[ubuntu-art] after the holidays, moving forward meeting
Hi all, Just returned from my trip home for Christmas. Something like 200 unread list emails to catch up on. I'll respond when possible but if I miss anything crucial we can add it as a item for the next meeting. I suggest doing it as soon as possible, giving a few days for word to get around. Perhaps Wednesday or Thursday, sometime between 9UTC and 20UTC? Send any preference and/or any items you think we should add to the agenda to the list as a response to this email. -- Ken (kwwii) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Update
julian wrote: i also do not believe in the brown; it seems to offend too many to justify investment as a basis for design. given that a brown-based theme is unnegotiable it is hardly worth debating here however. It's a bit of a quandary isn't it? I do believe you can do a nice brown theme - my problem with most of them is that the brown overpowers everything. It's why I've got so much whitespace as a balance. a 'hue-wheel' however might be just the medicine for the great number of Ubuntu users that dislike brown on their desktop. based on a few tests with Gimp i think Ken's Union theme and this theme would well in this regard: http://mossblaser.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-8-04-GUI-Design-Idea-7257460 cheers, I definately think this would be a good idea. It's pretty trivial to change the theme to be identical but with a different hue. I made a blue version in about 5 minutes. Providing 6 or so colour presets might be a good solution to the problem so if they really do hate the brown, they can change the colour without having to find their own theme. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Update
Ken Vermette wrote: I like the way you've used the brown and made it feel very light. Also, the way elements will use two tones of brown is very appealing. The first impression when I look at the theme though, is that it's looking at what else looks good - and patches all these looks together. In the end, individually all the pieces look good on their own, but the theme itself looks a like patchwork. Yeah, I tend to do something that looks good but doesn't work. Needs a step back to realise that it needs to get the chop. Candycain is gone now as is button gloss, textured title bar (I liked it but it didn't fit really). What the theme really needs (in my personal opinion) is some basic or structure to go by, more consistency. For example, something like the outlines. Here's the different styles I've counted in the lines alone: - 2px, dark brown (Active Window) - 1px, dark brown (Inactive Window) - 1px black (Panels) - 1px light brown (Dropdown, inner content-box) - 1px gray (panel inactive window) You have gray, black, several shades of brown... The outlines could technically work - but there's no real pattern to it. There's two drop downs and while everything else is identical about them, they have 2 styles of outline... It's just what looks best for each individual element. Try making some sort of pattern or structure for it like you had before, for example, heres some possible rules: You do have a point in some of the cases - I've redone it with an eye to balancing out the colours. I kinda discarded the palette and went with what looked good as finding browns that would work are a nightmare. I actually liked the 2px border on the active window, but too many people hated it for it to keep :( The subwindow dropdown has to have a lighter colour than the main system menu or it overpowers everything. The inactive panel window is just the main window at 80% opacity and without the darkening on the controls - it should be identical apart from that. I've done an update - at the usual place. Sorry to hear about your laptop too :( -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] after the holidays, moving forward meeting
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 15:09 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: Perhaps Wednesday or Thursday, sometime between 9UTC and 20UTC? Send any preference and/or any items you think we should add to the agenda to the list as a response to this email. Thursday, 18UTC. - Theme/Icons roadmap for hardy and hardy+1 (It looks like we should talk about the next 2 default themes) - Art direction If it stands by then, to fill in the gaps, clear things up. Otherwise it's only the question: When? - Client and decision making process - Audience - Background information, statistics - The competition as context - where do we stand? - Where do we want to be? - Strategic goals - Message - possible means to bring it across - Already made decisions about style - Technical limitations, if we want to push some, can we? how? - per-pixel alpha - menus with rounded corners - unified window/menu-bar, menu and toolbar in one row - Schedule (also above) - Involvement: Where/how list members can and should actually get involved - Do any of the mockups contain suitable elements? (We can tell if we have the info, Ken doesn't need to check everything) - Whatever I didn't think of right now ;) - Theme teams Ken, I would suggest to skip reading the old list mails, i don't think it's a good use of your time ;) (If anyone feels offended, I can only say this includes my mails, too) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] after the holidays, moving forward meeting
After the previous two meetings I read the meeting minutes. Honestly I haven't seen any follow up to anything presented in the meetings. I don't have a lot of confidence that the next meeting will be any different. Please prove me wrong. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:10:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] after the holidays, moving forward meeting On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 15:09 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: Perhaps Wednesday or Thursday, sometime between 9UTC and 20UTC? Send any preference and/or any items you think we should add to the agenda to the list as a response to this email. Thursday, 18UTC. - Theme/Icons roadmap for hardy and hardy+1 (It looks like we should talk about the next 2 default themes) - Art direction If it stands by then, to fill in the gaps, clear things up. Otherwise it's only the question: When? - Client and decision making process - Audience - Background information, statistics - The competition as context - where do we stand? - Where do we want to be? - Strategic goals - Message - possible means to bring it across - Already made decisions about style - Technical limitations, if we want to push some, can we? how? - per-pixel alpha - menus with rounded corners - unified window/menu-bar, menu and toolbar in one row - Schedule (also above) - Involvement: Where/how list members can and should actually get involved - Do any of the mockups contain suitable elements? (We can tell if we have the info, Ken doesn't need to check everything) - Whatever I didn't think of right now ;) - Theme teams Ken, I would suggest to skip reading the old list mails, i don't think it's a good use of your time ;) (If anyone feels offended, I can only say this includes my mails, too) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
Ken, you are the most helpful person on the team, you aren't useless. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
