Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu DVD Packaging Artwork

2011-02-07 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:39:36 +
jjungschla...@gmail.com wrote:

> For most of my costumers it would be quite handy if the cover wouldn't have 
> to many changes if I give them Ubuntu dvd's but concider the following, every 
> MS windows version has a bit different color release colour choices can 
> change in Ubuntu.

this would be a better argument if they released a new version more
often than the 5-7 year cycle!

> Really like the purple pink black color now.
> People are probaly going to work more with CLI as an opposite from what the 
> past show people are use GUI's more often or they gonna wank about great an 
> big effects like os x, beceuse Ubuntu aims not only high class computers such 
> as for gaming, video/graphic editing that wouldn't happen to our system.
> 
> Anyway good luck keep the color schedule dynamic if you really want it to be 
> around for a while. 
> Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry®-toestel
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pumpkin Lord 
> Sender: ubuntu-art-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:41:05 
> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork
> Reply-To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu DVD Packaging Artwork
> 
> Ofcourse, I will keep developing Ubuntu DVD covers in the future, but
> I just wanted to make something that will last for a longer time,
> without having to change the DVD cover every six months. Why not
> having one DVD cover, and just changing the DVD labels when new
> version is out. :)

I really like the idea of a universal cover. It could change for each
LTS release, which is two years.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Xubuntu Background Contexts

2011-01-25 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:21:24 +0300
Сергей  wrote:

> Making the context images just before the freeze doesn't make much sense
> because artists should have time to test their backgrounds if they want. As
> I understand it, the context won't undergo a major change, so I can make the
> images now. Is this desktop layout present in today's Xubuntu daily build or
> I should get it somewhere else?

Daily builds do not have the greybird theme yet. I will let you know on
this list when the theme is available on both the live cd and
installations from the daily builds.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Advice - Bugsquad Icon

2011-01-16 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:00:32 -0600
Leandro Gómez  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Charlie Kravetz  > wrote:
> 
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> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:06:33 -0600
> > Leandro Gómez  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Charlie Kravetz <
> > > c...@teamcharliesangels.com> wrote:
> > >
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> > > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:40:58 -0600
> > > > Leandro Gómez  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Vishnoo  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:58 -0800, j_baer wrote:
> > > > > > > Charlie & Vish,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This task has submissions posted for your review. Will one of
> > these
> > > > meet
> > > > > > > your needs? If not, please advise on how they can be better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   *
> > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs//0003_Bugsquad_IconSubmissions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey,
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Vish!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We discussed this a couple of days ago, and most of the team seemed
> > to
> > > > > > like the direction of leogg's 4, 5 and 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad you like them. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > One concern was how recognizable the 14px icon would be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > As John says, it's quite a challenge to make 14px icons. I usually
> > design
> > > > > alternative icons for small sizes, and use the more detailed icons
> > for
> > > > > bigger sizes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, maybe refining those icons further will help narrowing down the
> > > > > > final choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've updated the wiki. Tell me what you think about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [we mainly need the 64px and 14px, the 192px is a bonus]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Vish
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ubuntu-art mailing list
> > > > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I really like number 5, but I wonder if the "A" can be removed from
> > > > "1"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Yes, it can be done. See http://imagebin.ca/view/BD27lGe.html
> > >
> >
> > I need to be able to use the icons. Can you break them out of the png
> > file and into individual icons for us to use now? I need the set in 5
> > as they are and the set in 1 without the "A" in them. If this is
> > something I can do, let me know how to do it, please.
> >
> >
> Done.
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~leogg/artwork/Bugsquad_A_Team.tar.gz
> 

Thank you again. You fast response is terrific. 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Advice - Bugsquad Icon

2011-01-16 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:06:33 -0600
Leandro Gómez  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Charlie Kravetz <
> c...@teamcharliesangels.com> wrote:
> 
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> >
> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:40:58 -0600
> > Leandro Gómez  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Vishnoo  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:58 -0800, j_baer wrote:
> > > > > Charlie & Vish,
> > > > >
> > > > > This task has submissions posted for your review. Will one of these
> > meet
> > > > > your needs? If not, please advise on how they can be better.
> > > > >
> > > > >   *
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs//0003_Bugsquad_IconSubmissions
> > > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hey Vish!
> > >
> > >
> > > > We discussed this a couple of days ago, and most of the team seemed to
> > > > like the direction of leogg's 4, 5 and 1.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Glad you like them. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > > One concern was how recognizable the 14px icon would be.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > As John says, it's quite a challenge to make 14px icons. I usually design
> > > alternative icons for small sizes, and use the more detailed icons for
> > > bigger sizes.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So, maybe refining those icons further will help narrowing down the
> > > > final choice.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've updated the wiki. Tell me what you think about it.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > > [we mainly need the 64px and 14px, the 192px is a bonus]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Vish
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ubuntu-art mailing list
> > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > >
> >
> > I really like number 5, but I wonder if the "A" can be removed from
> > "1"?
> >
> >
> Yes, it can be done. See http://imagebin.ca/view/BD27lGe.html
> 

I need to be able to use the icons. Can you break them out of the png
file and into individual icons for us to use now? I need the set in 5
as they are and the set in 1 without the "A" in them. If this is
something I can do, let me know how to do it, please.

We really appreciate your work on these. They are great, but I need to
put them where all the people will see them now.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wanted: Artwork for Ubuntu Software Center department screens

2010-12-20 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:25:54 +0300
Сергей  wrote:

> >
> > Well there is the next logical idea, to make the backgrounds look like the
> > website backgrounds.
> >
> I don't like it. Software center should look as native and desktop-ish as
> possible. I like the way it's done in Unity Maverick, but I also understand
> that it's not an option for Natty. So if I were the one to decide I'd look
> at Unity and make Software Center as similar as possible. On the other hand,
> Unity's look for Natty is not yet finalized and it's too early to copy it
> yet.
> 
> Respectfully,
> --
> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

If it looks like unity/Ubuntu, what about the rest of the derivatives
that also include it? Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu all use this Software
Center. Would it not be better to be a little bit neutral?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Do you have good links to the Blender, Processing or a particular artwork community?

2010-12-14 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:34:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I just posted about the Edubuntu and Xubuntu wallpaper thing. This will
> appear on Planet Ubuntu:
> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/designing-wallpapers-for-edubuntu-and-xubuntu/
> 
> (I mentioned Lubuntu as often as I received replies to my last mail in
> that matter)
> 
> 
> I think we should invite users of Blender, Processing and any other
> free/open graphics applications and generative tools. Same for members
> of communities centering on illustration/drawing/photography.
> 
> Please help with this, especially if you have a standing in a particular
> community. Go there, write an announcement/invitation in the appropriate
> place and manner. Act as point of contact. Tell us about your activity.
> If people have a problem with Flickr, make sure submissions are still
> collected in one place and we know about it.
> 
> Few will care about Xubuntu and Edubuntu, but creating images that
> convey the desired message is an interesting challenge. That's the angle
> to "sell" this on.
> 
> 

Thank you for the blog entry. It is very difficult to generate
interest in these derivatives. However, for some of us, it is at least
as important as Ubuntu wallpaper. I really appreciate your help and
interest.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper due dates need to be checked - was Re: Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended

2010-12-09 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:44:29 -0500
John Baer  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Charlie Kravetz
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > To be honest, Xubuntu does not find March 17th satisfactory. This does
> > not allow us time to choose the wallpaper, work with the artist for any
> > changes we might want, and get it submitted to Natty before the freeze.
> > We will require the cutoff to be March 14th or earlier.
> >
> > Charlie Kravetz
> > Xubuntu Interim Project Lead
> > Linux Registered User Number 425914  [http://counter.li.org/]
> > Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
> >
> 
> 
> Charlie,
> 
> I am thinking the 10th but it can be the date of your choosing.
> 
> John

The 10th would be great! Let's do that if we can. 

Thank you very much for helping so much!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper due dates need to be checked - was Re: Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended

2010-12-09 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:29:24 -0500
John Baer  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vishnoo  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 18:11 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 20:27 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> > >
> > > > <http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-date-format>
> > > > Since obviously option 1 has its pit-fall of not being
> > > > international-friendly, let's go with option 2 :  "1 February 2010"
> > > >
> > > > Or if we want to keep it short  : "1 Feb 2010" / "2010, 1 Feb"
> > >
> > > No mixed order, please.
> > >
> > > I'm not opposed to "1 February 2010".
> >
> > OK, updated the dates.
> >
> > While checking out the dates, I noticed that the due date for
> > Xubuntu,Edubuntu,Lubuntu wallpaper is specked as *25* Mar 2011.
> >
> > The final date for Natty User Interface Freeze is March *24*
> > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule>
> >
> > While the derivatives do have freedom to be a bit flexible with the
> > freeze dates, setting a due date which falls /after/ the freeze is a bit
> > weird.
> >
> > IMO, we should close submissions 10-15days before the UI freeze.
> > Closing alteast 10 days before freeze would give, 7 days for judging and
> > approvals, atleast 3 days for contacting the respective artists and any
> > final tweaks.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Vish
> >
> >
> Vish,
> 
> Thank you for adding some love to the Wiki. Ten days sounds good to me but
> on a different thread to this list the Lubuntu community expressed their
> desire to close submissions on the March 17th. Does that work? If agreed,
> let's make them all the same.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> John

To be honest, Xubuntu does not find March 17th satisfactory. This does
not allow us time to choose the wallpaper, work with the artist for any
changes we might want, and get it submitted to Natty before the freeze.
We will require the cutoff to be March 14th or earlier. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended

2010-12-08 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:43:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 18:52 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
>  
> > Why dont we forget the ISO naming and just stick with something that is
> > Human-readable? ;)
> 
> The from big to small order is really not difficult to remember and
> handle. But currently I have my head elsewhere.
> 
> 
> > Instead, for months we use "Jan/Feb/Mar.../Dec" . And yrs/dates are
> > numerical /DD?
> 
> Numerical dates are short and make calculations more obvious (or am I
> alone in having to translate month names to numbers in my mind first,
> where I don't have a direct mapping for all months, so need to count
> steps in some cases?)
> 
> And then we would have the question which format using names, exactly?
> 
> 

I too count out the months when the name appears. Whether numbers or
names are used, the format should be standard. I can write as in the
U.S. Military 12 December 2010; as in American writing December 12,
2010; as in Europe and the rest of the world 2010 December 12. Then
there are the abbreviations of the months, two instead of four digit
years, etc. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Advice - Bugsquad Icon

2010-11-28 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:58:54 -0800 (PST)
j_baer  wrote:

> 
> Charlie & Vish,
> 
> This task has submissions posted for your review. Will one of these meet
> your needs? If not, please advise on how they can be better.
> 
>   *  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs//0003_Bugsquad_Icon Submissions 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> John

Once again, I am in the position to be able to say "THANK YOU" to
everyone involved in this logo. I am not always timely here, I guess.
But I really appreciate what you people are doing! 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Advice - Bugsquad Icon

2010-11-28 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:40:58 -0600
Leandro Gómez  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Vishnoo  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 16:58 -0800, j_baer wrote:
> > > Charlie & Vish,
> > >
> > > This task has submissions posted for your review. Will one of these meet
> > > your needs? If not, please advise on how they can be better.
> > >
> > >   *  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs//0003_Bugsquad_IconSubmissions
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> 
> Hey Vish!
> 
> 
> > We discussed this a couple of days ago, and most of the team seemed to
> > like the direction of leogg's 4, 5 and 1.
> >
> 
> Glad you like them. :)
> 
> 
> > One concern was how recognizable the 14px icon would be.
> >
> >
> As John says, it's quite a challenge to make 14px icons. I usually design
> alternative icons for small sizes, and use the more detailed icons for
> bigger sizes.
> 
> 
> > So, maybe refining those icons further will help narrowing down the
> > final choice.
> >
> 
> I've updated the wiki. Tell me what you think about it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> > [we mainly need the 64px and 14px, the 192px is a bonus]
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Vish
> >
> >
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> >

I really like number 5, but I wonder if the "A" can be removed from
"1"? 

Vish, what about using 5 for the 64x64 and 1 for the 14x14 ? 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-24 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:53:46 -0500
John Baer  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> This discussion is very exciting and the points being raised are spot on -
> but "somehow" the spec needs to reflect the desire of the community and the
> advice of this team.
> 
> Thorsten - Saleel - Charlie?  Will you update the spec?
> 
> Saleel, I would like to make you an admin of the Xubuntu Natty Wallpaper
> flickr group. This means monitoring submissions and making sure questions
> are responded to. Will you help with this?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> John

It would only be right to give you a big thank you for getting this
started for me. Your original spec gives an excellent starting place
for someone with so little knowledge about how to do all this. 

Thank you very much.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-24 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 22:07:08 +0100
Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 15:38 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > You say the next step is abstracting colors and shapes. Shapes I can
> > see how, but how do we know which colors to restrict? How do we judge
> > the value tritone color sheme vs. a monotone one , for example. Sorry
> > if this is super obvious, but I'm still learning.
> 
> Actually, I wouldn't rule out literal takes on these subject matters.
> 
> A monotone color scheme as such sends a message, too. One of uniformity,
> stableness, eventually even shyness, indecision and paranoia. Most
> likely not energy, movement, diversity ...
> 
> I'm still learning, too.
> 

I do not want to send out the indecision and paranoia. Let's aim for
energy, diversity, excitement! As one user suggested, Xubuntu should be
sharp, crisp, smooth but exciting. 
> 
> > Why only by-sa? doesnt cc-by work as well?
> 
> Because a single option does not make people pause and wonder what to
> choose ;)
> 
> The ShareAlike aspect is just nice to have for keeping derivatives in
> the family, more GPL-like.
> 
> 
> > @Charlie
> > Currently the color pallete is pretty limited to tones of 1 color,
> > would the
> > inclusion of other colors be a problem?
> 
> To not include other colors would be a problem. For wallpapers, I would
> even just define the colors given by panel and windows and require that
> wallpapers have to go well with them (icons might play a role in this
> considerations, too).
> 
Since the windows and background and panels in Xfce can all be themed
separately, this complicates it. Even when using the default Albatross
theme in Lucid 10.04, the window borders and panels were black, but the
window backgrounds were very light, since that is more difficult to
change from the Xfce defaults and requires extensive gtk theme changes.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-24 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:38:16 -0500
Saleel Velankar  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so we want to express high performance. But not performance by brute
> > force, no big machines, but rather by making the most of what you get,
> > by being small and light. Associations:
> > * Swallow
> > * Dart
> > * Ultra-light planes and gliders
> >
> > Some of these could be abstracted to shapes and colors.

This is where I get lost. I do not understand how you associate these
things to the artwork, so I have to leave this part up to the artists
who do know better than myself.

> 
> I can see efficient performance working as a flavor.
> I have as I mentioned at uds particularly favoring the the idea of a bird/
> flight. Flight tends to imply agility/speed, freedom, seeing things for a
> not a commonly seen perspective. These are all powerful in the imagery they
> produce, at least in my mind. You say the next step is abstracting colors
> and shapes. Shapes I can see how, but how do we know which colors to
> restrict? How do we judge the value tritone color sheme vs. a monotone one ,
> for example. Sorry if this is super obvious, but I'm still learning.
> 
> 
> Why only by-sa? doesnt cc-by work as well? is the clause sharealike all that
> important? or are you saying that by-sa the most restrictive license the
> artist can put on it, and still have it be acceptable?
> 
> 
> @Charlie
> >A point to keep in mind is that Xubuntu normally has used the same scene
> for the wallpaper and the GDM
> 
> I cant see that adding any restrictions to what we can and cannot accept.
> 
> @Charlie
> Currently the color pallete is pretty limited to tones of 1 color, would the
> inclusion of other colors be a problem?

I don't know the answer. Traditionally, Xubuntu has used shades of
blue. It is easier for me to say we do not want reds, oranges, browns,
than to say other colors are okay. I think as long as they are not
dominant, we could mix the other colors in. 

> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-24 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:11:08 +0100
Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 10:34 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > Charlie can you look over the spec that john has written up/ update us
> > with what happened at the meeting? 
> 
> I criticized the spec for not being based on any kind of mission
> statement or strategy. Charlie put down an action item for himself to
> contact you, Saleel, and me about taking care of that.
> 
> I wouldn't mind to handle that right here, on this list.
> 
> 

Okay, let's do it that way then.

Firstly, thank you to everybody for the assistance with this
specification. It is great to see the involvement.

 Xubuntu would like to change the perception of only being for old and
 slow computers to being excellent for any hardware. According to the
 Xubuntu Strategy Document, it should perform well on any hardware. It
 should require and use fewer resources than Ubuntu, and is built with
 the Xfce desktop environment. Traditionally, it has used shades of
 blue and the Xfce mascot, a mouse, to represent itself. 

As I have explained to Thorsten and Saleel, I am not artistically
inclined. I know the concept I would like to present, but don't know
how to describe it as artwork. I tried to generate interest for
Maverick, it was not a good approach. 

There were questions and comments about the license. It seems the
wording is too ambiguous. One of the questions raised was "what Creative
Commons license must submissions adhere to?". Can we define that better?

 I like the pallette presented in the spec. A point to keep in mind is
 that Xubuntu normally has used the same scene for the wallpaper and
 the GDM background. I am hoping this team knows the dimensions and
 wording better than I do. 

I do not believe the wording : "The desired result will be an image
which embraces the "light" Ubuntu design concept and displays well on a
variety of hardware environments." applies to Xubuntu. While the
"light" Ubuntu design concept is great for Ubuntu, I don't know how to
apply it to this project. We would prefer a more defined image, instead
of the concept image. Although, the image does have to display well on
new and old hardware. Xubuntu is still used on CRT monitors in some
areas of the world. 

Okay, I probably raised more questions than answers with this, so I
will stop and let those with questions ask. I will attempt to answer as
best I can. 

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-17 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:56:25 +0100
Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 23:34 +0300, Сергей wrote:
> 
> > I've just posted a poll idea to OMG! Ubuntu!, let's wait and see if
> > people
> > still want animal wallpapers.
> 
> 
> If you would try to create a wallpaper based on what people want, I'm
> worried you might end up with :
> a calm and neutral abstract graphic,
> that shows an exciting landscape,
> a motorcycle just for Iain,
> with cute babies and bunnies,
> a manga babe,
> and that is politically correct
> ;)
> 
> 
> The default artwork of a distribution should be about how that project
> wants to be perceived. The preferences of the audience comes into play
> only in an indirect way. Especially for a wallpaper, something people
> like to change, perhaps just for the sake of changing it.
> 
> 

I agree. The wallpaper is normally decided by the Xubuntu Team. I think
trying to decide based on the whim of Ubuntu users is going to be a
fail. There are only a 60-100 thousand Xubuntu users out of the
millions of Ubuntu users counted. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.

2010-11-17 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 03:21:49 -0500
Saleel Velankar  wrote:

> Okay I thought I could put this together, but clearly I was wrong. I need
> some help. After reading John's post "Adding a Task to the Project Board." I
> am asking for feedback on the following:
> 
> Xubuntu is lightweight, and focuses on a more traditional desktop
> experience. It uses blues as the color scheme (also a traditional color).
> (#FFF,#203b66,#2c5aa0)
> 
> The traditional desktop experience is what will pick up more users for
> xubuntu as ubuntu moves into unity and gnome moves into shell. SO our
> wallpaper should reflect this by following some older traditions of ubuntu.
> Traditions like featuring the animal in the wallpaper. The plus is that we
> tend to get a bunch of animal wallpapers anyways, and this would just be
> about getting the correct composition/color sheme for consideration. The
> negative is that people tend to focus a lot on the animal, and abandon any
> sense of taste.
> 
> So what should I do?
> 
> 

Xubuntu is holding a community meeting 2010-11-18 at 19:00 UTC in
#ubuntu-meeting. We can discuss this with the community then and give
you a better idea of what is wanted. 

Thanks for helping with this.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums need design assistance

2010-11-15 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:09 -0700
Mike Basinger  wrote:

> I used people advise for making forums icons from the pictograms, and made 
> some changes. What do people think (www.mikesplanet.net/forums)
> 
> Mike
> --
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> mike.basin...@ubuntu.com
> 

I have to say this is one of the easiest to read re-designs I have seen
now. Thanks for that.

Unfortunately, and maybe it is a bad perception on my part, I see at
least three separate ways links are treated there. The main page treats
links by changing the color when I hover over them. The banner leaves
the white link white, with no change as I hover. The links under the
banner are split. "Todays posts" and "FAQ" underline the link, the next
three actually use an orange highlight with reverse white text, I think.

Is this intended?

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[ubuntu-art] Icon for Ubuntu-bugsquad

2010-11-10 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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I have tasked to get a icon for a new team being set up by the
Ubuntu-bugsquad mentoring program. The team will be called the
bugsquad-mentor-teamA . This team will be set up to test a new concept
in mentoring bugsquad applicants. This will be a three-month test. If
the test proves beneficial to the bugsquad, more teams will be created.

I believe this should be a logo, that
can be used by this team specifically, to show a relationship between a
mentor and a mentee. It also will need the A on it to designate that
this is team A. This logo will be used on the launchpad team page and
bugsqad wiki pages.

Can you help me with this? Do you need more information? (by the way, I
am not an artist, but only the person that seems to know where to go
for help).

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums need design assistance

2010-11-08 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:23:50 -0700
Mike Basinger  wrote:

> I made a lot of changes on the forums this weekend. Please let me know what 
> you think?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> --
> Mike Basinger
> mike.basin...@ubuntu.com
> 

- From a user with visual impairments, can't links be made a different
color than the heading and text? Trying to determine what is actually a
link means at least hovering over every item in White text. This makes
it much harder to use the page.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase Theme

2010-11-05 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:06:45 -0400
Saleel Velankar  wrote:

> > For Topic: Could it be included in the showcase? Or run as a firt-boot
> > intro or something?
> >
> > I believe that the descision was made at uds that the freeculture showcase
> was about great art, and not about ubuntu specifically. Iain' s idea of
> using light as a theme is great in principle. However it may be prone to
> once again receiving ubuntu specific artwork?
> 

+1

The idea was to receive any great artwork, not necessarily aimed at
Ubuntu, since any derivative should be able to also use the art sent
in. Limiting it to light limits who will use it.

For my part, I would prefer it be more Xubuntu oriented, but that would
not be right either.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Artwork Team Wiki

2010-11-03 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:17 -0400
John Baer  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> It is my pleasure to introduce the updated new look of the Artwork Team Wiki
> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork ). The design supports the changes
> outlined in the blueprint and may be considered a work in progress. Please
> set your user preferences to the new "light" Wiki theme for the best user
> experience.
> 
> One important process I will draw attention to is the change to being task
> focused, not release focused. A task such as “create new default wallpaper”
> may be directed to a specific release; the task design a new “Artwork Team
> Logo” is release independent. This change will allow us to accept a greater
> variety of assignments.
> 
> As discussed at UDS this solution is temporary as the desire is to create a
> new robust solution based on ccHost, Django, or Ruby on Rails. Although not
> perfect, the current mix of mailing list, Ubuntu Wiki, and Flickr is mature
> and tested. When considering broad changes I like to “start with the simple,
> move to the complex”. This is the simple solution. :)
> 
> So how does the Process work?
> 
> Step 1 – Make a request or proposal.
> 
> I anticipate requests and proposals will come in from a variety of sources
> in the community. In fact they already are!
> 
> Step 2 – Create a “Spec”.
> 
> The purpose of the spec is to explain what needs to be done, how to do it,
> and when it needs to be complete. The goal of the spec is to provide a
> mechanism to inform folks about a request or proposal they may have an
> interest in contributing to.
> 
> Step 3 – Create Submissions
> 
> With a Spec in place folks may create submissions or work on other tasks.
>  Submissions may be discussed on the mailing list and for effort which
> utilizes Flickr, comments may be appended to submissions. When there is a
> desire, additional discussions may occur on the IRC. Please remember in the
> case of art it sometimes becomes a matter of preference. Be respectful and
> use the Ubuntu Code of Conduct in our discussions. It is anticipated the
> submission process will be iterative and dynamic.
> 
> Step 4 – Evaluate and Approve
> 
> The final step is the approval and selection of the desired result. In some
> cases this may also include the evaluation of different design concepts to
> determine the best solution (viz. Ubuntu countdown banner). In addition, my
> hope is many will choose to post their appreciation as an accolade.
> 
> What if it doesn’t fit?
> 
> All of the above may be too formal for some requests (viz. can you give me
> some ideas on how to improve this web page).  In those cases the mailing
> list may be adequate, in others cases we may have to discover the best
> approach.
> 
> The Beta
> 
> The first task (our beta) is to create the new Artwork Team logo. I created
> a submission to seed the effort, serve as a process example, and to
> encourage others. This is a real task and the result will be prominently
> displayed in the community and worthy of inclusion into your portfolio.
> 
> The Walk-thru - Artwork Team Logo
> 
> * If you do not have an account on Flickr, create one. The free account is
> adequate for this task.
> 
> * Create your images in a tool capable of supporting the “SVG” image format
> (viz. Inkscape).  I used 128px as the height. Export your submission as a
> “png” or “jpg”. I discovered Flickr displays icons uploaded as “jpg” better
> than “png”. I use GIMP to do the conversion.
> 
> * Upload your images to your Flickr photo stream.  Be sure to tag the image
> with “UbuntuArtworkTeamLogo”, attribute as “creative commons”, and add
> comments of your choosing.
> 
> * Join the “Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Designs” group and add your image(s).
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-1/
> 
> * Optionally, attach your source files (svg) to the spec.  Be sure to
> identify your attachment in a manner which links it to your submission.
> 
> * Inform the group using the mailing list.
> 
> I moved the desired due date out to 12/01 to give everyone time to
> participate. If you have problems just let me know (  j.b...@ubuntu.com ).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> John

That is very nice. Could the second paragraph of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#Don%27t%20go%20it%20alone! be changed
to a darker text for accessiblity? The light gray is difficult to read.
The rest looks great!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:16:08 +0530
Vishnoo  wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this
> > list is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on
> > track.
> > 
> 
> Another problem is that if we discuss just here , then the
> replies/solutions get lost in the archives.
> 
> Lets also summarize here : <http://openetherpad.org/UbuntuArtwork>
> 
> > Problem #1
> > There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
> > Solution:
> > Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> > contribute regularly.
> > 
> 
> I have also had the same idea but I dont think this is a feasible idea.
> People will want to ask questions, like how the installer question was
> asked a few days ago.
> 
> We can leave this mailing list as it is? maybe?
> 
> What we could do is to make the lp team moderated
> <https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art>
> 
> And people can get added there once they state their intent.
> 
> Any work in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu will only be included from
> Launchpad. So its better if the lp team was restricted to contributors.
> 
> 
> > Problem #6
> > We no longer have any direction of what to do.
> > Solution:
> > This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list.
> > At the very least, we start off small and create a community set of
> > wallpapers, as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to
> > annoy to get this done. How would you feel if community artwork had an
> > overarching loose theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?
> 
> We can get this done , i dint want to push this too much since i wanted
> to test the waters here first.. ;)
> 
> As I mentioned, I had been planning this for a while now, and
> <http://openetherpad.org/UbuntuArtwork> is a consolidate of my
> interaction with other teams. I had nearly given up because there seemed
> to be lack of interest from others. And I was being told it might be
> just in vain.
> 
> Its not just Ubuntu. There are other derivatives we can help too! 
> 
> Xubuntu *for sure* wants help with their artwork!
> I believe the Xubuntu team has now subscribed to this mailing list too..
> Let's hear a reply from them directly as well.. :)
> 

I have been silent because it seemed the list only wants to hear from
the artists themselves. I requested help with Xubuntu artwork, and we
still want and need help. Unfortunately, the call for artwork to both
the Ubuntu community and DeviantArt resulted in few replies from
artists. 

If the list became "active contributors" only, how would you expect
anyone else to ever become active? To maintain an active list, you need
new contributors that can actually become a part of the community. If
Ubuntu is not accepting artwork, the derivatives certainly are. Ubuntu
Studio, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu will all accept help with
artwork, if you are willing to help us. Xubuntu, at least, does not
have it's own artwork team at this time, and would accept a team leader
as well as members to work with that leader. 


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