[Ubuntu-be] [Fwd: Help promoting Ubuntu Global Jam]
Hello all, Is anybody interested in (helping) organize such an event? --- Doorgestuurd bericht --- Van: Jono Bacon Reply-to: "Ubuntu local community team \(LoCo\) contacts" Aan: loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com Onderwerp: Help promoting Ubuntu Global Jam Datum: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:20:27 -0700 Hi All, A little while ago we announced the Ubuntu Global Jam (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam) and encouraged as many LoCo teams as possible to get involved and organize events. This is an awesome opportunity to get together and help improve Ubuntu. I am really to see how we can better promote and encourage LoCo teams to get involved. Right now we have a few things: * Our wiki pages are largely complete at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam * We have monthly meetings - the next one is on Thursday at 11am Pacific / 2pm Eastern / 7pm UK * We have some tuition sessions coming up on 4th Sept and 18th Sept. I wanted to see what ideas you folks have for better spreading the word and to see if anyone would like to help? Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
[Ubuntu-be] Events in September - Activiteiten in september
Hi to all, It's time to start actively the preparation of the next events as follows: 06/09 Dipro fair Ghent 13/09 Dipro fair Antwerp 19/09 Software Freedom Day - HCC Vlaanderen OpenDeur Dag Wezembeek-Oppem 27/09 Dipro fair Hasselt Ubuntu-be needs your help : for the organization of the Ubuntu-booths, we need enthusiastic volunteers ! If you can spend a few hours to contribute to the promotion of Ubuntu, let it know in de mailing list and add your name in the wiki: Dipro fairs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs Software freedom day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/HCC_Vlaanderen_OpenDeurDag_2009-09-19 The same in Dutch: Het is tijd te beginnen met de organisatie van volgende activiteiten in september: 06/09 Dipro computer beurs in Gent 13/09 Dipro computer beurs in Antwerpen 19/09 Software Freedom Day - HCC Vlaanderen OpenDeur Dag Wezembeek-Oppem 27/09 Dipro computer beurs in Hasselt Ubuntu-be heeft hulp nodig: o.a. voor de organisatie van Ubuntu stands hebben we behoefte aan enthoesiaste vrijwilligers! Als je enkele uren kan besteden om Ubuntu te promoten, laat het weten via de mailing, voeg je naam in bij de wiki: Dipro computer beurzen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs Software freedom day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/HCC_Vlaanderen_OpenDeurDag_2009-09-19 -- Jean Ubuntu Belgium Events Team -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)
This is a discussion that's been around for a long time now. It has been a topic on almost half of the ubuntu-be IRC meetings. (although they weren't listed on the wikipage) There should be no discussion on what language you speak. If you want to talk in French, Dutch, German or English, do so. Do keep in mind tough, that you'll only reach a part of the audience. Some might not understand you, and others might learn something ;) But just give a thought on what audience you're targeting. For example: Don't go ask for volunteers for an even in Ghent trough a German or French text. You might reach more people when talking Dutch and/or English. (the obvious to state the obvious) As a personal thought, I don't really care what language the text is in. If it's French, I'll try to read it. If it's English or Dutch, I'll read it. Whenever I write, it's in English, so other people from other country's can (eventually) find and understand info in our archives. Creating separate groups would be as useful as giving up Ubuntu-be and have the Dutch part enlist on ubuntu-nl, the French part enlist on ubuntu-fr, etc.. (that's how it basically is atm) So far my opinion. But I've shared it many times on the IRC meeting, just as JanC and jean did. But it never ended the discussion. :( Hope it made a difference this time. Regards, Mike Morraye On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 01:09 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op zaterdag 11-07-2009 om 23:23 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef martijn > cielen: > > 1. Het consequente gebruik van het Engels. Dit is België, en hier zijn > > 3 officiële landstalen: Nederlands, Frans en Duits. Het gebruik van > > het Engels is dan ook compleet belachelijk, temeer daar een grote > > meerderheid niet eens deftig Engels kan schrijven (ja, ik ben een > > taalpurist). Ben je niet tweetalig? Of zitten er mensen op de lijst > > die niet tweetalig zijn? > > Begrijpelijk, maar dat brengt me meteen bij punt 2. > > There are many people who are bilingual mother-tongue/English, which is > exactly why we initially stated that we prefer English on this list. > > It's also no crime to make grammar/spelling errors (just try to make > sure most people understand). Except for 1 or 2 people on the list, > English is not their native tongue. > > And it's no crime to write in Dutch/French/German if you don't feel > comfortable to write in English (even if it's appreciated if you do). > > > > 2. Ubuntu-be: waarom niet opsplitsen in een Ubuntu-vla en een > > Ubuntu-wal (bijvoorbeeld). Zo het sowieso veel makkelijker maken, > > aangezien Vlaanderen en Wallonië (o.a.) qua bedrijfscultuur totaal > > verschillend zijn (ik heb in beide landsdelen gewerkt). > > I know & have worked with people from several parts of Belgium (and > outside of Belgium), and I don't see that many differences? Can you > please explain? > > Also, considering that we barely have enough volunteers now, how do you > expect us to have enough volunteers if we split up in 4 or more > different groups? > > To give one point-of-reference: Jean, who's been coordinating most of > the computer fair booths recently, is French-speaking natively, but > living in Flanders (and he speaks Dutch very well!). Why would we want > him to limit his work to Flanders, and not Wallonia or Brussels? > > > > 3. Een totaal gebrek aan leiderschap dat inderdaad leidt tot > > maandenlange discussies over non-issues. Hoog tijd om een volwaardig > > bestuur aan te stellen. > > Do you have any proof that that will make things better? ;) > > BTW: I don't oppose establishing a "council" or something like that (I > can see some advantages to it), just that I'm not convinced that that is > the magic solution for all the perceived problems. > > > > 4. Versnippering van informatie: een oud zeer waar nodig aan gewerkt > > moet worden. > > What exactly do you mean by that? Information is certainly lacking in > some areas, but what do you mean by "versnippering" here? > > > PS: I'm happy to see any responses, reactions, critiques, etc. to this > thread! > > > -- > Jan Claeys > > -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Rechtsvorm van Ubuntu-be / Legal information about Ubuntu-be -
Hi to all, I'm catching up on the missed mails atm. I must say that this is a most interesting subject. As far as my opinion goes: The organization an roles are already split up quite well. Be aware that there can't be too many groups in a small pool of (currently) active members! What the ubuntu-be list is missing is transparency. The information on who's doing what, when, where, how, etc.. are already stockpiled somewhere on the wiki, ubuntu-be site, launchpad or the mailing lis archives. You can even find a history of the financial status somewhere out there. The problem in the first place is that it's hard to find the things you're searching for. As a result, it's harder to have a global overview. This makes it not only harder to find required information, but makes it also harder to contribute to it. It's also holding back the growth of the active members. It's hard for a "new" member to find it's way trough the piled information on the internet. When using the wiki, mailing list or launchpad one tend to feel himself/herself inside a chaos. If the information would be gathered in one place, this feeling would become a feeling of order, which still creates peace of mind, resolving in a more stable community. I have to note here that order does not necessarily need some kind of leadership or individual responsibility. I can't see any advantages of starting a 'vzw', or something similar. The only reason that has came up till now to do so are to put people in positions where they would be 'responsible'. That's not what a foss community should be like. So now I've told what, according to my humble opinion, the problem really is. I suppose the solution I suggest is quite obvious. Create transparency. Gather all the information together on one point. According to me, the ubuntu-be website would be the perfect spot. There can be links to the wiki pages and launchpad items can be integrated. (I guess there are api's for that?) So that's all folks! Kind regards, Mike Morraye On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 09:10 +0200, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > Hi all, > > it's a long mail here... > > Jan Claeys wrote: > > Op zaterdag 11-07-2009 om 21:07 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Matthew > > Deboysere: > > > > > > The only "mandatory management" in a "vzw" is about the legal > > obligations, it won't change much in the day-to-day management > > necessarily. > > > Well... if some person(s) would be held responsible (legally) for the > malfunctioning of the VZW, I assume they would be more prone to see that > operational stuff would happen correctly too - as they would be > addressed if there would come complaints... (not talking about "getting > sued" or "having to pay for stuff" ... just in being the official name > under it) > Furthermore, having your name under a VZW not working at all... isn't > something that lifts you up in the meritocracy... > > > >> En daar loopt het fout. Een beetje structuur kan geen kwaad. Die > >> lijst ken ik, maar 3/4 van de mensen daarop ken ik niet, hoor ik niet > >> en doen anderen hun taken. Een vzw hoeft daarom niet, maar een > >> verandering in structuur doet zeker niets fout. Integendeel. > >> > > > > Like I said, the wiki might be outdated... ;) > > > > If needed we can change that page; we just need other people to stand up > > and say they want to take over a responsibility. > > > Mmmm... this sound as if the big problem is "updating the wiki" and the > small side-issue is "to find new people". > We are really having trouble finding people that commit. > And I believe one major reason for that, is the organic structure of > Ubuntu-be (to say it nicely). > > Let's start off with an example: when I joined this mailinglist (few > weeks before the Intrepid release), I got here because I was looking for > a LUG to join. Some people suggested me to join this group and ask for > this. So I did. At the same time, the release parties were being > organized. In the line of this discussion, I discovered HCC Mechelen, > and said that I would be glad to come over and check out HCC. I also > landed on the list of Ubuntu-be volunteers (my own words: but I'm new, > I'll just look). I got on the list - I got no response on others. Jan, > you were there too - and up to present, in the perception of the other > members: I'm still "the spokesman" of Ubuntu-be and "an Ubuntu expert" > in HCC Mechelen. Actually, I'm neither one of them. If they ask me: "who > should I address if we want to organize something?" the only answer I > can give is: "the mailinglist". Now, that's not a very friendly "person" > - it might be, but it can be very ignorant too if accidentally nobody > has time. As new persons joining this list are not aware of our headless > state, I really believe they can go out very frustrated. This resulting > in a very bad publicity for the "Ubuntu community", which is promoted as > one of the pilars of Open Source Movements. > > Bottom line
[Ubuntu-be] Remember Ubuntu-be IRC meeting tomorrow 19/08/2009 at 21 h.
Remember IRC meeting tomorrow Wednesday 19/08/2009 at 21 h. on #ubuntu-be -- irc.freenode.net See agenda (in wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings) Future events 06/09 Dipro Ghent 13/09 Dipro Antwerp 19/09 Software Freedom Day - HCC Vlaanderen OpenDeur Dag Wezembeek-Oppem 27/09 Dipro Hasselt Promotion material New poster and flyer ... Organization of the Belgian LoCo Team Proposal https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/TeamOrganization Next meeting ? Proposed IRC meeting on 26/08/2009 at 21 h. -- Jean Ubuntu Belgium Events Team -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
