is not running one should start it with:
>
>
>
> sudo systemctl start espeakup.service
>
>
>
> Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console when
orca is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am doing the
following steps:
>
> 1. Login to graphical environment.
>
> 2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:
>
>
>
> killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca
>
>
>
> 3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there.
After login espeakup should talk.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi there ?
>
>
>
> After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to 
> work with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error 
> [that?s me!]
>
>
>
> So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to
install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?
>
>
>
> Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?
>
>
>
> I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line 
> interface with speakup
>
>
>
> Thank you very much in advance, talk soon
>
>
>
> --David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

Default for speakup is speakup-soft and you don't mess around with any
lists.  You just do sysctl enable espeakup
then reboot.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
>
> OK let me take another look tomorrow before I wipe out the whole thing again, 
> but from what I remember espeakup installed successfully, but I am unable to 
> find speakup_soft on the module list, and thus no speech
>
>
>
> I don?t want GUI anyway, so I was using server 22.04
>
>
>
> --David
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ubuntu-accessibility  On 
> Behalf Of Volodymyr Dorozhinsky
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 9:27 AM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install espeakup 
> package successfully. Do You see any errors during its installation? If the 
> package was successfully installed what is the output of:
>
>
>
> systemctl status espeakup.service
>
>
>
> If the service is not running one should start it with:
>
>
>
> sudo systemctl start espeakup.service
>
>
>
> Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console when 
> orca is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am doing the 
> following steps:
>
> 1. Login to graphical environment.
>
> 2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:
>
>
>
> killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca
>
>
>
> 3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there. 
> After login espeakup should talk.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi there ?
>
>
>
> After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to work with 
> ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error [that?s me!]
>
>
>
> So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to 
> install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?
>
>
>
> Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?
>
>
>
> I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line interface 
> with speakup
>
>
>
> Thank you very much in advance, talk soon
>
>
>
> --David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

Thank you, I will keep that in mind if I have to reinstall with the desktop 
option, but if I can install without X that would also save some disk space 
[not that it matters much with a large disk these days]

--David


-Original Message-
From: Ubuntu-accessibility  On 
Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 1:19 PM
To: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky ; 
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

systemctl set-default text.target
if I have this right should turn off the graphical environment except when 
started using startx.  This would allow espeak-ng or fenrir to come up in 
command line environment.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense of 
liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023, Volodymyr Dorozhinsky wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
> I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install 
> espeakup package successfully. Do You see any errors during its 
> installation? If the package was successfully installed what is the output of:
>
>
> systemctl status espeakup.service
>
>
> If the service is not running one should start it with:
>
>
> sudo systemctl start espeakup.service
>
>
> Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console 
> when orca is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am 
> doing the following steps:
>
> 1. Login to graphical environment.
>
> 2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:
>
>
> killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca
>
>
> 3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there.
> After login espeakup should talk.
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
> On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:
> >
> > Hi there ?
> >
> > After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to 
> > work with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error 
> > [that?s me!]
> >
> > So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how 
> > to install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?
> >
> > Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?
> >
> > I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line 
> > interface with speakup
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance, talk soon
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
>

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RE: installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

 

OK let me take another look tomorrow before I wipe out the whole thing again, 
but from what I remember espeakup installed successfully, but I am unable to 
find speakup_soft on the module list, and thus no speech

 

I don’t want GUI anyway, so I was using server 22.04 

 

--David

 

 

From: Ubuntu-accessibility  On 
Behalf Of Volodymyr Dorozhinsky
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 9:27 AM
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

 

Hi David,

 

I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install espeakup 
package successfully. Do You see any errors during its installation? If the 
package was successfully installed what is the output of:

 

systemctl status espeakup.service 

 

If the service is not running one should start it with:

 

sudo systemctl start espeakup.service 

 

Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console when orca 
is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am doing the 
following steps:

1. Login to graphical environment.

2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:

 

killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca

 

3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there. After 
login espeakup should talk.

 

 

Best regards

Volodymyr

 

 

On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:

 

Hi there –

 

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to work with 
ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error [that’s me!]

 

So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to install 
ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?

 

Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

 

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line interface 
with speakup 

 

Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

 

--David

 





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Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

systemctl set-default text.target
if I have this right should turn off the graphical environment except when
started using startx.  This would allow espeak-ng or fenrir to come up in
command line environment.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023, Volodymyr Dorozhinsky wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
> I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install espeakup
> package successfully. Do You see any errors during its installation? If the
> package was successfully installed what is the output of:
>
>
> systemctl status espeakup.service
>
>
> If the service is not running one should start it with:
>
>
> sudo systemctl start espeakup.service
>
>
> Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console when orca
> is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am doing the
> following steps:
>
> 1. Login to graphical environment.
>
> 2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:
>
>
> killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca
>
>
> 3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login there.
> After login espeakup should talk.
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Volodymyr
>
>
>
> On 2/3/23 16:41, David wrote:
> >
> > Hi there ?
> >
> > After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to work
> > with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error [that?s me!]
> >
> > So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to
> > install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?
> >
> > Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?
> >
> > I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line
> > interface with speakup
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance, talk soon
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
>

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Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Volodymyr Dorozhinsky]

Hi David,


I am currently using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04 and I've managed to install 
espeakup package successfully. Do You see any errors during its 
installation? If the package was successfully installed what is the 
output of:



systemctl status espeakup.service


If the service is not running one should start it with:


sudo systemctl start espeakup.service


Also what I've noticed is that espeakup will not talk in tty console 
when orca is running in graphical environment. So to make it work I am 
doing the following steps:


1. Login to graphical environment.

2. In graphical environment (Mate DE in my case) open a terminal and run:


killall orca # WARNING! This will terminate orca


3. Then switch to tty e.g. tty 3 by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3 and login 
there. After login espeakup should talk.




Best regards

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Hi there –

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to 
work with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error 
[that’s me!]


So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how 
to install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?


Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line 
interface with speakup


Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

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installing ubuntu with speakup

[David]

 

Hi there -

 

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to work
with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error [that's me!]

 

So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how to
install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?

 

Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

 

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line
interface with speakup 

 

Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

 

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Installing Ubuntu

[Glenn At Home]

Hi,
I have Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on a partition on a drive I took out of a computer, 
it's in a USB drive case,  and I am able to boot to it as if it were a live 
version.
I am trying to figure out how to install from this copy onto the same computer 
with a new drive in it.
I installed Ubiquity, but it crashes on start up.
Would it work to use DD and image the working copy to a partition?
Thanks for any ideas.

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Re: installing ubuntu 17.04 beta 2 unity

[Jude DaShiell]

Minimize orca then alt-tab and you should hear the installer.

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Hi, 
tried installing the ubuntu unity 17.04 beta 2, 
when it booted, i hear the drum sound. but windows+alt+s/super+alt+s, 
does nothing. ctrl+s too! so i tabbed, and enter, and it activated the 
try ubuntu button. once loaded, i tried launching orca and it did 
work, using orca 3.22.2. but when i go to desktop, hit enter on the 
install ubuntu icon, nothing. i hear nothing. but if i alt tab, orca 
speaks. but not the installer screen. any idea? 


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Hi,
tried installing the ubuntu unity 17.04 beta 2,
when it booted, i hear the drum sound. but windows+alt+s/super+alt+s,
does nothing. ctrl+s too! so i tabbed, and enter, and it activated the
try ubuntu button. once loaded, i tried launching orca and it did
work, using orca 3.22.2. but when i go to desktop, hit enter on the
install ubuntu icon, nothing. i hear nothing. but if i alt tab, orca
speaks. but not the installer screen. any idea?


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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[Rob Whyte]

I have not heard of a bios offering to boot partitions, only drives.
What is the motherboard or bios you are using?
You could re-install your windows boot loader and try to get that to
boot your Linux OS instead of it is that important to you.
Can you see any of the available options though, windows boot loader,
Grub or the Bios boot option menu?
thanks
Rob


On 11/01/16 13:41, blind Pete wrote:
> Brendan Perrine wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:46:51 -0600
>> "Glenn / Lenny"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Again,
>>> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up
>>> with an idea that might work. I just don't recall the installation steps
>>> to know for sure if I will get my option to do this step. I suspect that
>>> my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty partition
>>> will be /dev/sda2. Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB
>>> onto? If so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition,
>>> that I will only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second
>>> partition that my BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal. Any
>>> thoughts? Glenn
>> This may limit your options if say you forget your administrative
>> passwords as many guides suggest using grub to boot into rescue mode for
>> that for example
>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
> Bootable USB drives and DVDs will allow you to get at your main 
> installation if necessary, as long as you have not encrypted it.  
> If you have done that then you don't need my help.  
>
>
>> Grub also allows you to boot to sometimes an older kernel. I don't know if
>> your bios has this fucntionality.
>>
>> IF you are using the desktop installer you if you select something else in
>> the installation process it will allow to chose where to install grub as
>> well as many more advanced options. However you may need to know more
>> about filesystems as some like xfs or btrfs are not likely to have been
>> tested by the people who wrote your bios.  I would likely try to stay with
>> ext4 filesystem for doing this. As some other will likely be not tested
>> and could posibly have problems.


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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[blind Pete]

Brendan Perrine wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:46:51 -0600
> "Glenn / Lenny"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Again,
>> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up
>> with an idea that might work. I just don't recall the installation steps
>> to know for sure if I will get my option to do this step. I suspect that
>> my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty partition
>> will be /dev/sda2. Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB
>> onto? If so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition,
>> that I will only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second
>> partition that my BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal. Any
>> thoughts? Glenn
> 
> This may limit your options if say you forget your administrative
> passwords as many guides suggest using grub to boot into rescue mode for
> that for example
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password

Bootable USB drives and DVDs will allow you to get at your main 
installation if necessary, as long as you have not encrypted it.  
If you have done that then you don't need my help.  


> Grub also allows you to boot to sometimes an older kernel. I don't know if
> your bios has this fucntionality.
> 
> IF you are using the desktop installer you if you select something else in
> the installation process it will allow to chose where to install grub as
> well as many more advanced options. However you may need to know more
> about filesystems as some like xfs or btrfs are not likely to have been
> tested by the people who wrote your bios.  I would likely try to stay with
> ext4 filesystem for doing this. As some other will likely be not tested
> and could posibly have problems.
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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[blind Pete]

Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> Hi Again,
> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up
> with an idea that might work. I just don't recall the installation steps
> to know for sure if I will get my option to do this step. I suspect that
> my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty partition will
> be /dev/sda2. Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB onto? 

Yes.  Sensible choices are the MBR (which is not a partition at all) 
or the root partition of your linux installation.  Remember that you 
*NEED* some method to tell the boot process to jump to that partition, 
which you will have to organize yourself - Ubuntu won't do it for you.  
And the Grub people are strongly opposed to installing Grub to a 
partition because the housekeeping processes of some filing systems 
"fix" things in undesirable ways.  There are ways to make it work, 
if you want to.  

> If
> so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition, that I will
> only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second partition that
> my BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal. Any thoughts? Glenn

Are you using BIOS?  Or UEFI in legacy mode?  Or UEFI as UEFI?  

If you are using BIOS then LiLo works well, but is no longer 
maintained.  If you are using UEFI then rEFInd works well.  
These can be used instead of or as well as Grub, depending on 
taste.  What does your firmware offer you, a list of disks, 
or partitions, or bootable targets?  

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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[Luke Yelavich]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 06:46:51AM AEDT, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up with 
> an idea that might work.
> I just don't recall the installation steps to know for sure if I will get my 
> option to do this step.
> I suspect that my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty 
> partition will be /dev/sda2.
> Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB onto?

If you use the advanced partitioning method, then yes, you can choose where
Grub puts its loader. Bare in mind that unless you are using an EFI based
machine, your BIOS is not likely to let you select which partition to
boot. It will only boot that disk, and then whatever partition is marked
as active in the partition table will be booted.

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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[Brendan Perrine]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:46:51 -0600
"Glenn / Lenny"  wrote:

> Hi Again,
> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up with 
> an idea that might work.
> I just don't recall the installation steps to know for sure if I will get my 
> option to do this step.
> I suspect that my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty 
> partition will be /dev/sda2.
> Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB onto?
> If so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition, that I will 
> only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second partition that my 
> BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal.
> Any thoughts?
> Glenn

This may limit your options if say you forget your administrative passwords as 
many guides suggest using grub to boot into rescue mode for that for example 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password

Grub also allows you to boot to sometimes an older kernel. I don't know if your 
bios has this fucntionality. 

IF you are using the desktop installer you if you select something else in the 
installation process it will allow to chose where to install grub as well as 
many more advanced options. However you may need to know more about filesystems 
as some like xfs or btrfs are not likely to have been tested by the people who 
wrote your bios.  I would likely try to stay with ext4 filesystem for doing 
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Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi Again,
I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up with an 
idea that might work.
I just don't recall the installation steps to know for sure if I will get my 
option to do this step.
I suspect that my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty 
partition will be /dev/sda2.
Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB onto?
If so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition, that I will 
only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second partition that my 
BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal.
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Installing Ubuntu on a partition without GRUB

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi,
I just installed Windows 7 on a NUC PPYH, and its BIOS seems to present boot 
options for separate partitions.
During my install of Windows 7 from a USB stick, I messed up and wound up with 
two partitions, and one is a bit more than enough for Ubuntu.
With sighted assistance, I have found that since that there is two partitions, 
on boot up, I am presented with the option to choose between the two partitions.
My question is, can I install Ubuntu onto that partition without it installing 
GRUB, since I will not need it due to the BIOS selection.
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installing Ubuntu 14.04

[Lenny]

Hi,
I am trying to install Ubuntu 14.04, and I cannot get past the screen where 
I have to check for updates and agree to third-party software.
The continue box does not appear, the only two options are back or quit.
I can go back and forward again, but the window still has the same problem.
I am connected to my WIFI.
In fact, I was before I started the install, and it asked me to enter my 
router password again, and I did.
I did alt + F10 and noticed that I am indeed connected to my router.
What would cause this?
Thanks.

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Installing Ubuntu 13.04 with orca?

[Petra Ritter]

Hello,

Is it possible to install Ubuntu with Orca?
The first time I tray it I stared Orca by pressing  CTRL+S after the 
first scrren of the installer was displayed.
Orca was started without problems but it says always Installer not 
accessible or something like this.


How I start Orca so that It works in the Installer or how I can install 
Ubuntu 13.04?


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Re: Installing Ubuntu via Wubi and getting Orca up and running automatically

[Alan Bell]

hello, I am not completely certain about the wubi thing as I don't have 
Windows, but normally when installing 11.10 you boot the CD or USB 
image, wait for the sound of the drums, this means the ubiquity 
installer is started, then press ctrl+s to start orca, from there you 
can alt-tab back to the ubiquity window and proceed with the install or 
go to a live desktop.


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Installing Ubuntu via Wubi and getting Orca up and running automatically

[chris hallsworth]

Hello all.
First post to this list after being on here for a few days. I have 
joined as I want to get back into the world of Ubuntu. I am a former 
computer studies student, obtained a certificate as a result, so should 
be smart enough smiles.
Because I don't wish to use Ubuntu full time, I would rather install it 
in some safe environment, like via Wubi, the Ubuntu installer program 
for Windows. Now, I sort of have this to work, by choosing Braille in 
the accessibility part of the installer. However, when I reboot, I am 
asked to select a Braille display connection, like USB. Since I do not 
have one, do I choose exit and if so will Orca still come up 
automatically, both before and after log in?
I realize there is Vinux, but there is no real safe way to install, 
except in a virtual environment. This is good, however it is sometimes 
nice to try things on a physical set up, due to native hardware support, 
improved performance, etc.

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Re: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes

[UndiFineD]

2011/4/15 Jim Campbell :
> Hi Mattias,
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:45 AM, mattias  wrote:
>>
>> yes but how to change it because orca not running on login screen
>
> I'm sorry, I'm not as familiar with the accessibility tools. I just joined
> to make sure that I learned about these tools.
>
> Hopefully someone else will be able to be of more help with this.
>
> Jim

No I am sorry Jim, this is one of the issues unresolved
Which for natty seems even worse
As suggested on #ayatana the login screen needs work,
with accessible tools availability like orca, onboard
and others that need to be available there
like fingerprint login of face recognition

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Re: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes

[Jim Campbell]

Hi Mattias,

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:45 AM, mattias  wrote:

>  yes but how to change it because orca not running on login screen
>
>
> I'm sorry, I'm not as familiar with the accessibility tools. I just joined
to make sure that I learned about these tools.

Hopefully someone else will be able to be of more help with this.

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RE: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes

[mattias]

yes but how to change it because orca not running on login screen

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Hello Mattias,

Thank you for installing Ubuntu.  I'm sorry that you had difficulty with
Unity, or that you did not like it.

You can use the Gnome 2-style interface ("the old," as you refer to it). 

To use the previous-style interface, you will need to select the "Ubuntu
Classic" interface when you are logging in to Ubuntu.  When the login screen
comes up, select your user name, and then change the session from "Ubuntu"
to "Ubuntu Classic." 

The session chooser is in the bottom panel on the login screen. Remember
that the session chooser will only appear after you have selected your
username.

After you have changed the session, then enter your password, and press
Enter.

If this doesn't help you, please let us know.

Thanks very much!

Jim


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, mattias  wrote:


Yes i have successfuly do it today
But I hate unity or what the new interface are called
How to switch to the old


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Re: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes

[Jim Campbell]

Hello Mattias,

Thank you for installing Ubuntu.  I'm sorry that you had difficulty with
Unity, or that you did not like it.

You can use the Gnome 2-style interface ("the old," as you refer to it).

To use the previous-style interface, you will need to select the "Ubuntu
Classic" interface when you are logging in to Ubuntu.  When the login screen
comes up, select your user name, and then change the session from "Ubuntu"
to "Ubuntu Classic."

The session chooser is in the bottom panel on the login screen. Remember
that the session chooser will only appear after you have selected your
username.

After you have changed the session, then enter your password, and press
Enter.

If this doesn't help you, please let us know.

Thanks very much!

Jim

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> Yes i have successfuly do it today
> But I hate unity or what the new interface are called
> How to switch to the old
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Re: Installing ubuntu desktop hopefully Later

[Jude DaShiell]

Did you hit the space bar several times on boot up to get to the 
language selection menu?  You should know, ubuntu has been breaking 
accessibility for orca with some of its version releases and this also 
impacts vinux.  I'm thinking either vinux really is needed as a defense 
against ubuntu accessibility breaks.  That or maybe build a command line 
based system on debian with speakup then download and install gnome from 
gnome.org so you get the latest version with latest version of orca.  
The http://people.debian.org/~Sthibault/ website has isos of debian that 
will get speakup working in command line mode on sound card right out of 
the box too.  Hope this helps.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Martin McCormick wrote:

>   Yesterday, I downloaded ubuntu10.04 and it also comes
> right up but without sound. On this particular hardware, nothing
> has made any sound after 9.10 and I went up to 11.04.
> 
>   After running the alsa-info test, I can tell that the
> sound card is up, but those who are more expert than I am can
> probably tell more about the status of all the flags and
> registers that alsa-info.sh reports on.
> 
>   I thought the "simple mixer controls" all seemed set to
> similar values to what they are in ubuntu9.10 so I think the
> problem is that the software that  feeds data to the sound card,
> the actual audio data, is broken.
> 
>   One of the how-to descriptions for ubuntu10.10 said to
> wait for the "melody" to play after selecting the language about
> 5 minutes after booting the CD. On this system, there has never
> been so much as a click out of the audio port in 10.04, 10.10 or
> 11.04.
> 
>   The system seems solid on all the later versions except
> for the sound so I think this will be a pleasure to experiment
> with if there is a fix for the sound on this hardware.
> 
>   I do have an output for hwinfo if anybody can use it as
> I suspect there are other similar systems out there as this one
> is not the least bit exotic.
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Installing ubuntu desktop hopefully Later

[Martin McCormick]

Yesterday, I downloaded ubuntu10.04 and it also comes
right up but without sound. On this particular hardware, nothing
has made any sound after 9.10 and I went up to 11.04.

After running the alsa-info test, I can tell that the
sound card is up, but those who are more expert than I am can
probably tell more about the status of all the flags and
registers that alsa-info.sh reports on.

I thought the "simple mixer controls" all seemed set to
similar values to what they are in ubuntu9.10 so I think the
problem is that the software that  feeds data to the sound card,
the actual audio data, is broken.

One of the how-to descriptions for ubuntu10.10 said to
wait for the "melody" to play after selecting the language about
5 minutes after booting the CD. On this system, there has never
been so much as a click out of the audio port in 10.04, 10.10 or
11.04.

The system seems solid on all the later versions except
for the sound so I think this will be a pleasure to experiment
with if there is a fix for the sound on this hardware.

I do have an output for hwinfo if anybody can use it as
I suspect there are other similar systems out there as this one
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Re: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

[Martin McCormick]

Here is the alsa-info.sh output. 

I also tried ubuntu11.04 and it is also dead for sound.
Probably same reason.

upload=true&script=true&cardinfo=
!!
!!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60
!!

!!Script ran on: Tue Apr 12 02:32:06 UTC 2011


!!Linux Distribution
!!--

Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.10"


!!DMI Information
!!---

Manufacturer:  Dell Computer Corporation
Product Name:  Dimension 4600i  
Product Version:   


!!Kernel Information
!!--

Kernel release:2.6.35-22-generic
Operating System:  GNU/Linux
Architecture:  i686
Processor: unknown
SMP Enabled:   Yes


!!ALSA Version
!!

Driver version: 1.0.23
Library version:1.0.23
Utilities version:  1.0.23


!!Loaded ALSA modules
!!---

snd_intel8x0


!!Sound Servers on this system
!!

Pulseaudio:
  Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio)
  Running - Yes

ESound Daemon:
  Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd)
  Running - No


!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA
!!-

 0 [ICH5   ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5
  Intel ICH5 with AD1980 at irq 17


!!PCI Soundcards installed in the system
!!--

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) 
AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)


!!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Subsystem ID's
!!

00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24d5 (rev 02)
Subsystem: 1028:0174


!!Modprobe options (Sound related)
!!

snd-atiixp-modem: index=-2
snd-intel8x0m: index=-2
snd-via82xx-modem: index=-2
snd-usb-audio: index=-2
snd-usb-caiaq: index=-2
snd-usb-ua101: index=-2
snd-usb-us122l: index=-2
snd-usb-usx2y: index=-2
snd-cmipci: mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388
snd-pcsp: index=-2
snd-usb-audio: index=-2


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!!--

!!Module: snd_intel8x0
ac97_clock : 0
ac97_quirk : (null)
buggy_irq : N
buggy_semaphore : N
enable : N
id : (null)
index : -1
joystick : 0
spdif_aclink : 0
xbox : N


!!AC97 Codec information
!!---
--startcollapse--

0-0/0: Analog Devices AD1980

PCI Subsys Vendor: 0x1028
PCI Subsys Device: 0x0174

Flags: 30
Capabilities : -headphone out-
DAC resolution   : 20-bit
ADC resolution   : 16-bit
3D enhancement   : No 3D Stereo Enhancement

Current setup
Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB]
POP path : pre 3D
Sim. stereo  : off
3D enhancement   : off
Loudness : off
Mono output  : MIX
Mic select   : Mic1
ADC/DAC loopback : off
Double rate slots: 10/11
Extended ID  : codec=0 rev=0 AMAP LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 DRA VRA
Extended status  : LDAC SDAC CDAC VRA
PCM front DAC: 44100Hz
PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz
PCM LFE DAC  : 44100Hz
PCM ADC  : 44100Hz



AD18XX configuration
Unchained: 0x1000,0x,0x
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0:00 = 0090
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0:40 = 
0:42 = 
0:44 = 
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0:56 = 
0:58 = 
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0:66 = 
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0:72 = 000c
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0:76 = 7c20
0:78 = 
0:7a = 
0:7c = 4144
0:7e = 5370
--endcollapse--


!!ALSA Device nodes
!!-

crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116, 10 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/controlC0
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  9 Apr 12 02:21 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  8 Apr 12 02:26 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  7 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  6 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  5 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D3c
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  4 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D4p
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  3 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/seq
crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116,  2 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/timer

/dev/snd/by-path:
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  60 Apr 12 02:20 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 240 Apr 12 02:20 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Apr 12 02:20 pci-:00:1f.5 -> ../controlC0


!!Aplay/Arecord output
!!

APLAY

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: IC

Re: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

[Luke Yelavich]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 06:54:22AM EST, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had
> worked, but no sound resulted.

Martin, could you please follow the following instructions, so I can get some 
more information about you rhardware, please do this on a live CD where you 
cannot get sound working.

1. Download this file: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
2. Put it onto a USB stick, and boot into the live CD and mount ths tick as you 
did for your other script.
3. Run the script like so, so we save the info to a text file: bash 
/mnt/alsa-info.txt --no-upload --output /mnt/alsa-info.txt.
4. Attach the file to a message and send it to me, them...@ubuntu.com, or feel 
free to send it to the list if you would like.

If you could do this, that would be great.

Thanks.

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Re: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Almost for sure, pulse auio has got a part in this mess.

>   This is all very interesting. We have two video monitors in our 
> house with VGA connectors. One was easy to get to but very old. The 
> other is about ten years old and much more advanced. It turns out that 
> it is capable of syncing to multiple frame rates and it performs 
> flawlessly on the computer in question.
> 
>   It turns out that there is a perfect desktop that
> appears every time in both Vinux3.1 and the ubuntu live CD but
> both run totally silently which is kind of a bad thing, as sound
> is everything, here.
> 
>   I did try something kind of similar to what is discussed
> below in that I brought up the ubuntu9 version of orca that does
> talk and made a shell script using terminal to set the amixer
> controls that appear to be on and working and would contribute
> to hearing sound.
> 
>   The script is:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> amixer sset 'Master',0 100%,100% on,on
> amixer sset 'PCM',0 85%,85% on,on
> amixer sset 'Center',0 100%,100% on,on
>   
>   With my wife watching, I booted vinux3.1, typed
> Control-Alt-t to start the terminal and then performed sudo su -
> to be root.
> 
>   All that worked as expected so I plugged in the thumb
> drive that I had saved that script to, mounted it on /mnt and
> then typed:
> 
> sh /mnt/setmixer (the name of the file with those commands)
> 
>   The commands were accepted. When run on the working
> sound system in ubuntu9, they turned up the volume a bit because
> I set some sliders to 100%
> 
>   With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had
> worked, but no sound resulted.
> 
>   This is certainly not a vinux problem because the
> ubuntu10.10 live CD mimics the same behavior as near as I can
> tell. We get a perfect desktop. The language selection and
> calling of orca works on screen just like the instructions for
> starting it say, but no sound ever pours forth.
> 
>   I bet both will talk if I can monkey-wrench that sound
> card to actually be on and producing signals.
> 
>   There is only one sound card on the system and that is
> the on-board chip set that Dell uses.
> 
>   The hardware discovery process for sound has always been
> problematic through the years and here, it seems to prove that
> quote attributed to Mark Twain. "It's not what we don't know
> that hurts us, but what we know that just ain't so."
> 
> Jude DaShiell writes:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15
> > From: Albert Sten-Clanton 
> > To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-l...@gnome.org
> > Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop-  I Give Up! (fwd)
> > 
> > Greetings!
> > 
> > The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I 
> > had.
> > I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I
> > could play with the Unity desktop.  I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though,
> > thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide:
> 
> 



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Re: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

[Martin McCormick]

This is all very interesting. We have two video monitors
in our house with VGA connectors. One was easy to get to but
very old. The other is about ten years old and much more
advanced. It turns out that it is capable of syncing to multiple
frame rates and it performs flawlessly on the computer in
question.

It turns out that there is a perfect desktop that
appears every time in both Vinux3.1 and the ubuntu live CD but
both run totally silently which is kind of a bad thing, as sound
is everything, here.

I did try something kind of similar to what is discussed
below in that I brought up the ubuntu9 version of orca that does
talk and made a shell script using terminal to set the amixer
controls that appear to be on and working and would contribute
to hearing sound.

The script is:

#! /bin/sh
amixer sset 'Master',0 100%,100% on,on
amixer sset 'PCM',0 85%,85% on,on
amixer sset 'Center',0 100%,100% on,on

With my wife watching, I booted vinux3.1, typed
Control-Alt-t to start the terminal and then performed sudo su -
to be root.

All that worked as expected so I plugged in the thumb
drive that I had saved that script to, mounted it on /mnt and
then typed:

sh /mnt/setmixer (the name of the file with those commands)

The commands were accepted. When run on the working
sound system in ubuntu9, they turned up the volume a bit because
I set some sliders to 100%

With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had
worked, but no sound resulted.

This is certainly not a vinux problem because the
ubuntu10.10 live CD mimics the same behavior as near as I can
tell. We get a perfect desktop. The language selection and
calling of orca works on screen just like the instructions for
starting it say, but no sound ever pours forth.

I bet both will talk if I can monkey-wrench that sound
card to actually be on and producing signals.

There is only one sound card on the system and that is
the on-board chip set that Dell uses.

The hardware discovery process for sound has always been
problematic through the years and here, it seems to prove that
quote attributed to Mark Twain. "It's not what we don't know
that hurts us, but what we know that just ain't so."

Jude DaShiell writes:
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15
> From: Albert Sten-Clanton 
> To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-l...@gnome.org
> Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop-  I Give Up! (fwd)
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I 
> had.
> I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I
> could play with the Unity desktop.  I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though,
> thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide:

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RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15
From: Albert Sten-Clanton 
To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-l...@gnome.org
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop-  I Give Up! (fwd)

Greetings!

The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I had.
I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I
could play with the Unity desktop.  I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though,
thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide:

http://vinuxproject.org/getting-started-

  In particular, using the volume_keys command described in the section
about troubleshooting sound problems got me a talking Vinux.

I also note that I did not have sound after actually installing Vinux 3.1 on
my hard drive:  the sound settings that volume_keys allowed me to get didn't
carry over.  I used the instructions for storing the state of the sound card
found at 

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_for_the_blind>

With a change or two relevant to my then-new Vinux installation.  It worked.


Hope this is useful.

Al

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Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 4:14 AM
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Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd)





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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:21:45
From: Martin McCormick 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop-  I Give Up!

After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically
all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with
orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I
am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced
any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen
of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser
mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk,
etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab,
then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling
from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence.

The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease,
making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end
result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD.

The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1
bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody
and cricket sounds as it boots up.

The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and
one does hear "Welcome to orca."

The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however.
It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour
later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all
over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a
couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get
somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset
often anyway.

I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after
login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue
mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now,
installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting
to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and
orca running.

During one time when things were running, I installed and ran
memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems
to be working like it should.

I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I
think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10
and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that
the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system
and tries to work based on that.

My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times
and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard
drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the
onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way
to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer.

I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to
play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so
to speak.

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Re: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!

[Alex H.]

Hi,

Yes, try seeing if the sound is muted when Ubuntu comes up, it's
happened on an old HP notebook I had. As for 9.10, it's a nightmare
with Orca. I had the most issues with that release and it should be
avoided anyways as 10.10 is out.

Alex

On 4/7/11, Guy Schlosser  wrote:
> Hey there Martin, do not give up yet.  Have you asked your wife to look
> at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick)
> live CD?  I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however
> your sound is muted.  I have seen this on occasion when installing
> Ubuntu from the live CD.  In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting
> the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I
> hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again.
>
>
> Guy
>
>
> On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
>>  After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings,
>> basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing
>> that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system
>> running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The
>> ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although
>> it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the
>> booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser
>> mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously
>> reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things
>> would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed
>> by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if
>> something was happening, but more dead silence.
>>
>>  The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same
>> time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is
>> just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to
>> boot the ubuntu10.10 CD.
>>
>>  The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the
>> older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10
>> live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up.
>>
>>  The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to
>> start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca."
>>
>>  The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however.
>> It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes;
>> maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear
>> no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW
>> reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on
>> the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find
>> them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway.
>>
>>  I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to
>> talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system
>> wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just
>> end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as
>> to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11
>> has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca
>> running.
>>
>>  During one time when things were running, I installed
>> and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ
>> processor and it all seems to be working like it should.
>>
>>  I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely
>> tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When
>> trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on
>> ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery
>> mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to
>> work based on that.
>>
>>  My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup
>> several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound
>> is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot
>> order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a
>> 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other
>> than to choose a 1-meg buffer.
>>
>>  I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10
>> refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't
>> remember where it was, so to speak.
>>
>
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Re: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!

[Guy Schlosser]

Hey there Martin, do not give up yet.  Have you asked your wife to look 
at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) 
live CD?  I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however 
your sound is muted.  I have seen this on occasion when installing 
Ubuntu from the live CD.  In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting 
the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I 
hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again.



Guy


On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:

After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings,
basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing
that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system
running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The
ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although
it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the
booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser
mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously
reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things
would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed
by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if
something was happening, but more dead silence.

The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same
time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is
just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to
boot the ubuntu10.10 CD.

The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the
older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10
live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up.

The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to
start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca."

The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however.
It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes;
maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear
no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW
reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on
the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find
them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway.

I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to
talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system
wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just
end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as
to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11
has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca
running.

During one time when things were running, I installed
and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ
processor and it all seems to be working like it should.

I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely
tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When
trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on
ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery
mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to
work based on that.

My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup
several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound
is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot
order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a
8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other
than to choose a 1-meg buffer.

I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10
refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't
remember where it was, so to speak.




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Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!

[Martin McCormick]

After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings,
basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing
that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system
running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The
ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although
it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the
booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser
mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously
reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things
would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed
by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if
something was happening, but more dead silence.

The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same
time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is
just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to
boot the ubuntu10.10 CD.

The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the
older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10
live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up.

The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to
start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca."

The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however.
It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes;
maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear
no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW
reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on
the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find
them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway.

I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to
talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system
wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just
end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as
to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11
has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca
running.

During one time when things were running, I installed
and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ
processor and it all seems to be working like it should.

I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely
tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When
trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on
ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery
mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to
work based on that.

My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup
several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound
is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot
order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a
8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other
than to choose a 1-meg buffer.

I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10
refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't
remember where it was, so to speak.

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ubuntu Live CD's Installing ubuntu desktop

[Martin McCormick]

Rather than installing ubuntu8 and then attempting to upgrade to
9 and then 10, I downloaded ubuntu9.10 and tried that to see if
it would work. Part of the problem turned out to be that the
monitor I am using appears to not be able to handle anything
but standard VGA signals. When the boot process starts, the
screen goes completely random with all kinds of colors and
squiggles but I did get orca to speak and one could almost feel
a palpable optimism until a few minutes later when the whole
system froze up and I had to start that whole bootup process
again.

This appears to be a rather frequent state of affairs as
it took multiple runs at the installation process before it
seemed to finally complete without just going off in to
never-never land.

What I have is a system that almost works except for
these intermittent crashes that may happen 5 minutes or 5 hours
after startup. One will be typing along and then you don't hear
a keystroke echoed nor anything else and it's game over and
reboot.

The notes on upgrading from 9.10 say the following:

 * Significant numbers of people with NVIDIA and ATI graphics boards
   have been seeing problems, so you might want to delay your upgrade
   until the following issue is resolved:
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/464591

I haven't gotten there yet to read that report, but this system
has an NVIDIA board in it.

My experience with ubuntu, so far, has been fabulous so
I have faith that this problem will be resolved, but right now,
it's driving me nuts.

Is it okay to ssh in to the system, using a
command-line, to do the upgrade process as I just don't trust it
to stay up long enough to complete tasks that, if half done,
mean a complete restart from scratch again.

This all looks like it is going to be really great if it
can be made stable.

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installing Ubuntu

[Glenn Ervin]

Hi,
I am using Ubuntu 10.04 and the Orca that came with it, and I am trying to 
install from the live CD, and in the partition part, Orca does not explain 
what is checked and not checked.
I am trying to figure out the partition part of this before I proceed with 
the install, but there just is no  way I can tell what I am about to do to 
my partition.
It only says:
"don't use combo box, and I arrow through some partition types, like xfs, 
and swap, and fat, and so on.
Can anyone perhaps help me with this part?
I have installed Ubuntu before, but this part of the install is different 
from before.
Thanks.
Glenn 





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Installing Ubuntu 10.4 server edition with braille

[Regina Reusser]

Hi

I want to install Ubuntu 10.4 server edition. After booting I choose braille 
terminal. My braille display starts but then shows "screen not in text mode", 
even if I set the kernel parameter to vga = normal. It still starts searching 
the frame buffer after the config of the braille terminal. What's the problem?

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installing ubuntu karmik

[Josh]

Hi,

To install Ubuntu karmik, can I just use the installer on the desktop with 
orca? or do I have to do the whole sudo orca sudo ubiquity thing? you can email 
me about this at jkenn...@gmail.com


Josh

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installing ubuntu 9.04 desktop in vmware fusion

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi all.
Have anyone out there any tips or help how to install ubuntu 9.04 in
vmware fusion on a mac? windows xp runs perfect but I can't get ubuntu
to work.
If I select manual install I can select accessabillity profile but
when ubuntu starts from the cd the startup sound plays very fast and
orca speaks to fast too. It sounds so anyway and there is a lot of
pops from the soundcard.
So I can't hear anything what orca saying and can't perform a install.
If I try to go direct to the installer without running ubuntu from the
cd I get no speech at all.
I tried the pre-configured install in vmware fusion and after that
install startup sound sounds ok but orca doesn't work as I expected. I
think it have to do with the accessabillity profile wich is not
enabled in the pre-configured install.
So, how can I get a working ubuntu 9.04 on vmware fusion?
Any idea?
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RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Garry Turkington]

Hi,

When I've had previous Ubuntu versions (8.10, 8.04 and earlier) installed 
under VMware I didn't have any of the particular quirks I've got with 
9.04.

Two additional points though:

1. I discovered that though the drumbeat start-up sound no longer plays 
automatically at the login screen hitting escape does trigger it.

2. From others on this list if you use the live CD or install with Orca 
support then your 9.04 experience seems to be much less painful.  I did a 
VMware smart install on 9.04 however which meant I needed to get sound 
working the hard way.

Cheers,
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On Sun, 31 May 2009, Chris Meredith wrote:

>
> Were these oddities particular to 9.04?  As I mentioned, I'm not running
> into these issues with the live CD of Vinux, and the live CD of 9.04 has
> sound but at a very low level (not muted, however).
> -Original Message-
> From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Garry
> Turkington
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:30 PM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation
>
> Hi,
>
> I've had 9.04 desktop successfully installed under VMware Workstation.  2
> things of note:
>
> 1. The prior startup sound of a few drumbeats is gone.
> 2. On first boot and subsequent boots the system volume is set to a low
> level and also muted.
>
> I've managed to get Orca working but no matter what I do the sound is
> always muted and reset on each boot.  I hadn't considered if maybe it was
> a peculiarity of the virtualized sound device but I guess anything is
> possible...
>
> Garry
>
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>
> On Sun, 31 May 2009, Chris Meredith wrote:
>
>> It's been a while or three since I've played with Linux.  I'm at a
>> "Username:" prompt, but more than that's impossible to tell.  I should
> still
>> be getting the Ubuntu startup sound, even without Orca, should I not?
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Nolan Darilek [mailto:no...@thewordnerd.info]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:49 PM
>> To: Chris Meredith
>> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/31/2009 04:37 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:
>>
>> Wow.  I'm getting . actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what I do,
>> with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't maybe
>> download the server edition in error.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you at least tell if GNOME has launched? If so then you've definitely
>> got the desktop edition.
>>
>>
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RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Chris Meredith]

Were these oddities particular to 9.04?  As I mentioned, I'm not running
into these issues with the live CD of Vinux, and the live CD of 9.04 has
sound but at a very low level (not muted, however).
-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Turkington
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:30 PM
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

Hi,

I've had 9.04 desktop successfully installed under VMware Workstation.  2 
things of note:

1. The prior startup sound of a few drumbeats is gone.
2. On first boot and subsequent boots the system volume is set to a low 
level and also muted.

I've managed to get Orca working but no matter what I do the sound is 
always muted and reset on each boot.  I hadn't considered if maybe it was 
a peculiarity of the virtualized sound device but I guess anything is 
possible...

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On Sun, 31 May 2009, Chris Meredith wrote:

> It's been a while or three since I've played with Linux.  I'm at a
> "Username:" prompt, but more than that's impossible to tell.  I should
still
> be getting the Ubuntu startup sound, even without Orca, should I not?
>
>
>
> From: Nolan Darilek [mailto:no...@thewordnerd.info]
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:49 PM
> To: Chris Meredith
> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation
>
>
>
> On 05/31/2009 04:37 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:
>
> Wow.  I'm getting . actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what I do,
> with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't maybe
> download the server edition in error.
>
>
>
> Can you at least tell if GNOME has launched? If so then you've definitely
> got the desktop edition.
>
>

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RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Garry Turkington]

Hi,

I've had 9.04 desktop successfully installed under VMware Workstation.  2 
things of note:

1. The prior startup sound of a few drumbeats is gone.
2. On first boot and subsequent boots the system volume is set to a low 
level and also muted.

I've managed to get Orca working but no matter what I do the sound is 
always muted and reset on each boot.  I hadn't considered if maybe it was 
a peculiarity of the virtualized sound device but I guess anything is 
possible...

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On Sun, 31 May 2009, Chris Meredith wrote:

> It's been a while or three since I've played with Linux.  I'm at a
> "Username:" prompt, but more than that's impossible to tell.  I should still
> be getting the Ubuntu startup sound, even without Orca, should I not?
>
>
>
> From: Nolan Darilek [mailto:no...@thewordnerd.info]
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:49 PM
> To: Chris Meredith
> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation
>
>
>
> On 05/31/2009 04:37 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:
>
> Wow.  I'm getting . actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what I do,
> with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't maybe
> download the server edition in error.
>
>
>
> Can you at least tell if GNOME has launched? If so then you've definitely
> got the desktop edition.
>
>

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RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Chris Meredith]

It's been a while or three since I've played with Linux.  I'm at a
"Username:" prompt, but more than that's impossible to tell.  I should still
be getting the Ubuntu startup sound, even without Orca, should I not?

 

From: Nolan Darilek [mailto:no...@thewordnerd.info] 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:49 PM
To: Chris Meredith
Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

 

On 05/31/2009 04:37 PM, Chris Meredith wrote: 

Wow.  I'm getting . actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what I do,
with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't maybe
download the server edition in error.

 

Can you at least tell if GNOME has launched? If so then you've definitely
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Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Nolan Darilek]

On 05/31/2009 04:37 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:


Wow.  I'm getting ... actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what 
I do, with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I 
didn't maybe download the server edition in error.



Can you at least tell if GNOME has launched? If so then you've 
definitely got the desktop edition.


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RE: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Chris Meredith]

Wow.  I'm getting . actually no audio whatsoever, regardless of what I do,
with this edition of Ubuntu.  I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't maybe
download the server edition in error.

 

From: Ignasi Cambra [mailto:ignasicam...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Chris Meredith
Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

 

I tried the same with VMware running on a Mac, and for some reason the audio
was broken for Ubuntu. I knew that Orca was talking, because sometimes a
little bit of word could be heard, but nothing else... I didn't really need
to use Ubuntu much at the time, plus I have an other Linux box, so I just
gave up on it.

 

Ignasi

On May 31, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:





Greetings.

 

As the subject line suggests, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu under VMWare
on Windows 7.  Having availed myself of the Easy Install option, I appear to
have the OS installed, but not only does Orca not come up talking, but I
appear to be at a console "username" prompt-at least from what I can get by
running a screenshot of the VM through OCR.  Does Easy Install not install
all of the components?  Should I be installing manually?  Should I use a
distro other than that from the Ubuntu site?

 

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Re: Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Ignasi Cambra]

I tried the same with VMware running on a Mac, and for some reason the  
audio was broken for Ubuntu. I knew that Orca was talking, because  
sometimes a little bit of word could be heard, but nothing else... I  
didn't really need to use Ubuntu much at the time, plus I have an  
other Linux box, so I just gave up on it.


Ignasi
On May 31, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Chris Meredith wrote:


Greetings.

As the subject line suggests, I’m attempting to install Ubuntu under  
VMWare on Windows 7.  Having availed myself of the Easy Install  
option, I appear to have the OS installed, but not only does Orca  
not come up talking, but I appear to be at a console “username”  
prompt—at least from what I can get by running a screenshot of the  
VM through OCR.  Does Easy Install not install all of the  
components?  Should I be installing manually?  Should I use a distro  
other than that from the Ubuntu site?


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Issues with installing Ubuntu 9.04 under VMWare Workstation

[Chris Meredith]

Greetings.

 

As the subject line suggests, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu under VMWare
on Windows 7.  Having availed myself of the Easy Install option, I appear to
have the OS installed, but not only does Orca not come up talking, but I
appear to be at a console "username" prompt-at least from what I can get by
running a screenshot of the VM through OCR.  Does Easy Install not install
all of the components?  Should I be installing manually?  Should I use a
distro other than that from the Ubuntu site?

 

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Network Problems When Installing Ubuntu on XP Machine

[Peter Torpey]

Although this problem is rectified now (I don't know how), I thought it was
worth reporting to the list to see if anyone has any ideas what is going on.

 

My setup is Windows XP Pro running on a Dell desktop, 2.66 GHz CPU, XP Pro,
1.25 GB Ram, 3 Hard disk partitions each about 100 GB.

 

What I did:

 

1.Booted from the Ubuntu 9.04 CD and installed Ubuntu.  This went
well with Orca (although I used sighted assistance to make sure Ubuntu wound
up on the correct partition and didn't wipe out Windows!).

2.   After the reboot, Ubuntu worked fine.

3.   I then rebooted into Windows and ran into a big problem.  I could
not establish any network connection.  Windows kept saying that my Ethernet
cable was unplugged (which is wasn't).

4.   I tried various settings, updating drivers, etc.  Nothing worked.
I tried restarting and booting into Windows again.  Still, n no luck.

5.   This had happened to me once before when installing Ubuntu with
Wubi, i.e., I lost all network connectivity in Windows.  I had to reinstall
my Windows disk image to get things working again (fortunately I had made a
disk image!).

6.   Finally, on a lark, I rebooted into Ubuntu and ran Firefox to see
if the network connection in Ubuntu worked.

7.   To my surprise, I ea easily got onto the web and could navigate
around.

8.   So, I restarted the computer again and booted into Windows.

9.   Now, the network connections in Windows worked fine.  I was able to
search the web, get mail, etc.

So, what is it about the install of Ubuntu that seems to knock out Windows
networking?  Also, why was it that establishing a network connection once in
Ubuntu suddenly enabled network connectivity in Windows?  I wouldn't have
thought that installing Ubuntu as a secondary boot on a separate partition
should have affected any Windows driver or settings.

 

Well, at least the problem is fixed now, but it was very frustrating and
disconcerting.

 

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Re: Installing ubuntu 9.04 with braille support

[Mgr. Janusz Chmiel]

Dear syr,

It is possible to install latest official release of Ubuntu Jaunty by using 
braille device. The condition is, that Your model of braille display is 
supported by The Brltty application. The braille devices connected throught The 
serial port will require special command line parameters. For important 
information about those situations, study The Brltty home page and The brltty 
documentation.

http://mielke.cc/brltty

Brltty will be able to automatically display correctly characters on Your 
braille display according to The installed language. But may be, that You will 
have to install special language updates. I experienced crashes of Ubuntu, 
white screen displaied after performing those language updates. So i had to do 
it for more than six times to have success. 

For visually impaired, it will be necessary to perform some administrative 
tasks outside running Gnome, on A console, i will try to find safe way for 
terminating Gnome environment and to work with a console. Console screen 
reader, Yasr and Brltty is awaylable for those situations.


And now The procedure.

I did not tested alternate installation Cd, but i tested this procedure with 
official release of Ubuntu Jaunty, not with latest daily live build.

So follow my instructions.

Insert Your burned CD with Ubuntu Jaunty official release.

Boot this CD, when Cd will stop working, press Enter key.

Then press F5 function key
Then press number 3, not on Your numeric keypad.

Press Enter key.
Press down arrow key for once.
Press enter again and patiently wait, until You will hear install frame 
message, not press keys when welcome to Orca message will be speaked to You.

Then press
CTRL+ALT+F2
Type
sudo su
Press Enter

brltty
Press enter

Or brltty with command line options, which are specific for Your model of 
braille display. And press Enter again.
If Your braille device is USB compatible, Brltty should recognize it 
automatically. When you will be able to read characters on Your braille device, 
press CTRL+ALT+F7

You will be back in to installation program for Ubuntu Jaunty.

Press insert+space
For recalling orca preferences dialog box.

Navigate to The OK button. Orca should after several seconds start to 
communicate with YOur braille device. If You will not want to have speech 
support, simply disable it by pressing INsert+S.

This procedure is i think very safe and would not cause any crashes during 
installation process.

Please let me know, if this procedure will be usable for YOu.

The kindness regards.

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Installing ubuntu 9.04 with braille support

[Sauro Cesaretti]

Hi all,
 
I'm planning to install ubuntu 9.04 in my laptop.
I'd like to ask you if it's possible to use the alternate disk with text
mode installer using brltty support.
I remember that it was possible in ubuntu 7.04 but it didn't work in version
8.10.
what is the situation at the moment?
Could you give me some indications please?
Is there another way to install it autonomously using braille or speech
support?
thank you very much in advance
regards, Sauro
 
 
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Installing Ubuntu 9.04 using speech only

[Peter Torpey]

Is it possible to install Ubuntu 9.04 using speech only and get everything
running?

 

If so, how?  I haven't seen anything on the install CD that indicates how to
do this.

 

Thanks.

 

n  Pete

e-mail: ptor...@rochester.rr.com

 

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Re: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to

[Francisco Javier Dorado Martinez (tiflolinux)]

Hi to all

The problem with password causing Orca to doesn't respond is the
gksu/gksudo utilities they are killers :-)

I usually kill them after entering my password and everything goes well.
Although I know that kiling this I am in security problem, but I prefer
this more than don't access to apps. So I have created a short bash
script that simply killall gksu and gksudo
and attached it to a keybinding.
enter a password for gksu after pressing enter key I press my shortcut
key and no problem with a11y and at's.

I don't know exactly what is the problem, why gksu and gksudo apps are
blocking assistive technologies, I think that is related to keyboard
grab, or IPC techniques but something might be done in gksu to avoid
this

Regards and go on on Ubuntu a11y, every six months it rocks more, thanks
Luke!

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Re: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to

[Hammer Attila]

Dear List!

I have some ydeas, I hope helps:
Mike, what happen if you put the .pulse_a11y_nostart file in the
/etc/skel directory and after this you create another user account?
When you create another user account, all files and directoryes copyed
in the /etc/skel directory to the new user home directory.
Luke, possible doing my following suggestions (I tryed and works)?
1. If the accessibility mode selected with any option with the live cd
boot, please copy the entire /home/ubuntu/.gconf directory to /etc/skel
directory.
If you doing this method and the admin user create new user account, the
new user gets an accessible profile and Orca starts automaticaly when
the new user was logged in. I use this method for the BeLin release
(similar distribution with Vinux) and works fine.
2. If this method is possible doing, copy the .pulse_a11y_nostart file
with the /etc/skel directory.
3. If possible but not critical need, please add following commands with
shortcut (now default no have shortcut key this commands):
Launch terminal: Ctrl+Alt+t
Open home directory: Ctrl+Shift+h
Launch Webbrowser: Ctrl+Alt+w
Launch e-mail client: Ctrl+Alt+m
Launch Orca Screen Reader: Ctrl+Alt+O

If need, I sending the need of gconf keys.

I hope this modifications is not a security risk, but producing better
integration result.
If doing this modifications with 1 and 2 suggestions, the new created
user not need doing accessibility configuring tasks with no speech:
gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/at/visual/startup true
gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/gksu/disable-grab true
creating a .pulse_a11y_nostart file.

Thougs?

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Re: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to

[nolan]

On 03/31/2009 12:12 PM, mike wrote:
> 1, The audio sounds like it is speeding up at times when the system logs in. 
> This has been the case for a while, but Orca works fine.
>

I think this is an artifact of the switch back to ALSA. It goes away 
when I install a pulse/SD stack. Hopefully pulse will eventually be 
snappy and stable enough such that SD can use it as effectively as ALSA, 
but that's outside of any one group's control.

> 2, The adman apps are still not accessible from the user account like they 
> are on the live CD. If Luke's fix was suppose to fix this, it isn't working 
> yet.
>

In my experience, they're inaccessible if prompted for a password, but 
seem to work if this step is skipped. I ran synaptic, was prompted for 
and entered a password, then lost access. When I logged back in, the 
authentication info must have been cached or something, because no 
password was requested and the app was accessible. If sudo shares the 
same caching mechanism, it may be possible to sudo something first to 
authenticate, then run the app. Hopefully this resolves point #3 below. 
This would also explain why theyy work from the CD; presumably you 
weren't prompted for a password there.

Similarly, I found something else that was a bit bothersome. When 
accessing an admin app, I can't seem to switch away to anything else and 
have access. This is easy to duplicate in the installer. Often I'd start 
an install then realize that I'd forgotten to configure Orca to use the 
laptop layout, but I'd be unable to start the preferences UI and switch 
back to the installer. This made things especially difficult in the 
final step, because the progress display doesn't update when reviewed, 
and it'd be nice to switch away from and back to the dialog to read an 
update.

I encountered this issue today when Orca crashed in a Synaptic session. 
I relaunched Orca using my hotkey, only I couldn't either access the 
current app or switch away.



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here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to

[mike]

   Hi, I installed the latest live CD today and discovered three things.
1, The audio sounds like it is speeding up at times when the system logs in. 
This has been the case for a while, but Orca works fine.
2, The adman apps are still not accessible from the user account like they are 
on the live CD. If Luke's fix was suppose to fix this, it isn't working yet.
3, I enabled the root account so I could use some of those apps, and found when 
I ran Orca from that account it isn't usable. Apparently pulse audio is only 
disabled for the user account created when you install the system. I haven't 
tried this yet, but if pulse is also enabled for any account you create this is 
going to be a problem for those creating accounts for other people if they need 
access to those accounts.
Other than that, 9.04 seems to be working fine.
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Re: workaround for installing ubuntu 8.10?

[Mgr. Janusz Chmiel]

Oh Yes,

Only Ubuntu 8.04 hardy Heron was able to automatically launch installation 
program from A boot menu, when user pressed F5, choosed accessibility choice 
for running orca, pressed enter again and thenn user choosed install by 
pressing down arrow for once. But because probably At-spi architecture is 
working differently for Intrepid, todays live CD version of Ubuntu, it will 
be necessary to launch installation program as A root user. In earlyer 
versions, users had reverse problem, Orca runned as a Ubuntu user, and 
installation program run like a Root. Now, is probably all working 
viceversa, but problem is similar, Orca and installation program are working 
as A different user accounts. There is may be one possibility.

Please, try to normally boot to A gnome without trying to access 
accessibility options by pressing F5. After Gnome will be completely loaded 
in The RAM, press Alt+F2, run Orca, complete setup questions, do not answer 
yes when Orca will ask You to logout, press Enter key instead and then press 
CTRL+ALT+Backspace to restart our popular Xserver, Gnome.

After Gnome will be loaded, run Orca again, YOu should hear The Speech.

Then try to type exactly A following command to The edit field inside run 
application dialog box accessed by pressing ALT+F2.

sudo ubiquity --desktop %kgtk_ui

Will Orca provide speech support inside installation program? If no, try to 
create The desktop icon in Gnome and save this link to a USB flash drive, 
and try to use command line which I wrought previously for creating this 
desktop icon.

If You will not be able to use installation program, try The last think, run 
The command from A terminal window,

Activate this Window by activating run application dialog box and type

gnome-terminal

And when terminal window will appear, type A command, which I described 
previously.

Please if someone will receive error, describe this here, please provide Me 
a Feetback.

The kindness regards.

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workaround for installing ubuntu 8.10?

[Simon Eigeldinger]

Hi all,

I am Simon from Austria.
I am new in this list but I installed and used Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 
before. I also used Debian for my old server a few years ago. So I 
know a little bit about linux but i am still a newbie somehow. :-)

I saw in the archive that there are some issues with the ubuntu 
installer in the official release.
Are we able actually to install ubuntu 8.10 somehow or does it not 
work?

Greetings from Austria,
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Installing Ubuntu Server with Speakup

[E.J. Zufelt]

Good evening,

Can someone please tell me if there is an accessible installation for Ubuntu 
Server?  I would imagine this to likely implement Speakup.

Thank you,
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Installing Ubuntu 8.04

[Christian]

Hi there,
Can someone please tell me how ot isntall the Ubuntu 8.04 live CD using Orca?
Many thanks,
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Re: installing ubuntu with windows

[Carlos Diógenes]

Hi,

I think that you have some alternatives:

* Use the Ubuntu LiveCD partition editor to resize the windows partition.
* Use VirtualBox (a virtual machine, so you can install many operating
systems over windows as you want)
* Or try Wubuntu. I only read about it, but don't know how it's works,
but AFAICT, this does what you want.

Best regards,
Carlos.

2008/1/11, mike coulombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi, here is my situation. I may be getting a laptop with windows vista on it. 
> Normally I format the drive and install windows, leaving free space for 
> ubuntu. Then I simply tell the installer to use the free space.
> However, This unit has the restore for windows on the hard drive, so I can't 
> completely format and partition the drive.
>I have heard that ubuntu can run on the same partition as windows, but 
> have never done this. Does anyone know how I would set this up.
>I saw a windows install program on the CD, but it only seems to create a 
> directory and copy a few files to it. How do you install ubuntu and get the 
> system to boot into it this way.
> Thanks Mike.
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installing ubuntu with windows

[mike coulombe]

Hi, here is my situation. I may be getting a laptop with windows vista on it. 
Normally I format the drive and install windows, leaving free space for ubuntu. 
Then I simply tell the installer to use the free space.
However, This unit has the restore for windows on the hard drive, so I can't 
completely format and partition the drive.
   I have heard that ubuntu can run on the same partition as windows, but have 
never done this. Does anyone know how I would set this up.
   I saw a windows install program on the CD, but it only seems to create a 
directory and copy a few files to it. How do you install ubuntu and get the 
system to boot into it this way.
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slightly ot installing ubuntu with windows

[aerospace1028]

greetings all,
I'm getting ready to instal ubuntu on my test machine.  I am interested in 
finding out about establishing a duel boot system.  From what I understand, it 
is possible to partitian an existing windows harddrive and load ubuntu onto one 
of the partitians.
I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find more information about this 
process?  especially any difficulties (in general and orca related) or things 
that could go wrong before I make the disicion to go with a duel instal or wipe 
out windows and go all ubuntu.
Thank you
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Re: installing ubuntu via text with speech (not gnome): e.g. speakup, yasr, etc.

[Jude DaShiell]

The kernel that was causing problems for speakup was itself later found 
defective and withdrawn.  That if memory serves was 2.6.22 and that was 
replaced with 2.6.23 which can handle a speakup install.



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Mirabella, Mathew J wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I understand that due to some issues with the kernel, many distributions
> have not included speakup on their installation media or Live CDs in
> recent times.  I was therefore wondering if ubuntu has speakup included
> in the kernel of a CD image for installing the latest (7.10) desktop
> release?  Or perhaps the accessibility team have helped to put something
> like yasr on the installation media if speakup cannot be used?
>
> I have also heard that some of the issues with the Linux kernel have
> been fixed so that speakup may work with more recent kernels.  If this
> is so, can anyone inform as to where ubuntu might go re including
> speakup in the future?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mat.
>
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installing ubuntu via text with speech (not gnome): e.g. speakup, yasr, etc.

[Mirabella, Mathew J]

Hi all.

I understand that due to some issues with the kernel, many distributions
have not included speakup on their installation media or Live CDs in
recent times.  I was therefore wondering if ubuntu has speakup included
in the kernel of a CD image for installing the latest (7.10) desktop
release?  Or perhaps the accessibility team have helped to put something
like yasr on the installation media if speakup cannot be used?

I have also heard that some of the issues with the Linux kernel have
been fixed so that speakup may work with more recent kernels.  If this
is so, can anyone inform as to where ubuntu might go re including
speakup in the future?

Thanks.

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installing ubuntu with orca

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

I followed the instructions at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuEdgyEft

But it didn't talk in the terminal window once I quit and restarted 
orca. Just the orca window was voiced.

When I booted my livecd it spoke and read everything to me.
I chose "screenreader" from the accessibility options in the boot 
process but it didn't talk straight away.
I had to go to run application and type orca.

So my question is
How do I install ubuntu with orca? Or is there a way I can do it on my 
windows box to the box I am installing to? Like SSH. (I have no 
experience with ssh so have no idea how to do this or how it works)

Any ideas?
I am trying to install ubuntu 7.04.

Thanks for any help.
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Installing Ubuntu

[Christian]

Hi all,
Since I am having problems with my soundcard and latest Ubuntu Guttsy, is it 
possible to install it with BRLTTY running?
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Re: installing ubuntu 7.4 with speech

[Jude DaShiell]

How many seconds after booting before you start typing?  Without that 
information the only thing these instructions will do is cause frustration 
and failures to install!



On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Christian wrote:

> Hi Keith,
> I have just installed Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty myself and here is what you have to 
> do.
> Boot the CD and press F5 and then 3 and enter twice to boot with Orca.
> When you get speech do the following
> 1. Press Alt+F2 to get into the Run Application dialog
> 2. Type "gnome-terminal" and press Enter.
> 3. In the resulting Terminal window, type "sudo su" and press Enter. You 
> should hear
> "root at ubuntu colon slash home slash ubuntu pound".
> 4. Press Insert Q to quit Orca. At this point, the Orca quit confirmation 
> dialog will
> appear. You need to tab to the "Yes" button and press Space. At this point, 
> you will
> have no speech, but focus is still in the terminal window.
> Type "orca --no-setup --disable main-window&" and press Enter. This will 
> cause speech
> to resume, but Orca will now be running as root (the equivalent of 
> Administrator
> in Windows).
> 6. Type "ubiquity" and press Enter.
> These instructions can be found with more info at:
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuFeisty
> And yes when the installation is finished and you have logged in you will get 
> speech.
> Hope it helps!
> All the best,
> Christian
>
> On 2007-04-27 at 19:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Just joined this list in the hope of some help.
>>
>> I have the 7.4 ubuntu but am loosing speech when I try to install.
>>
>> The only instructions I can find relate to previous versions so perhaps
>> this is
>> where I am going wrong.
>> I boot the system and select f5 3 and a couple of returns.  I eventually
>> get
>> speech and I land in the orca preferences although the instructions tell
>> me I
>> will need to use alt tabb to get there.
>>
>> Not sure how I am meant to leave the preferences as the instructions
>> mention a "close button".  I am not finding one and tabbing gives me an ok
>> or preferences button.  Hitting enter on ok does not seem to have any
>> affect.
>>
>> At this point, continuing with the instructions, I get as far as typing
>> sudo su
>> and quitting and restarting orca.  When I type ubiquity I loose speech
>> totally.
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what may be happening or
>> any instructions that relate to this version?
>>
>> Also, as I have spent several days at this, if I get some assistance and
>> get
>> ubuntu installed, can I reinstate speech after the install and get it to
>> start
>> with speech enabelled?
>>
>> Also, if any one has got this to work, are these speech losses just
>> happening around the install or is stability an issue when performing
>> tasks
>> e.t.c.
>>
>> Sorry for the questions but am new at this.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Keith Barrett
>>
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Re: installing ubuntu 7.4 with speech

[Guy Schlosser]

Hey there Christian, maybe you or someone on the list can answer a 
question for me.  Why is it that when I go into something like 
network administration from the applications menu, I lose speech?  Is 
there a way to keep my speech in these apps?  As with before, any 
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


Guy


At 05:31 PM 4/27/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Keith,
>I have just installed Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty myself and here is what you 
>have to do.
>Boot the CD and press F5 and then 3 and enter twice to boot with Orca.
>When you get speech do the following
>1. Press Alt+F2 to get into the Run Application dialog
>2. Type "gnome-terminal" and press Enter.
>3. In the resulting Terminal window, type "sudo su" and press Enter. 
>You should hear
>"root at ubuntu colon slash home slash ubuntu pound".
>4. Press Insert Q to quit Orca. At this point, the Orca quit 
>confirmation dialog will
>appear. You need to tab to the "Yes" button and press Space. At this 
>point, you will
>have no speech, but focus is still in the terminal window.
>Type "orca --no-setup --disable main-window&" and press Enter. This 
>will cause speech
>to resume, but Orca will now be running as root (the equivalent of 
>Administrator
>in Windows).
>6. Type "ubiquity" and press Enter.
>These instructions can be found with more info at:
>http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuFeisty
>And yes when the installation is finished and you have logged in you 
>will get speech.
>Hope it helps!
>All the best,
>Christian
>
>On 2007-04-27 at 19:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Hi All
> >
> >Just joined this list in the hope of some help.
> >
> >I have the 7.4 ubuntu but am loosing speech when I try to install.
> >
> >The only instructions I can find relate to previous versions so perhaps
> >this is
> >where I am going wrong.
> >I boot the system and select f5 3 and a couple of returns.  I eventually
> >get
> >speech and I land in the orca preferences although the instructions tell
> >me I
> >will need to use alt tabb to get there.
> >
> >Not sure how I am meant to leave the preferences as the instructions
> >mention a "close button".  I am not finding one and tabbing gives me an ok
> >or preferences button.  Hitting enter on ok does not seem to have any
> >affect.
> >
> >At this point, continuing with the instructions, I get as far as typing
> >sudo su
> >and quitting and restarting orca.  When I type ubiquity I loose speech
> >totally.
> >
> >Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what may be happening or
> >any instructions that relate to this version?
> >
> >Also, as I have spent several days at this, if I get some assistance and
> >get
> >ubuntu installed, can I reinstate speech after the install and get it to
> >start
> >with speech enabelled?
> >
> >Also, if any one has got this to work, are these speech losses just
> >happening around the install or is stability an issue when performing
> >tasks
> >e.t.c.
> >
> >Sorry for the questions but am new at this.
> >
> >Many thanks
> >
> >Keith Barrett
> >
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Re: installing ubuntu 7.4 with speech

[Christian]

Hi Keith,
I have just installed Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty myself and here is what you have to do.
Boot the CD and press F5 and then 3 and enter twice to boot with Orca.
When you get speech do the following
1. Press Alt+F2 to get into the Run Application dialog
2. Type "gnome-terminal" and press Enter.
3. In the resulting Terminal window, type "sudo su" and press Enter. You should 
hear
"root at ubuntu colon slash home slash ubuntu pound".
4. Press Insert Q to quit Orca. At this point, the Orca quit confirmation 
dialog will
appear. You need to tab to the "Yes" button and press Space. At this point, you 
will
have no speech, but focus is still in the terminal window.
Type "orca --no-setup --disable main-window&" and press Enter. This will cause 
speech
to resume, but Orca will now be running as root (the equivalent of Administrator
in Windows).
6. Type "ubiquity" and press Enter.
These instructions can be found with more info at:
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuFeisty
And yes when the installation is finished and you have logged in you will get 
speech.
Hope it helps!
All the best,
Christian

On 2007-04-27 at 19:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi All
>
>Just joined this list in the hope of some help.
>
>I have the 7.4 ubuntu but am loosing speech when I try to install.
>
>The only instructions I can find relate to previous versions so perhaps
>this is 
>where I am going wrong.
>I boot the system and select f5 3 and a couple of returns.  I eventually
>get 
>speech and I land in the orca preferences although the instructions tell
>me I 
>will need to use alt tabb to get there.  
>
>Not sure how I am meant to leave the preferences as the instructions 
>mention a "close button".  I am not finding one and tabbing gives me an ok 
>or preferences button.  Hitting enter on ok does not seem to have any 
>affect.
>
>At this point, continuing with the instructions, I get as far as typing
>sudo su 
>and quitting and restarting orca.  When I type ubiquity I loose speech 
>totally.
>
>Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what may be happening or 
>any instructions that relate to this version?
>
>Also, as I have spent several days at this, if I get some assistance and
>get 
>ubuntu installed, can I reinstate speech after the install and get it to
>start 
>with speech enabelled?
>
>Also, if any one has got this to work, are these speech losses just 
>happening around the install or is stability an issue when performing
>tasks 
>e.t.c.
>
>Sorry for the questions but am new at this.
>
>Many thanks
>
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installing ubuntu 7.4 with speech

[lists]

Hi All

Just joined this list in the hope of some help.

I have the 7.4 ubuntu but am loosing speech when I try to install.

The only instructions I can find relate to previous versions so perhaps this is 
where I am going wrong.
I boot the system and select f5 3 and a couple of returns.  I eventually get 
speech and I land in the orca preferences although the instructions tell me I 
will need to use alt tabb to get there.  

Not sure how I am meant to leave the preferences as the instructions 
mention a "close button".  I am not finding one and tabbing gives me an ok 
or preferences button.  Hitting enter on ok does not seem to have any 
affect.

At this point, continuing with the instructions, I get as far as typing sudo su 
and quitting and restarting orca.  When I type ubiquity I loose speech 
totally.

Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what may be happening or 
any instructions that relate to this version?

Also, as I have spent several days at this, if I get some assistance and get 
ubuntu installed, can I reinstate speech after the install and get it to start 
with speech enabelled?

Also, if any one has got this to work, are these speech losses just 
happening around the install or is stability an issue when performing tasks 
e.t.c.

Sorry for the questions but am new at this.

Many thanks

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Re: installing Ubuntu with X and no assistance

[Henrik Omma]

Hello,

It works reasonably well ... if you have the patience to work around
some of the warts. You can see a guide here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/access/livecd

Henrik

On 1/21/07, Labrador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this forum.
>
> A few months ago a sighted friend helped me with installing on his
> demo-pc some Ubuntu distribution with Gnopernicus.
> But should there be a way to do the same without any assistance ?
>
> Does the latest Ubuntu Edgy Eft come with Orca ? Or only Gnopernicus ?
>
> Any suggestions welcome.
> Thanks.
>
> Greetings,
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[Labrador]

Hi,

I'm new to this forum.

A few months ago a sighted friend helped me with installing on his 
demo-pc some Ubuntu distribution with Gnopernicus.
But should there be a way to do the same without any assistance ? 

Does the latest Ubuntu Edgy Eft come with Orca ? Or only Gnopernicus ?

Any suggestions welcome.
Thanks.

Greetings,

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Re: Installing Ubuntu

[nowindows]

Thanks!!  I was loking for that but it didn't seem to be coming up with 
google.  

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Re: Installing Ubuntu

[Henrik Nilsen Omma]

Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Hello, seems this list gets quite a few Ubuntu questions. Hopefully  
> it's OK if I toss out one more. Hopefully it's quick with a simple  
> solution. :)
>   

You could also try the ubuntu list at: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility

It's read by many of the same people, but at least there all ubuntu 
questions are on-topic.

> I decided to wipe my older Ubuntu install and try installing from the  
> live CD. For some reason, GDM seems to start but I'm not getting the  
> usual login sound, and I can see enough to note that the screen has  
> various shades of blue, which doesn't jive with my experiences from  
> before. :)
>   

Hm, blue? Are you sure it's not Xubuntu? :) Is this the Live CD booting 
up or after install?
> I've burned and booted the live CD, gotten Orca running and played  
> with a few applications. Things seem to work. Clicking the  
> installation icon on the desktop seems to kill speech, however. I see  
> that another window has opened, but it doesn't speak and I can't seem  
> to get Orca to offer any indications of focus change. Sorta reminds  
> me of the behavior when I'd run some graphical application requiring  
> sudo.
>   

That is precisely because the installer runs as sudo. Unfortunately we 
won't get this to Just Work for this release, but the work-around is 
fairly simple: run both Orca and the installer as root:

* Open a terminal and Enter 'sudo su'
* Kill the running version of orca
* Enter 'orca &' in the root terminal
* Enter 'ubiquity' to launch the installer
* When installation is complete you will be prompted to reboot
> Any idea as to what might be happening? I've looked at the forum, but  
> all indications seem to point to simply clicking "install." This is  
> with a current live CD as of late last night/early this morning. I've  
> tried both running orca manually, and via the "press F5, then 3"  
> method, thinking that perhaps this performed additional configuration  
> steps which I'd missed.
>   

You might even need to get a more recent version because a few days ago 
we had a fix in the installer that would launch Orca as root before 
starting itself, but the results were messy, so we decided that 
documenting a workaround would be better.

-- Actually your existing CD should work as well if you kill the running 
version of Orca just before launching the installer.

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Installing Ubuntu from a serial port?

[Christian]

Hi all,
>From what I understand it is possible to install Ubuntu using a serial port 
>from another computer. If so, where can I find more information about that?
Many thanks,
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