Fwd: Team Appointment Process - Poll
-- Forwarded message -- From: Andre Mangan Date: 11 June 2010 08:42 Subject: Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll To: David Fawcett On 11 June 2010 02:49, David Fawcett wrote: > I read this post a couple of times and it seems to me that you are > complaining that there aren't enough people actively involved in the process No, David, not complaining, just stating a fact. Those people who are currently active in Ubuntu-Au are a tiny portion of the total membership. > and then blaming the people who are bothered to get involved in the process > for being lazy? Where did you get that idea from? I am involved and I am not lazy. You might want to rethink your position. > That comment I would consider as rude. I think that you should read my post yet again. You seem to have misunderstood. If there is anything unclear, please say so and I will try to explain it to you. Andre > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Andre Mangan wrote: > >> All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting >> times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in >> Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes. >> >> The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users. >> Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote >> (as was the vote on IRC meeting times). >> >> Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention >> of "should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings". There is no >> point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au >> members. >> >> Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this >> person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately >> re-accreditation. >> >> To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and >> therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them >> that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have >> placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad >> and Ubuntu. >> >> "Laissez-faire" is just another term for administrative laziness. >> >> Andre >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 >>> andrew wrote: >>> >>> > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. >>> > >>> > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka >>> > >>> > >>> > HOW TO VOTE CARD >>> > >>> > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. >>> > >>> > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership >>> > team. >>> > >>> > >>> > Andrew G. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ubuntu-au mailing list >>> > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >>> >>> This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm >>> calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lisa Milne >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-au mailing list >>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >>> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
I read this post a couple of times and it seems to me that you are complaining that there aren't enough people actively involved in the process and then blaming the people who are bothered to get involved in the process for being lazy? You might want to rethink your position. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Andre Mangan wrote: > All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting > times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in > Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes. > > The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users. > Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote > (as was the vote on IRC meeting times). > > Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention of > "should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings". There is no > point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au > members. > > Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this > person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately > re-accreditation. > > To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and > therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them > that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have > placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad > and Ubuntu. > > "Laissez-faire" is just another term for administrative laziness. > > Andre > > > > > > > On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 >> andrew wrote: >> >> > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. >> > >> > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka >> > >> > >> > HOW TO VOTE CARD >> > >> > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. >> > >> > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership >> > team. >> > >> > >> > Andrew G. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ubuntu-au mailing list >> > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm >> calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. >> >> >> -- >> Lisa Milne >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT) bwright wrote: > How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit > here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0% > productivity isn't that the standard outcome of the democratic process? (little progress and lots of opinion.) > or are we going to do something. I don't understand the negative attitude to the meritocracy concept in this group. Do something. If done well people will help and follow. If done badly it will die or fork - in which case the process starts again. > I have noticed the > active participants are voting and the active members are the ones > that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not > wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not > participating. It is your choice. If I recall correctly, the number of members in 2010 quoted in the notification that the AU-LoCo was not "re-endorsed" was something like 14. The all time high was what? 64? 64 people should be able to resolve the situation where there is a single spokesperson and people who are doing good stuff can continue to do good stuff. 18 people to represent 14 is kingdom building gone mad. -- jmo -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Fwd: about "bouncing"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/10 21:10, Jared Norris wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian > Date: 10 June 2010 07:48 > Subject: about "bouncing" > To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > > Why is it that my requests are "bouncing" back to me and being ignored? > I have no other way to ask for help. > > During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the > following Error Messages: > 1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository > is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: > http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not > available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139 > Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem. > 2.-Failed to fetch > http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg > Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection > timed out > Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one. > 3.-Failed to fetch > http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2 > Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http: > 4.-Failed to fetch > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release > Can I get help please > > > Good evening all, > > I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his > permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to > the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to > provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described. > > Regards > > Jared Norris > (on behalf of the Ubuntu-AU mailing list moderators) > Thanks for forwarding this to the list Jared. Hi Victor, Point #1: The public key was changed with the release of Virtualbox 3.2. You will need to remove the old key & add the new one. You can find more info regarding how to add the new public key at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads Points # 2 & 3: Unfortunately the Getdeb website & repository are both down (again). See http://blog.getdeb.net/2010/05/web-site-and-archive-down-again.html for more info. If you need something from Getdeb, there is a browsable mirror at http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/pub/getdeb/ubuntu/pool/ where you can manually download the required deb file. I have been using that as a workaround until the repository is back online. I hope this helps Warm Regards, Mitch Towner (kermiac) http://mitchtowner.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMEOIVAAoJENegJk0fbKNMTSAIAK9+uYYVmmajxy9M/2xvy3g3 34NS0f3dA9+enh20jZwjEHf9RBO9v10t3aT+d7MFC1LHvDiK4BV7X19OVrpz5mE+ J0j89TTDnZTjRq2vwgSKbu2t89HidQYIylj11Nbe6rgMtLZtzjE+Yui2UfA2m7Ce LQUxus4/4cFlAgv+NlJnQDDdApKBLqrzQRs8yLgK8lH80OwQtIjlyk5e6cAcU6Zp 1FU4BojFPtODHlcospDNudgoeWC3ixuBnH4z8dCUt3IoZHk3aUz7Pnvy0mj7DcH6 O/i8Yn94cVPRDoe6Alqxh3Od1ai/+TRAg7g5K9SavbNJ/FztMkyi1uRNlQ+oOJ4= =Qul8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: about "bouncing"
Victor. I can help you out with problem (1) - I suspect it will also solve all the others also You have been using teh SUN version of virtualbox, not the one from the Ubuntu repository. Virtualbox is now an Oracle product, as such they have changed their key If you run : wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - It will fetch and install the new key Cheers -- Chris Martin m: 0419812371 -- On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian > Date: 10 June 2010 07:48 > Subject: about "bouncing" > To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > > Why is it that my requests are "bouncing" back to me and being ignored? > I have no other way to ask for help. > > During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the > following Error Messages: > 1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository > is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: > http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not > available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139 > Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem. > 2.-Failed to fetch > http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg > Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection > timed out > Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one. > 3.-Failed to fetch > > http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2 > Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http: > 4.-Failed to fetch > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release > Can I get help please > > > Good evening all, > > I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his > permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to > the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to > provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described. > > Regards > > Jared Norris > (on behalf of the Ubuntu-AU mailing list moderators) > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Blogs
Slightly off topic but who has blogs that are "techie" or have technical feeds? It would be interesting to see since I am addicted to information and I would like to grab tech news and tech adventures from this community. My blog is at http://bwright.uberwolf.com/feeds/programming/ and http://bwright.uberwolf.com/feeds/technology/ I find that the planet is low traffic and I would like to get some more information flowing through on the Ubuntu Loco front. Cheers. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
Why do people find structure so critical to a community. We are a group of people interested in Ubuntu and the progression of Ubuntu in Australia. Do we need to hold conferences with minutes and boards? None of this is at all binding so how can you expect anyone who does not get their "voted" leader in to at all follow any rules set by the leaders or follow any policy they disagree with? Pretty much you have no way of enforcing users comply to any of your demands. In my opinion the only viable option is to act as a community and not a company and let the community participate in activities they wish to participate in. I am prepared to participate in a constructive way to improve Ubuntu and open source and free software. I am not prepared to sit at an AGM. Just my 2 cents. But then again a conference would be cool if we could talk about tech? Such a strange idea. On Jun 10, 7:49 pm, Daniel Sobey wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... > > > :-) > > > Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: > > there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just > > attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) > > it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. > > > (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had > > an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) > > > - Jeff > > I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday > before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be > bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with > other people from the loco some time in the conference. > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Fwd: about "bouncing"
-- Forwarded message -- From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian Date: 10 June 2010 07:48 Subject: about "bouncing" To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com Why is it that my requests are "bouncing" back to me and being ignored? I have no other way to ask for help. During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the following Error Messages: 1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139 Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem. 2.-Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection timed out Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one. 3.-Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2 Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http: 4.-Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release Can I get help please Good evening all, I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described. Regards Jared Norris (on behalf of the Ubuntu-AU mailing list moderators) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0% productivity or are we going to do something. I have noticed the active participants are voting and the active members are the ones that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not participating. It is your choice. On Jun 10, 8:27 pm, Daniel Sobey wrote: > Hello Andrew, > > We had a long discussion in the meeting on how we should move forward > and what we want. > If you were not able to attend the meeting the logs are available > athttp://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20100608_0600.html > > There was a fair bit of discussion on how to move forward. > We want to be democratic and allow everyone to have their say. > How best do you think we should do this? > > I would not consider the poll that was created in the meeting as the > final and only decision, it is a step in the process. I would expect us > to decide on the direction with this poll and the further refine it > later on once we have a better idea on what everyone wants. > We need to build a consensus on what we want, so first decide on a model > and then work out details. > > We do not know what the best way of collecting the popularity of each > model. I do not know how popular the results will be by next meeting. > I would encourage you to express your opinion and vote in the > poll.http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
Hello Andrew, We had a long discussion in the meeting on how we should move forward and what we want. If you were not able to attend the meeting the logs are available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20100608_0600.html There was a fair bit of discussion on how to move forward. We want to be democratic and allow everyone to have their say. How best do you think we should do this? I would not consider the poll that was created in the meeting as the final and only decision, it is a step in the process. I would expect us to decide on the direction with this poll and the further refine it later on once we have a better idea on what everyone wants. We need to build a consensus on what we want, so first decide on a model and then work out details. We do not know what the best way of collecting the popularity of each model. I do not know how popular the results will be by next meeting. I would encourage you to express your opinion and vote in the poll. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... > > :-) > > Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: > there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just > attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) > it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. > > (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had > an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) > > - Jeff I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with other people from the loco some time in the conference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On 10 June 2010 09:02, andrew wrote: > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > team. > Hi All, I have just compared the 2 polls, the official[1] that was opened after the meeting last night and the new one started by Andrew Gaydon[2]. My first question is why the 4 votes that on the poll created by Andrew[2] have not voted on the official poll[1]? Starting a new poll does not make you look very responsible and team players. This looks to me as 'I am going to throw a patty and start my own poll cause things are not going my way' and hence my question above. [1] http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 [2] http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On 10 June 2010 09:02, andrew wrote: > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > team. I too am not voting on this poll as it already covered in the other poll. And suggest to others to vote in the other poll[1] that was talked about and cover in the last IRC meeting. Regards Dale [1] http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes. The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users. Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote (as was the vote on IRC meeting times). Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention of "should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings". There is no point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au members. Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately re-accreditation. To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad and Ubuntu. "Laissez-faire" is just another term for administrative laziness. Andre On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 > andrew wrote: > > > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > > team. > > > > > > Andrew G. > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm > calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. > > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
