[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
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[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
** Changed in: df-libreoffice Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
This is an interesting idea and it will solve the issue partially. Enabling RTL by default would solve it completely. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
** Changed in: df-libreoffice Status: In Progress = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Hi, RTL language user here (Hebrew), I signed up just to tell you that I got to this page after a nerve breaking search thru the menus looking for the RTL option exactly as Shahar described. I was even more frustrated when I found out that the button is present on my sister's Windows machine running LibreOffice, but not on my Ubuntu laptop. A little research is not gonna scare a CS MSc student of course, but every friend I know would have uninstalled the program or just stop using it. From my experience, Usability Performance. What benefit do I get from an allegedly (did you actually benchmark the thing with and without the feature on and saw a meaningful difference?) faster program that I can't use? You want better performance? Go look for the option to disable CTL. I'm not supposed to be looking for the option just to be able to use it. If the performance is OK for Microsoft Office with the feature on, no reason it won't be fine for LibreOffice. Leave the damn thing on. And excuse my language aggression :) I just wanna see open source get as usable as retail products. Yigal. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
** Changed in: df-libreoffice Status: New = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
** Changed in: df-libreoffice Importance: High = Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Shahar Or, this is: - a clearcut upstream issue. - well documented in how to enable CTL, in both the LibreOffice built in help, and the LibreOffice wiki http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Languages_Using_Complex_Text_Layout . Resolving as Won't Fix in libreoffice (Ubuntu) and LibreOffice Packaging. This does not mean the issue will not be cared about, but if it is cared about (even by Ubuntu/Canonical contributors), it is done upstream at LibreOffice. ** Changed in: libreoffice (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: libreoffice (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Hi Yaron, Thanks for bringing this up here. Actually, my thought was to enable CTL at LibreOffice's startup, if a relevant input method is set up, or even enable it while a user is using LibreOffice, if the user changes their keyboard layout settings. Changing it during installation can be problematic if the user sets their keyboard layout only after the installation. Haggai -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Dear Haggai, Friends, You actually mean that RTL (CTL) would be enabled if a relevant (RTL) keyboard layout is present and not an input method. But I think that we digress. If there's no good explanation as to why RTL support should be disabled by default than it might as well be enabled by default. Is this a build time switch? Thanks and Blessings, Shahar -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Hey guys! I discussed this issue with Haggai Eran and he had some improvements to offer: IMHO maybe the solution should come from LibreOffice's side. Meaning that during the installation the installer will check for installed locales or input methods (or both) and will enable it by default. This way adding the Hebrew layout but using the English US interface will still enable you to fully utilize the RTL abilities. I would like to thank Haggai Eran for pointing this issue when we talked, thanks Haggai!!! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Dear Friends, The best solution would be to just enable RTL controls by default. Thanks and Blessings, Shahar -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
** Summary changed: - RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users + [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 927931] Re: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
Launchpad has imported 1 comments from the remote bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47969. If you reply to an imported comment from within Launchpad, your comment will be sent to the remote bug automatically. Read more about Launchpad's inter-bugtracker facilities at https://help.launchpad.net/InterBugTracking. On 2012-03-27T23:04:08+00:00 Shahar Or wrote: Support for RTL, including those directionality controls, should be enabled by default, regardless of the user's locale. This is because many RTL users choose a non-RTL locale and are then left wondering where the RTL controls are. Here's the description from downstream Ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/927931 ---snip--- This is concerning the usability issue where an RTL user gets in front of LibreOffice and doesn't find the two directionality buttons in the toolbar (OMG!!!). He won't find them anywhere until he does 8 mouse clicks to turn the RTL feature on: Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Enabled for complex text layout (CTL) - CTL: Language - OK My mom can't do this :-/ . This is how this happens: CTL is off by default in LibreOffice, and thus RTL is, too. As I've been briefed, this is how it gets turned on for RTL users automatically: 1. RTL locales 2. A language support package of one of the RTL languages is installed The problem is that these two triggers for CTL don't cover all the situations where an RTL user runs LibreOffice. Many RTL users choose a non-RTL locale. They can also choose not to install any of the language support packages. The presence of an RTL language layout is all that indicates their RTL-ness :) Even when RTL users use a friend's/public computer as guests they expect the RTL buttons. Then, why make RTL off by default? Does it cost a lot of memory? Does it have bad Karma? :) The expectation to have those RTL buttons is because they seem to be always there in Microsoft Office since as far as I can remember. I never had to turn anything on. They were always there by default. In order to understand the severity of this issue, let me tell you what users do when they don't find those RTL buttons. They try to configure the toolbar, thinking that they must be disabled there. They find them enabled, actually. Although enabled in the toolbar, they don't appear :-O . After that they're quite lost so they might go to the correct Language Settings - Languages configuration section. There, they will not find RTL or Left to right. How would they know whether to enable the Enhanced language support for Asian languages or for Complex text layout? Most users would lose a few hairs by that point. ---snip--- Thanks and blessings, Shahar Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df- libreoffice/+bug/927931/comments/3 ** Changed in: df-libreoffice Status: Unknown = New ** Changed in: df-libreoffice Importance: Unknown = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/927931 Title: [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/927931/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
