Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Probably you are a bad guy? I've to go now... Sorry, but I'm loading it up next weekend... Sebastian Am Mittwoch, den 16.04.2008, 02:04 +0300 schrieb Nemes Ioan Sorin: Sebastian - how I can get Creamlooks ? the archive you put on the web is still forbidden ...at least for me ;) Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Hi there... I found out a simple workaround for the emerald/compiz-problem with the menus... Just replace the Draw shadow on these windows-entry: (any) !(type=Menu | DropdownMenu) cheers Sebastian Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN: OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! Sorry! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
OK...
Try http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz...
cheers Sebastian
Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN:
OK, Sebastian, thanks
2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes of course...
The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of
the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame
from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the
menubatritem.
I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine...
Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the
menubar/toolbar-stuff?
I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so
now;-))
Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends
XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like
this...)
I'll upload it on monday...
cheers
Sebastian Billaudelle
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200
Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden.
So :
1. Please let us download this file ;) ..
2. Can we do this hack for other engines ?
cheers,
Sorin
2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Oops... sorry.!
Here with the right subject!
_
Hi there!
Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the
clearlooks-engine.
My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks,
but
has some advantages:
I. Bugfixes:
In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but
without
toolbar. It was very ugly.
II. New features:
1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like
one
single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now.
2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think
some
parts looks very close to this...
3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed.
4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded.
You can download the stuff here:
http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
You can read more about it (screenshot...) here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks
cheers Sebastian
P. S.: My modem is working now again...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Hi there! I hacked again a little bit... I added on the left and right sides of the toolbar a line. I think that looks better with the window border I choosed now. Unfortunately I wasn't able to load the engine up, because my connection is very slow... But here is a screenshot (You can see the new window decoration, too): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=creamlooks-2.png The code will come tomorrow! cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 24.03.2008, 15:21 +0100 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: OK... Try http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz... cheers Sebastian Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN: OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I didn't found a good theme. But it doesn't belong to creamlooks. See the last post from xl_cheese! I'm using that now (Thank you, xl_cheese!)... I'll update the wiki... cheers stein Am Freitag, den 21.03.2008, 15:03 +0100 schrieb Julian Oliver: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the way. my 2 bytes. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. ..on or around Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:17:52AM +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle said: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Thanks... I'll change the style of the scrollbars... The only problem is, that I'm working very hard at some other projects now... And the problem with non-gtk apps... I really don't know how to fix it... I'll contact the devels of the projects... Sebastian Am Dienstag, den 18.03.2008, 09:50 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: Thanks for the help; gtk_compile.sh worked. I neglected to run configure the first try, just ran make and make install. I really like how the menus and tabs have a consistent look. I also like that the scrollbars have good visibility and that gtk color choosing is integrated into the theme. The subtle gradients in the buttons and progress bars are nice as well, but don't match the glossy look of the scrollbar. You're probably aware of this, but the menus aren't unified in non-gtk apps like Firefox, and the top-left pixel is missing. Also, default shadows in Compiz and Metacity's compositor create a shodow across the top of the menu, spoiling the unified look. I noticed in the screen shot you configured compiz to render the shadow below the top of windows, which works well. Metacity's compositing doesn't allow for that configuration, however. Thanks for the hard work! Daniel On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using the gtk_compile.sh... I really don't know... Absolute paths? I didn't change any paths. And they should be overwritten when running configure... Are you shure that it exited without errors? cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 21:46 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: I like the menus in the screenshot. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to install it. Your Makefile seems to contain absolute paths to /home/stein/Desktop. Have you thought about trying to use Launchpad's PPA to package the engine? -Daniel On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy's GDM
Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now... signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
I've loaded up the creamlooks-stuff. You can download it here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz Sebastian Am Sonntag, den 09.03.2008, 14:31 +0100 schrieb SzerencseFia: Thanks, for try, and don't forget to provide us with the link. e[szerencsefia] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes of course... I'm trying to do that today, but unfortunately my modem driver is still broken and we don't have dsl connection at home. Sorry! I'm sitting at an Win98 machine and this f** thing won't recognize my FAT32-drive. I think it's to big... cheers Sebastian Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:59:41 +0100 Von: SzerencseFia [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have renamed all the files and functions so you can install it additiopnal to xl_cheeselooks. It is called creamlooks. I think it would be better if I would remove the different styles like Gummy, Inverted and so on. Are there any ideas or wishes? Sebastian, Would you mind to share it and save some time for us? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Hi there! Here's my interpretation of the Union-Mockup: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/gtk-enginesxl_cheese (stein).tar.gz I'm trying to rename all the code that you can install it beside xl_cheeselooks. Sorry for that - coming later! cheers stein Am Donnerstag, den 06.03.2008, 16:08 +0100 schrieb SzerencseFia: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Cimitan wrote: Murrine was public since September, but I moved a lot of Subversions servers including intilinux.org, launchpad and now (finally) gnome. Murrine-RGBA was in launchpad two days after my post in December and in the last month I moved to gnome's svn since I hate launchpad :). But could you please send a link to it? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0Ajmc8+hN/JiJx4RAry1AKCCX49BVVkKWabKU5Wf5YXZhM4JfgCfXkvM tqSLWW6Z/Uuxcrf4REIYZ98= =9TEt -END PGP SIGNATURE- signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Hi folks! Because my modem-driver is broken (never play around with startup-scripts;-)) I wasn't able to read the mails. I'll do it later, because I'm sitting in an internet cafe and I'm a little bit short in time. I'm sorry for my bad and short post. I'll post more later! I've looked into the xl_cheese-/clearlooks-engine and changed some points. I could go on like this fixing the points written before. At first, there was the problem that windows without a toolbar looked ugly, because the color of the menubar was not the same as the windows bg-color. That's changed now: The menubar is colored like the background of the window and the gradient of the toolbar is changed a little bit to fit to that change... The first point is the unity of the menubaritem and the menu itself. I looked into the code of the eXperience-engine and hacked a little bit in clearlooks. That should work now to, even if the menu is placed higher than the menubar (Then the menubaritem-widget is turned upside down). Compiz/Emerald is still a problem... Here's a little screenshot: http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto1su9.png Later I'll upload the engine, but I've to clean up the code before (This was my first contact to C;-)). cheers stein Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 12:13 +0100 schrieb Andrea Cimitan: Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote: You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and blame about those gtk-engines. the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are just for testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the style of an engine. Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the same colors (as it seems from those screenshots). A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are probably the weird themes I have seen in years :) Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way better than both clearlooks and murrine. So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and murrine? I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but I am not a developer :D No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in terms of liking and stability, bugs, security. But with those weird gtkrcs, it looks better. Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and a lot of things directly in the gtkrc. Also adding custom widgets should be much more simpler. I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu. No worries, they probably won't be...at least not in this form. If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED] is used for the prelight, for example...). This is something very interesting to me but way out of my scope. I would need to understand what is good and what is bad in gtkrc as I am used to just editing the thing until it looks like I want it to. Clearlooks loves bg[selected] with saturation 45/100 ad value 86/100. Murrine should look great with a lot of colorschemes (because of the glossiness), but you must take a look at the contrast (see the horrible scrollbar in Human murrine) If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones. I would love to see anything you have. For Hardy we will stick with the same main desktop colors as we always have used, it being the last of the cycle and all. Just for a hint, Mirco Muller is using a Murrine theme which I gave him a year ago. With a matching wallpaper too. Thanks for the information, I hope we can discuss this more in the future. -- Ken Cheers Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: Hi all, I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) Human
Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork
I don't like Aurora, because ist's a very slow engine. At my machine (Pentium M, 1500 MHz; 768 MB RAM; ...) you can watch the widgets loading;-) Gtkperf doesn't like Aurora, too;-) cheers Sebastian Am Dienstag, den 29.01.2008, 04:27 +0200 schrieb SorinN: Clear Looks or Ubuntulooks would look nice with an usable scrollbar ( I mean distinctive ) - as the Aurora theme has ( even that Aurora tent to be on top of highest rated of gtk2 engines on gnome-look.org [ that's mean something - rest of the world dont care about what we talk here ;) - maybe we can keep something good this engine - if we don't like / want Aurora at the end ). Murrine can be a good engine too on the other side - with the same problem - scrollbar face need a lift on it's form ( to be more visible, ( using a scrolltrack gradient [ ... ] ). Also default font for Murrine on Cimi website screenshots is a bit scary regarding it's usability - a little bit fat font could be a better solution on small UI widgets. -- Nemes Ioan Sorin signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] panel icons
Hi all! I was playing arround a little bit, too: I used the pallet from Union to get these icons (Like the one of Ken: only a demonstation). If anyone wants the sources, please contact me... cheers Am Dienstag, den 29.01.2008, 21:28 +0100 schrieb Kenneth Wimer: On Tuesday 29 January 2008 21:09:52 Dylan McCall wrote: One quick concern from me: I see that the Update icon in this is going back to the jagged orange splotch. I have yet to see how this represents updating in any way, as it looks more like a bug report. The icon that is currently in the Hardy alphas (with the downward-pointing arrow) is quite a bit more informative. i agree, the little fleck of color was just to show how one could use color to denote there is some action to be taken (or currently being taken). Pretty much all of the ideas show there still need lots of work, I was just trying to get a feel for the general idea, not suggesting final icons. As for which one I like, I prefer the not etched, simple 2d look. One reason is just personal taste, the other reason is because panel icons are usually like that. For example, if I go and download the latest Pidgin that is built without Ubuntu in mind, I'll have the standard colourful Pidgin icon. Alongside the etched icons it looks really weird. With the flat 2d icons, it blends reasonably well. (Still not perfectly, but better). I like that you use less colour for icons that do not need urgent attention (that should just work) like the volume control and network info. That way, colour can be used for things to stand out, and the colourful icons that other apps bring with them will be less of a concern since they still fit fairly naturally with the official design. Ideally we shouldn't have to worry about this since applications like Pidgin and Liferea should really not be putting themselves in the notification area all the time, but it doesn't look like that will be fixed very quickly. I expected more people to like the 2d versions compared to the etched versions, basically for the same reasons you just mentioned. -- Ken attachment: mockup.png signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork
Ad 4): Why not use clear- and ubuntulooks? I am using the hacked clearlooks with ubuntulooks-menus and menubar-items. It looks nice (my opinion...). The colors are OK, I think... cheers Am Montag, den 28.01.2008, 13:01 +0100 schrieb Kenneth Wimer: Hi all, This mail attempts to clear up some issues in the art direction for Hardy Ubuntu. As already stated we will not be changing things radically. Here are some of the things I would like to see changed and some possible ideas for them. 1) Wallpaper: Ideally dark and mysterious yet modern, clear and clean a) It should use the palette (in a previous post, email me if you missed it) b) If nothing else, we will continue to use the elephant background for Hardy. 2) GDM: Lighter, friendlier than the wallpaper but inline as far as artwork goes. a) Until now we have used a different background image for GDM (ie not the wallpaper). I would like to see Ubuntu use a common look for the entire experience (usplash throuh GDM, Desktop) but this is not a definite *must have* for Hardy. If possible we can work towards this. 3) 2D Panel Icons: simplified panel icons - those on the right side, some (me) might call them system tray icons :-) I've looked into using an etched look for these as well as a very simple 2D look. I'll be posting these images later today so we can look into the possiblities and discuss them. 4) Murrine or Clear Looks as a GTK/WinDeco theme. The overall look should not change radically, and in any case the colors should be very similar, perhaps moving slightly to a bit more orange version (but only slightly). a) I would like to use a theme in which one can change the colors (not possible using the older style gtkrc). Ideas have been posted based on the clear looks engine but they have the problem that the selected menu items look too pale/light compared to what we have now and each toolbar/menubar/etc has a line between them. Murrine seems to be the most flexible theme, perhaps it would be the way to go. In addition to all of this we have lots of bugs with icons: menu icons, and especially the package related icons in the System menu. I'd like to see some Look forward to more of this in the future :-) Thanks, Ken signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
Are you sure? I'm playing arround with the 3.0a8 and it doesn't use a _real_ gtk theme... Afaik you can't use real gtk with XULRunner. E. g.: The menubar-items have the style from the menuitems and so on. Even the pages of the notebooks are a little bit funny;-) cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Am Donnerstag, den 24.01.2008, 07:46 -0600 schrieb xl cheese: I've been toying with firefox beta and it does in fact use GTK theming now. __ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:47:21 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks On 23/01/2008, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree 100%. I just posted that pic as an example of the menubar and toolbars. _however_ ... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437 I have a patch for this. I will attach it to the bug later tonight. I think that it might be a controversial issue though, so don't get your hopes up. Also stuff like Firefox that use custom menubar implementations will likely not have this feature (or does FF3 use a real GtkMenuBar?). Cheers, Mikkel Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks On Jan 23, 2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine. I'm running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that already exist. You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc. I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, but received no response. Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot? I can easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or less. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order to move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar instead of the title bar. I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but the title bar should have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just below to avoid doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail(R)-get your fix. Check it out. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art __ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. Check it out. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Teams. Moving Forward. Making Stuff!
Well said!
I think that many people don't take us (you?) seriously. The current
theme is years old...
Nobody uses the default theme (except of me, I think...).
If anybody woullead a team, I would join in. (I could do things like a
new GDM-theme...).
Let's fight;-)
Am Samstag, den 05.01.2008, 11:23 + schrieb Who:
All,
On my schedule for this (potential) process, today was the day to
decide whether or not we wanted to do this. Very few people have
answered... Please answer.
As it stands, with one suggested theme and no leader for it, we can't
go ahead. There is just no point. Is there any support for this idea,
or are people only here because they want to design the default theme
(serious question, not an attack! ...please answer)
In summary, here is why I think it is a good idea to do this
* If you want your design to be available to Ubuntu users, this is the
only certain way to do it
* In the past, this team has had most success developing community
themes (my opinion, but see below)
* If we want to be taken more seriously as a team in the future,
getting good stuff done well without offiicial hand-holding is
important
* Developing these themes is fun, seeing people using your theme is great
But if we don't get people able to run them/do design we can't go
forward. It is only sensible for me to drive a process like this a
certain amount (i.e the leaders need to want to do it!, and do does
the team)
It occurs to me that if we can't even make a complete theme of ANY
style to a good standard, we shouldn't expect to be taken seriously
when we ask to design the default theme!
Happy answering,
Who
On Jan 3, 2008 9:59 AM, Frank Schoep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
To all the new people around here - please pay attention to Who, he
has been around here for a good while and knows the drill. …
Absolutely – there are a few people on this list who've been around
for quite some time. I think this list is very fortunate to still
have experienced people like Who and Troy around, but it's also good
to see a lot of new enthusiastic people sharing their vision.
…
We came close to the real deal once, was it Dapper?, where we got a
few community themes, bundled, but not enabled, by default.
I think you are referring to Edgy, as the Theme Teams were introduced
in that release. Eventually three themes ended up in universe, being
Blubuntu (Who / PingunZ), Peace (Chuck Huber) and Tropic (Viper550).
While varying in quality and polish, the mere fact they were included
was a sign that independent small community groups could work towards
their own vision *and* meet the hard deadline constraints that were
set for them.
This happened solely because of two things:
* A few people stood up and took responsibility for creating themes
Indeed. There was a deadline for Theme Team applications a few weeks
into the release cycle so that the theme leaders needed to be
involved from the start up through a few weeks before release. For
Edgy, four leaders stepped up with a serious proposal.
During the development period, we regularly discussed progress and
problems and where possible I tried to help out either myself or by
getting the right people in touch with each other.
* Daniel Holbach saved our asses with a lot of packaging work we
really should have done our selves
Daniel has historically helped out with a lot of packaging work,
indeed. For the Edgy Theme Teams, we made sure he only had one final
version to package per theme with room before the deadline, so they
wouldn't burden him much.
I think it would be very valuable to have a History Page on the wiki
outlining the success and Failures of the art team. That would
probably help to make it clear how we are doomed to repeat history
unless people step up an take responsibility.
While I can't say much about Feisty, Gutsy or Hardy-in-progress, I
could tell you about Edgy. As far as I know, Edgy was the first (and
last?) release to actively try and use community input as a viable
source for distribution artwork.
Postmortem I did an interview with Linux.com on the Edgy cycle, and
there's some half-decent comments from Slashdot, too:
http://www.linux.com/feature/58477
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/14/2241255
('Stroep' [sic])
It seems that all the history we built on the Wiki has been shoveled
elsewhere or been dumped in a landfill altogether, but if you can
find it, you might be able to reconstruct a decent timeline along
with the mailing list.
It was pretty high traffic during those days (July - October 2006)
and the ML / Wiki combination seemed to work somewhat satisfactory.
All in all, Edgy was edgy to me – as you can read in the interview
the idea was to try something new, community artwork by default, and
since
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Teams. Moving Forward. Making Stuff!
Thats my opinion. Thank you! Am Samstag, den 05.01.2008, 16:54 +0200 schrieb Nemes Ioan Sorin: I personally take this Civitas Forum in a semi-serious mode. Why ? I put here on this community some questions - in time - and I add some points in discussion. Responses, generally - just disappoint me. Where I talk about serious problems such a programmatic way to rethink UI elements design - giving some examples, other peoples respond me they don't like the color of my example [ where the color was not the problem on topic ] - so I see some discussions are done in parallel - some peoples talk about something - other peoples understand everything else - so being parallels they will not meet in the next gazillion of years. [this is not about Ken - I observe Ken has a good background, knowledges and leader qualities - this is good ]. So regarding your question Sebastian - I am designer - I respect my job rules - for some applications I have to design custom graphics for form elements, and UI. I do Plex WT theme for XP few years ago. I can design elements for a new Ubuntu theme. But also I see here some talented guys that can do the same. Not a single problem here with designers. But with decision power. How I can help when I say the things should be on this way(), from Usability point of view and other one after me will say no, you're not right ...so where my expertise can go ?. Is not important that I have some experience with this kind of things. Anyone will say NO and the problem is solved. ...waste of time, believe-me Sebastian - until the decisional mechanism is solved. Right now anyone is equal to anyone. This is the perfect terrain for the entropy rules (sad joke). For example shadowh511 said : I think of a clean, simple OS. the color brown represents cleanliness and simplicity, while blue represents sadness and fear. If we want to have people download hardy, why not give them a nice theme such as union and give them the desktop cube and the wobble windows and all of that eye candy How could I can take this seriously ? Regarding colors - the problem is solved before we born - so when he think, some peoples could affirm precisely where the problem is. Also a lack of maturity - why not give them a nice theme such as union and give them the desktop cube and the wobble windows and all of that eye candy From his point of view all problems are solved with some wobble and some eye candy. That's all. No problem with the enterprise user - which has other rituals / values - no problem that Ubuntu must penetrate there, eyecandy and wobble will solve all... even healthy problems maybe. Well - this is a complex product with long term effects. But some peoples want just to see how their dreams come true - not important if this is in benefit of all (or almost all users) or not. Also we not need a theme - there are a lot - we want to do default Ubuntu theme (with minimum 3 color variations). That's the point. Hardy will be LTS. Hardy will go on enterprises and offices. That mean thousands of peoples with vary ages. Hardy is not just for few peoples with free time. This theme must cover a social demand - to be easy received by all that peoples / to be easy to work with / to be visually pleasant. To be clean, useful and distinctive for Ubuntu. This is not so easy to obtain - anyhow some proposals will not go too far with diagonal stripes on the scrollbar OR semitransparent buttons (on scrollbar on others sides) - at least corporate users will hate that because affect the look focus - also those stripes does not represent anything if favor of clean principle, being from start a complication. Here must be a distinction about how we like and what is good. But this mean maturity and professionalism - not just I like this - I think that ..and so. Professionalism mean clear states in every domain Yes and No not I think this could be.. or .. Maybe..., or with states as Me, then Goethe So when I'll see a clean Idea in which I can believe OR when I'll see a structure where I can collaborate [anyhow you need to create a decisional structure - democracy, democracy but until when ?] - be sure I will participate with work and knowledge - on the mean time I am member of other Ubuntu teams and I have to fill daily bug reports and a lot of other stuff ... I will put some considerations about the Ubuntu 8.04 default theme in a later (maybe tomorrow) mail. We will see after that. Good luck - best wishes for everyone - and ..be minstrels not kings guys ;) SorinN Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Well said! I think that many people don't take us (you?) seriously. The current theme is years old... Nobody uses the default theme (except of me, I think...). If anybody woullead a team, I would join in. (I could do things like a new GDM-theme
