Re: Ubuntu Online Summit this week!
I think the page needs an update. Not this time, probably is too late now, but in next UOS it should be updated (imo). https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5604/15573236857_202bfd89bf_o.jpg On 11/10/2014 04:28 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: Ubuntu Online Summit is once again upon us. This is a community event by and for the community. It's all encompassing and intends to cover a wide range of topics. You don't need to be a developer, project lead, member of a team, or even a member of ubuntu to join and participate. The only requirement is your passion for ubuntu and desire to discuss about it's future with others. The dates are set as *November 12-November 14th from 1400 UTC to 2000 UTC*. I would encourage everyone to take a look at the schedule as it evolves and considering joining in sessions they find interesting. Don't forget to register to attend! https://launchpad.net/sprints/uos-1411/+attend I'll see you at UOS. Nicholas -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Patch pilot report: 2014-11-11
Hello everybody, here's what I got done in my patch pilot shift: syncpackage g-wrap -s noskcaj -b 1390836 -f syncpackage pitivi -s noskcaj -b 1390799 -f syncpackage gtkmathview -s noskcaj -b 1390839 -f syncpackage jbigkit -s logan -b 1390596 -f syncpackage scim-tables -s r0lf -b 1390846 -f - synced. Please merge geary 0.8.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (pad.lv/1390344) Please upload lintian 2.5.30ubuntu1 (pad.lv/1390876) Please merge liblog-log4perl-perl 1.44 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (pad.lv/1388872) please merge filezilla from debian (pad.lv/1391431) Merge seahorse 3.14.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (pad.lv/1388425) video URL Extraktionsfehler (pad.lv/1368596) - uploaded. please sync scanbd from Debian unstable (pad.lv/1391466) - was already synced, ACKed removal request for scanbuttond. lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/webtest/merge - uploaded fixed version. Have a great day, Daniel -- Get involved in Ubuntu development! http://packaging.ubuntu.com Follow @ubuntudev on twitter.com/facebook.com/G+ -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
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dependency on pidgin-otr package
I'm wondering why it doesn't have the pidgin package as a dependency? Is there some other IM program that could use it? Just curious. -Kevin The world belongs to those who cross many bridges in their imagination, before others see even a single bridge. - inspirational Chinese proverb -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Update tzdata please
Russian timezones have big changes from 26.11.2014 http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/2014-August/23.html Update tzdata package in repository please. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
PulseAudio
2014-03-03 PulseAudio 5.0 has been released http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
modem-manager-gui does not show SMS in folder SMS/Incoming/Incoming messages!?
Hi, I use the modem-manager-gui version 0.0.16-2 with Ubuntu 14.04.1 64 bit. Incoming SMS messages appear only briefly as a note in the upper task bar at the right of the Ubuntu desktop. The folder SMS/Incoming/Incoming messages keeps looking empty! How can I store these SMS flashes in the folder? Thank you, Siggi -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
libxerces-c2-dev in debian jessie
Hi, I am trying to install ladybug from point gray in debian jessie but it was developed for ubuntu 12.04 As a dependence it has libxerces-c2-dev. I saw from the debian maintainer that he considers obsolete that package and requires to point the dependences to libxerces-c-dev that he says are now pointing to libxerces-c3-dev . I don't know how to deal with this problem. I downloaded the package libxerces-c2-dev_2.8.0+deb1-2build3_amd64.deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/libxerces-c2-dev/2.8.0+deb1-2build3 and trying to see their dependences: dpkg -I libxerces-c2-dev_2.8.0+deb1-2build3_amd64.deb paquete debian nuevo, versión 2.0. tamaño 772132 bytes: archivo de control= 17912 bytes. 747 bytes,17 líneas control 54704 bytes, 612 líneas md5sums Package: libxerces-c2-dev Source: xerces-c2 Version: 2.8.0+deb1-2build3 Architecture: amd64 Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Original-Maintainer: Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org Installed-Size: 5818 Depends: libxerces-c28 (= 2.8.0+deb1-2build3), libc6-dev | libc-dev Suggests: libxerces-c2-doc Conflicts: libxerces-c3-dev, libxerces25-dev, libxerces26-dev, libxerces27-dev, libxerces28-dev (= 2.8.0-2) Replaces: libxerces28-dev Section: libdevel Priority: optional Description: validating XML parser library for C++ (development files) Xerces-C++ is a validating XML parser written in a portable subset of C++. This package contains the development files for Xerces. It also contains various sample files. I guess that I can't install it on jessie, please show me some way to install it or to solve my problem to get ladybug working on jessie. Thanks in advance, Adrian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
PEP 394 and 397 suggest a simplified form `#!python2` — it works on Windows 7 and 8 just fine. But Ubuntu 14.04 claims ‘no such file’, though python2 is in PATH. I googled that issue and found only similar issue with DOS line endings, but I’m sure that mine script contains Unix ones. So I guess that form of shebang isn’t supported, which is unfortunate since it questions portability of programs written in Python. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
Hello everybody, i have the following problem in ubuntu 14.04, and I am hesitating to post a bug repport, but it's maybe better to ask you before. Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong. For exemple, the kanjis 究 is supposed to be written with its 5th stroke being square as it is shown in http://jiten.go-kanken.com/kanji/272.html . But by default in ubuntu, the 5th stroke is straight, a little like the 4th. I know there are different way to display characters, but the default font should follow some standard. It would be like using a fancy font for the default lating characters. The default font should follow the font MS Mincho that is the standard font in Japan, and there is a lot in free font that follow the standard. In ubuntu 12.04 we could install the package ttf-vlgothic to get a standard font, but this package was remove in the 14.04. Here is a short list of kanjis that are wrongly written by default in ubuntu 14.04 and there is certainly much more: 究 乗 降 語 換 違 雑 誌 I asked to some japanese to confirm me, and they agree with me that some kanjis are weird in the best case, or completly wrong. Thank you, Jitsumo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Fail2Ban not detecting AH01630 client denied by server configuration
Hello, /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/apache-auth.conf looks for the following regex pattern for failed authorization attempts: ^%(_apache_error_client)s (AH01797: )?client denied by server configuration: (uri )?\S*\s*$ In my log files a different client denied by server configuration entry is appearing for failed login attempts: [Mon May 05 15:46:07.213547 2014] [authz_core:error] [pid 8119:tid 139902360438528] [client X.X.X.X:54677] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: some_uri This appears to have changed in 12.04 so that the new error code AH01630 is being used rather than AH01797, as before. The fail2ban regex should be updated to the following, so that it catches both log entries: ^%(_apache_error_client)s (AH01(630|797): )?client denied by server configuration: (uri )?\S*\s*$ Thank you, -- Scott -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
live-build (lb_chroot_linux-image) does not support jessie (Contents-i386.gz ... ERROR 404: Not Found)
I received the following error while attempting a live-build of Debian
testing distribution jessie. I received similar errors with Debian 7.1
and Ubuntu 14.04. The example below is from the Ubuntu environment using
live-build version 3.0~a57-1ubuntu11. Please let me know if live-build
should support the jessie distribution or what else I should do? See
details below.
Thanks,
Rick
Failure:
[2014-10-14 15:20:56] lb_chroot_linux-image --verbose
--2014-10-14 15:20:56--
http://http.us.debian.org/debian//dists/jessie/Contents-i386.gz
Resolving http.us.debian.org (http.us.debian.org)... 64.50.233.100,
64.50.236.52, 128.61.240.89, ...
Connecting to http.us.debian.org (http.us.debian.org)|64.50.233.100|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2014-10-14 15:20:56 ERROR 404: Not Found.
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
Temporary work-around:
File: /usr/lib/live/build/lb_chroot_linux-image
Summary: Add ${LB_ARCHIVE_AREAS}/ to path in wget command for
--distribution jessie
replace:
# Get all firmware packages names mkdir -p cache/contents.chroot wget
${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}/dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}
with:
# Get all firmware packages names
mkdir -p cache/contents.chroot
if [ ${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION} = jessie ]
then
wget ${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}./dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/${LB_ARCHIVE_AREAS}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}
else
wget ${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}/dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}
fi
=
lb config setting (auto/config)
#!/bin/sh
set -e
lb config noauto \
--architectures i386 \
--linux-flavours 686-pae \
--apt-recommends false \
--cache true \
--cache-indices true \
--cache-packages true \
--cache-stages bootstrap \
--binary-images iso-hybrid \
--distribution jessie \
--memtest none \
--mode debian \
--bootloader grub \
--system live \
--backports false \
--bootappend-live boot=live config silent quickreboot noeject noautologin
username=user \
--verbose \
--mirror-bootstrap http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ \
--mirror-chroot-security http://security.debian.org/ \
${@}
live-build info:
geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ which
live-build
/usr/bin/live-build
geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ type live-build
live-build is /usr/bin/live-build
geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ dpkg -s
live-build
Package: live-build
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 808
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Architecture: all
Version: 3.0~a57-1ubuntu11
Depends: debootstrap | cdebootstrap | cdebootstrap-static
Recommends: cpio
Suggests: dosfstools, genisoimage, git, memtest86+ | memtest86, mtools,
parted, squashfs-tools | mtd-tools, sudo | fakeroot, syslinux | grub,
uuid-runtime, win32-loader, gnu-fdisk
Breaks: livecd-rootfs ( 2.75)
Description: Debian Live - System build scripts
live-build contains the scripts that build a Debian Live system image from
a
configuration directory.
Homepage: http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/
Original-Maintainer: Debian Live Project debian-l...@lists.debian.org
full --verbose build.log is attached.
Let me know if you need or have additional information.
Thanks,
Rick
build.log
Description: Binary data
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Please update e2fsprogs to newest one for bigalloc to work at least on Utopic
I see Utopic has 1.42.10-1.1ubuntu1 of e2fsprogs, I'd really like it to be at least 1.42.11 if not very latest, so systems with bigalloc could work properly, there are many minor bugs fixed, but also major ones like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=744953 Sami Olmari -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Gnats package, missing dependency: xinetd
I am new to gnats, but I am giving it a whirl. It needs the 'gnatsd' daemon to be started. A xinetd config file is distributed. This is the first time I encountered xinetd. It was not installed on my system. Also the config file has the service disabled. I am not sure that is what is meant. Worik -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) I voted for love signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
apt-build (add sub source_by_source)
Hi, I don't know English, so I put this also in Spanish. The email I got it with aptitude show apt-build in Ubuntu 14.04 I'm a programmer who doesn't understand the language PERL, so the change I made what can be corrected properly, the idea is that when you find the source code of a package doesn't end the script and continue with the following packages, greetings. The sub you add is: omite_paquete: 259 Modified lines: 256, 660 /***/ Hola, no se muy bien ingles, asi que lo pongo en español. El correo lo obtuve con aptitude show apt-build en Ubuntu 14.04 Soy programador pero no conozco el lenguaje PERL, por lo tanto el cambio que hice lo pueden corregir de manera correcta, la idea es que cuando no encuentre el código fuente de algún paquete no termine el script y continué con los siguiente paquetes, saludos. El sub que agregue es: omite_paquete:259 Lineas modificadas: 256, 660 apt-build Description: Binary data -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Link Filezilla and lftp against newer version of gnutls
Hello Filezlla and lftp are linked against gnutls26 which has a bug when trying to connect to tls/ftp sites resulting in: gnutls_handshake: Public key signature verification has failed. Using static Filezilla from https://filezilla-project.org/ and lftp from other Distributions works fine. Please link against a higher gnutls. Here are the bug reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls26/+bug/1261459 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lftp/+bug/1369375 -dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
ASUS T100 with 64-bit Ubuntu
Hi, Has anyone looked into enabling CONFIG_EFI_MIXED for 64-bit kernels? This kernel config option allows CPUs that support 64-bit long mode but ship with a 32-bit UEFI firmware (such as the ASUS T100) to run a 64-bit kernel, with the necessary thunking taken care of whenever firmware calls are required. To get this working out of the box, it'd be necessary to ship a 32-bit EFI boot loader as part of the 64-bit installation media. Apart from that, once the kernel is booted, the existing 64-bit userspace should work fine. There's a vibrant community on Google+ that I've been informed would be happy to test things out, https://plus.google.com/u/1/communities/117853703024346186936 -- Matt Fleming, Intel Open Source Technology Center -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 18:02 +0100, GatoLoko wrote: Since different distributions and unix systems may have different paths, you may want to use the env utility in a shebang like #!/usr/bin/env python2. Using /usr/bin/env will cause problems in certain conditions, such as when running under a virtualenv and other such environments. Also, for python 2.x scripts, you should always use /usr/bin/python, and if python3 is required, /usr/bin/python3. There is no guarantee that python2 will be a valid command. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Nov 11, 2014, at 01:04 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: Using /usr/bin/env will cause problems in certain conditions, such as when running under a virtualenv and other such environments. The general recommendation is that /usr/bin/env is a good shebang to use when your package is under development, but once deployed (e.g. installed in /usr/bin as part of a .deb), it should use an explicit path to a Python interpreter. That means /usr/bin/python for Python 2 and /usr/bin/python3 for Python 3. If you're using the Python helpers to build your distutils/setuptools-based packages, it should Just Work. Also, for python 2.x scripts, you should always use /usr/bin/python, and if python3 is required, /usr/bin/python3. There is no guarantee that python2 will be a valid command. Certainly true for the widest cross platform support, however on Debian and Ubuntu /usr/bin/python2 does point to the latest Python 2 release (e.g. python2.7). Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 13:04:38 Rodney Dawes wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 18:02 +0100, GatoLoko wrote:
Since different distributions and unix systems may have different paths,
you may want to use the env utility in a shebang like #!/usr/bin/env
python2.
Using /usr/bin/env will cause problems in certain conditions, such as
when running under a virtualenv and other such environments.
Also, for python 2.x scripts, you should always use /usr/bin/python, and
if python3 is required, /usr/bin/python3. There is no guarantee that
python2 will be a valid command.
The problem is that one Linux distro went insane and pointed /usr/bin/python
at a python3 version, which is the only reason the PEP creating
/usr/bin/python2 exists, so thanks to them there is no common shebang one can
be sure will always work. /usr/bin/python works fine everywhere but one
distro, so that's what I'd use too. /usr/bin/env python{2} is fine for
developer oriented packages where they may want to override the default python
version in some contained environment, but risky for things that are part of
an actual system.
Scott K
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Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:35:09PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 13:04:38 Rodney Dawes wrote:
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 18:02 +0100, GatoLoko wrote:
Since different distributions and unix systems may have different paths,
you may want to use the env utility in a shebang like #!/usr/bin/env
python2.
Using /usr/bin/env will cause problems in certain conditions, such as
when running under a virtualenv and other such environments.
Also, for python 2.x scripts, you should always use /usr/bin/python, and
if python3 is required, /usr/bin/python3. There is no guarantee that
python2 will be a valid command.
The problem is that one Linux distro went insane and pointed /usr/bin/python
at a python3 version, which is the only reason the PEP creating
/usr/bin/python2 exists, so thanks to them there is no common shebang one can
be sure will always work. /usr/bin/python works fine everywhere but one
distro, so that's what I'd use too. /usr/bin/env python{2} is fine for
developer oriented packages where they may want to override the default
python
version in some contained environment, but risky for things that are part of
an actual system.
I'm glad that python2 is in Debian and Ubuntu (do you know offhand which
releases?).
Which distros is it still not supported in? Are they likely to catch up?
Do you see a path to a world where compliance with PEP 0394 is the right
approach, making the transition to python3 easier?
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
Thanks,
Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/
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Re: Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong
Hi Jitsumo, On 2014-10-13 12:30, jits...@gmail.com wrote: i have the following problem in ubuntu 14.04, and I am hesitating to post a bug repport, but it's maybe better to ask you before. If we conclude that something should be fixed, a bug report is the way to go. Default japanese font for Ubuntu 14.04 is wrong. It's not clear to me what you mean by default here. On a fresh non-Japanese install, the package fonts-takao-pgothic is available. However, so is the package fonts-droid, and since the Droid Sans Fallback font is kind of 'featured', it probably takes precedence over TakaoPGothic for rendering Japanese contents. Is that the situation you are talking about? If you install Japanese, you get fonts-takao-mincho and fonts-takao-gothic in addition to fonts-takao-pgothic, and when Japanese is the selected display language, the system is configured to use Takao fonts. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-takao/003.02.01-9ubuntu2 So can you please clarify which situation you are referring to. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: PulseAudio
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:05:57AM AEST, Nomen Nescio wrote: 2014-03-03 PulseAudio 5.0 has been released http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio This is known, however we have some very tight integration with PulseAudio, both for the Desktop and the phone, and updating all the integrated components in lockstep takes time. Chances are vivid will have PulseAudio 5.0 or even 6.0, but I cannot promise anything at this stage. Luke -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Nov 11, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Neal McBurnett wrote: I'm glad that python2 is in Debian and Ubuntu (do you know offhand which releases?). Which distros is it still not supported in? Are they likely to catch up? Sorry, I don't know off-hand. Do you see a path to a world where compliance with PEP 0394 is the right approach, making the transition to python3 easier? http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I suspect PEP 394 will mostly be a reflection of reality rather than a driver of downstream policy. E.g. I think it will be a very long time, if ever, that you'll see PEP 394 recommend, or widespread de facto adoption, of /usr/bin/python pointing to Python 3. Maybe by Python 4 wink. Hopefully though PEP 394 will stop other distros from doing insane things like was done with that one existing adventurous outlier. Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 05:19:38PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 11, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Neal McBurnett wrote: I'm glad that python2 is in Debian and Ubuntu (do you know offhand which releases?). Which distros is it still not supported in? Are they likely to catch up? Sorry, I don't know off-hand. Do you see a path to a world where compliance with PEP 0394 is the right approach, making the transition to python3 easier? http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I suspect PEP 394 will mostly be a reflection of reality rather than a driver of downstream policy. E.g. I think it will be a very long time, if ever, that you'll see PEP 394 recommend, or widespread de facto adoption, of /usr/bin/python pointing to Python 3. Maybe by Python 4 wink. Hopefully though PEP 394 will stop other distros from doing insane things like was done with that one existing adventurous outlier. Cheers, -Barry I should have clarified my point better. Scott's message recommended putting python, rather than python2 in shebangs, since it works in more distros. That seems to be In contrast with PEP 394, which says to use python2 rather than python, unless the code works in both python 2.x and python 3.x. That is in order to facilitate migration, and it would be necessary before anyone could make the next step you talk of (pointing python to python 3). That's why I'm wondering where the PEP 394 approach doesn't currently work, and when we might indeed recommend following the current PEP 394 standard. Thanks, Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: PulseAudio
I appreciate you work over the years making pulseaudio not a piece of shit. Poettering is like a leaf blowing in the wind with an attention span measured in dog years. For my main systems I use pure alsa. Everything needed can and is done through it and it's config files (yes they're complex, but that's the workflow I prefer on systems I want to have tight control over). When I need to record alsa is where it is at. It is easy to use alsa config to combine multiple sound cards into one many channel virtual sound card and record (conncurrently multitrack) using that. (Though I prefer to use one of the real non-computer multitrack recording devices) Pulseaudio, well it's fine on fire-and-forget systems I just install to be non-productive desktops. It has pauvcontrol, an easy gui for when I don't want to be bothered. That's its value. Alsa if better for everything else. Anyway, thanks for fixing what broke linux audio forever. I'm sure that was a long hard and thankless job. Someone made a mess, was incompetent, and you said finally he's gone not to fix this shit and make it work like it promised to. Thanks for that. (Note: as I said before, on important machines I don't run pulse audio or other always-on daemons: the kernel is a security nightmare as is, don't need more of the same type of complex code always running on security-neccesary systems.) Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 at 9:41 PM From: Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: PulseAudio On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:05:57AM AEST, Nomen Nescio wrote: 2014-03-03 PulseAudio 5.0 has been released http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio This is known, however we have some very tight integration with PulseAudio, both for the Desktop and the phone, and updating all the integrated components in lockstep takes time. Chances are vivid will have PulseAudio 5.0 or even 6.0, but I cannot promise anything at this stage. Luke -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies.
Erich Schubert is a male feminist. The sort of person who is in good standing with current debian social politics. He has taken to spread a number of falsehoods in his recent column. http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201411/2014110901-gr-vote-on-init-coupling.html#comments Dear Mr Schubert; He has not contributed anything to the open source community. This is a complete lie. I've contributed gigabytes of media alone. I've done years and years of programming work. I have done far more than you ever will. His songs and games are not worth looking at, Your subjective view. Coloured by your social views and your disdain for those who oppose you in that. and I'm not aware of any project that has accepted any of his contributions. The only objectively true thing you've said: you're not aware. I'm glad you're unaware, I hope that trend continues. I expect this post to be censored, it is par for the course for people like you. Sincerely; --MikeeUSA-- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies.
On 11 November 2014 23:18, Chateau DuBlanc chateaudubl...@post.com wrote: I expect this post to be censored, it is par for the course for people like you. I read it, which means it wasn't. However, it's really got nothing to do with this list. Sincerely; --MikeeUSA-- Sincerely, Please stop. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies.
That guy says the other guy didnt do anything contribs for opensource, then on the next line says the first guys music and games are crap. Well doesnt he admit that the guy contributed? He just doesnt like the games and music and such, doesnt mean they dont exist, doesnt change the license they are under. Id say programming under an opensource license is equal to contributing to opensource, or atleast to free software (maybe there is some nuance where opensource also requires one to have the right mindset and beliefs, not just release code under the right licenses?) Sent:Tuesday, November 11, 2014 at 11:21 PM From:J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com To:No recipient address Cc:Ubuntu Dev-Discuss ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject:Re: Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies. On 11 November 2014 23:18, Chateau DuBlanc chateaudubl...@post.com wrote: I expect this post to be censored, it is par for the course for people like you. I read it, which means it wasnt. However, its really got nothing to do with this list. Sincerely; --MikeeUSA-- Sincerely, Please stop. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies.
On 11 November 2014 23:25, Brad Townshend bradtownshend...@email.com wrote: That guy says the other guy didnt do anything contribs for opensource, then on the next line says the first guy's music and games are crap. Well doesn't he admit that the guy contributed? He just doesn't like the games and such. Please continue to reply with all your alias accounts. Best, J -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Response to Erich Schubert (systemd fanboi / male feminist) and his lies.
This is off-topic for this list, and the tone is not appropriate. Please keep posts topical and respectful. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com On 11/11/2014 06:18 PM, Chateau DuBlanc wrote: Erich Schubert is a male feminist. The sort of person who is in good standing with current debian social politics. He has taken to spread a number of falsehoods in his recent column. http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201411/2014110901-gr-vote-on-init-coupling.html#comments Dear Mr Schubert; He has not contributed anything to the open source community. This is a complete lie. I've contributed gigabytes of media alone. I've done years and years of programming work. I have done far more than you ever will. His songs and games are not worth looking at, Your subjective view. Coloured by your social views and your disdain for those who oppose you in that. and I'm not aware of any project that has accepted any of his contributions. The only objectively true thing you've said: you're not aware. I'm glad you're unaware, I hope that trend continues. I expect this post to be censored, it is par for the course for people like you. Sincerely; --MikeeUSA-- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why Ubuntu doesn’t support certain form of shebang for Python?
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 15:52:22 Neal McBurnett wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 05:19:38PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 11, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Neal McBurnett wrote: I'm glad that python2 is in Debian and Ubuntu (do you know offhand which releases?). Which distros is it still not supported in? Are they likely to catch up? Sorry, I don't know off-hand. Do you see a path to a world where compliance with PEP 0394 is the right approach, making the transition to python3 easier? http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I suspect PEP 394 will mostly be a reflection of reality rather than a driver of downstream policy. E.g. I think it will be a very long time, if ever, that you'll see PEP 394 recommend, or widespread de facto adoption, of /usr/bin/python pointing to Python 3. Maybe by Python 4 wink. Hopefully though PEP 394 will stop other distros from doing insane things like was done with that one existing adventurous outlier. Cheers, -Barry I should have clarified my point better. Scott's message recommended putting python, rather than python2 in shebangs, since it works in more distros. That seems to be In contrast with PEP 394, which says to use python2 rather than python, unless the code works in both python 2.x and python 3.x. That is in order to facilitate migration, and it would be necessary before anyone could make the next step you talk of (pointing python to python 3). That's why I'm wondering where the PEP 394 approach doesn't currently work, and when we might indeed recommend following the current PEP 394 standard. Personally, I think PEP 394 was a mistake. As I said, there is no single shebang you can use that will get the correct result on all distros. /usr/bin/python works on all but one. Creating /usr/bin/python2 as an attempted fix for their insanity didn't actually solve the problem anytime soon. If /usr/bin/python ever points to a python3 version in Debian/Ubuntu, then it's likely I'm not involved in the maintenance anymore. The sane plan would be just to retire it when python2.7 is no longer supported and just use /usr/bin/python3 (or whatever) after that. There's no benefit and only risk of pain to ever switching /usr/bin/python to point to python3. Even after python2.7 is removed from the archive, people will compile their own, so why ask for trouble. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
