Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Mackenzie Morgan 
On Thursday 26 March 2009 11:54:06 pm Jan Claeys wrote:
> Op donderdag 26-03-2009 om 11:42 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Mackenzie
> Morgan:
> > Yep, its 10 mbit internet
> 
> I hope you mean 10 Mbit/s, not 10 mbit/s...  ;)

My connection is 10 mbit.  Though the last ISP I had, the sales people tried 
to say 10 Mbit.  They didn't know there's a factor of 8 difference.  This is 
like that Verizon Math: $0.002 and 0.002¢ are totally the same thing...right?

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Christopher Chan 

> I suggest you go do some reading before claiming things...
>
> E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair is a good
> start:
>
> Ethernet over twisted pair refers to the use of a pair of copper
> cables, twisted around each other, for the physical layer of an
> Ethernet network (that is, a network in which the Ethernet
> protocol is used in the data link layer). There are several
> different standards for a copper-based physical medium. The most
> widely used are 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, and 1000BASE-T (Gigabit
> Ethernet), running at 10 Mbit/s, 100 Mbit/s, and 1000 Mbit/s
> (1 Gbit/s) respectively.
>
>   

Please do point out where it says megabit = 1000x1000 bits and not 1024 
x 1024 bits.

I guess the only possible point of contention would be what appears to 
be 1000mbits = 1gbit.

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Jan Claeys 
Op donderdag 26-03-2009 om 08:13 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Stephan
Hermann:
> TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500
> Gigabytes
> as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
> transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo
> == 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)

As said in another mail: (most?) network device vendors use kilo = 1000.

> Check for yourself...and be frustrated of different "standards" (which
> makes be lol again now ;))

The fact that (some) vendors don't follow standards doesn't mean they
aren't useful.  It just means they should be enforced better.


We don't want to go back to the time when an "inch" (or a "zoll" in
German) meant something different in every other village, don't we?


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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Jan Claeys 
Op vrijdag 27-03-2009 om 09:57 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef Christopher
Chan:
> They still do not use multiples of 1000 for kilo/mega/whatever. No 
> network device manufacturer has used anything other than 1024 for 
> kilo/mega/giga.

I suggest you go do some reading before claiming things...

E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair is a good
start:

Ethernet over twisted pair refers to the use of a pair of copper
cables, twisted around each other, for the physical layer of an
Ethernet network (that is, a network in which the Ethernet
protocol is used in the data link layer). There are several
different standards for a copper-based physical medium. The most
widely used are 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, and 1000BASE-T (Gigabit
Ethernet), running at 10 Mbit/s, 100 Mbit/s, and 1000 Mbit/s
(1 Gbit/s) respectively.


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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Jan Claeys 
Op donderdag 26-03-2009 om 11:42 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Mackenzie
Morgan:
> Yep, its 10 mbit internet

I hope you mean 10 Mbit/s, not 10 mbit/s...  ;)


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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Cheney 
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 13:57 +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 08:13 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> 
> > TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
> > as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
> > transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
> > 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)
> > 
> The latter isn't true either.
> 
> Network speeds are generally in thousands of bits per second and
> multiples thereof.
> 
> 
> The primary users of binary multiples is the RAM industry, since it's a
> fundamental multiple of how RAM works.

Or anything relating in any way to storage other than hard drive sizes
themselves, such as the size of sectors on various media
(hd/optical/etc), filesystem blocks, filesystem overall size and file
size limitations, etc.

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Christopher Chan 

> I believe he's talking about network devices manufacturer's (ethernet,
> wifi, modem, etc), which do indeed bis Xbps. You seem to be referring
> to the software interfaces and GUIs for downloads/uploads, i.e.,
> applications.
>
>   
They still do not use multiples of 1000 for kilo/mega/whatever. No 
network device manufacturer has used anything other than 1024 for 
kilo/mega/giga.

The best you can say is that ISPs use 'meg' when referring to megabit or 
mixing up the use of bit or byte with whatever prefix when referring to 
broadband connections..

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Felipe Figueiredo 
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Christopher Chan
 wrote:
> Scott James Remnant wrote:

>> Network speeds are generally in thousands of bits per second and
>> multiples thereof.
>>
> I don't know about you but I have never seen any network speed measured
> at anything other than the 1024 bits/bytes = 1 kilo and so on.

I believe he's talking about network devices manufacturer's (ethernet,
wifi, modem, etc), which do indeed bis Xbps. You seem to be referring
to the software interfaces and GUIs for downloads/uploads, i.e.,
applications.

regards
FF

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Christopher Chan 
Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 08:13 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>
>   
>> TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
>> as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
>> transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
>> 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)
>>
>> 
> The latter isn't true either.
>
> Network speeds are generally in thousands of bits per second and
> multiples thereof.
>   
I don't know about you but I have never seen any network speed measured 
at anything other than the 1024 bits/bytes = 1 kilo and so on.
>
> The primary users of binary multiples is the RAM industry, since it's a
> fundamental multiple of how RAM works.
>
>   
I have only noticed disk manufacturers put a footnote out saying that 
their KB/GB/whatever is defined as 1000 and not 1024. Everybody else 
uses the standard unit of every 1024 for kilo/mega/giga/whatever.

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Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-26 Thread Stewart Johnston 
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> I've noticed that, even among Ubuntu devleopers, not everyone is applying
> our best practices for reporting bugs.  In particular, reporting bugs
> directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach.  This should only
> be done if there is no better option.
>
> In almost all cases, it is preferable to report the bug using Apport.  This
> can be done in one of the following ways:
>
> 1. If the bug is a crash, apport should automatically generate a report and
> guide you in filing it.  Copies of the crash reports are stored in
> /var/crash in case you need to refer to them directly.
>
> 2. The "Help" menu in many applications includes an entry "Report a
> problem..." which will invoke Apport manually.
>
> 3. On the command line, you can run "ubuntu-bug " (or "ubuntu-bug
> ") to invoke Apport manually.  Kernel bugs should be reported with
> "ubuntu-bug linux".
>
> Using this method will automatically attach the relevant version
> information, log files, etc. where available.  This saves you time in filing
> the bug, and saves others time in analyzing it.  For example, filing a bug
> on the kernel will automatically include dmesg, lspci and so on.
>
> We're about to get flooded with bug reports from the beta, so please
> start using this method immediately, and encourage everyone else who reports
> bugs to do the same.
>
> More instructions for filing bugs can be found in the community
> documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
>
> Note that if someone files a bug without using apport, you can still take
> advantage of it to add the information later (assuming it's still relevant),
> by using apport-collect(1).  See
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html
> for details.
>
> If you'd like to enhance your packages to take better advantage of apport by
> attaching relevant data, please ask for help.  It's very simple once you
> know how to do it.  The basics can be found at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo
>   
Slightly to one side, when Apport starts and walks me through the 
process of filing a bug, the first thing I do is nip off and search 
Launchpad for the same bug, then if I find one I cancel apport.

Is this what I should be doing, or is it preferable to let apport finish 
and then mark the new bug as a duplicate?

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Re: gnome-pilot 2.0.17 released in January, Ubuntu still shipping 2.0.15

2009-03-26 Thread Sense Hofstede 
2009/3/26 Martin Pitt :
> Hello Matt,
>
> Matt Davey [2009-03-05 16:27 +]:
>> I hope this is the right list for contacting the Ubuntu gnome-pilot
>> packager.
>
> It's pretty undermaintained in Ubuntu, I'm afraid. I'm looking into
> the update now, I openend
>
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-pilot/+bug/348940
>
> to track it. I'd appreciate some people who could test it, since I
> can't, and nobody in #ubuntu-desktop has a Palm device either.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
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Hello,

I'm the owner of a Palm Z22. I'll see what I can do this weekend. I
hope I can be of use.
Are there still severe bugs in the program? I can't afford to lose the
device and its data.

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Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-26 Thread Derek Broughton 
Brian Murray wrote:

> You might be interested to know that reportbug has been modified in
> Jaunty[1] and that the package override is being changed to not point
> people to ubuntu-users[2].
> 
> [1] http://launchpad.net/bugs/228183
> [2] http://launchpad.net/bugs/326091

Not me.  I stopped being interested in these bugs years ago, when it was
clear that nobody was actually interested in fixing them.  Bug #7839 was
closed two years ago because devs (yes, Matt, you) considered it good
enough to just move reportbug out of main - never mind that it's been
broken as long as there's been an Ubuntu.  I subscribed to #7839 3 1/2
years ago, and it was already a year old.  So that's coming up to five
years so far, and I'll believe it's fixed when I see it.  Personally, I
believe there's a better chance of seeing a fix to bug #1.

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Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-26 Thread Brian Murray 
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:44:13PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> >> That's going to be news to the average user, of which a noticeable number
> >> are _still_ using the old bug tools to file a bug straight
> >> to "ubuntu-users"
> > 
> > We don't install those tools by default, while we do install apport. 
> 
> I know, but there's still a significant number of people using releases
> pre-Intrepid (or maybe hardy), which had reportbug, and we still see those
> bug reports.  I know there isn't much to be done about that, but telling
> everybody about - and how to use - apport will help.

You might be interested to know that reportbug has been modified in
Jaunty[1] and that the package override is being changed to not point
people to ubuntu-users[2].

[1] http://launchpad.net/bugs/228183
[2] http://launchpad.net/bugs/326091
 
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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Mackenzie Morgan 
On Thursday 26 March 2009 9:57:17 am Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 08:13 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> 
> > TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
> > as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
> > transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
> > 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)
> > 
> The latter isn't true either.
> 
> Network speeds are generally in thousands of bits per second and
> multiples thereof.

Yep, its 10 mbit internet...though usually the people selling it to you don't 
know the difference and will tell you 10 mbyte internet...So it sounds *great* 
on the phone...but that's really 1.2mbyte.

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Re: Auto-launching of applications

2009-03-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia 
Il giorno dom, 22/02/2009 alle 21.47 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo ha
scritto:
> Olá Matthew e a todos.
> 
> FYI a bug was opened after a bit of chat on #ubuntu+1
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

A second call for attention is needed here. This bug is causing a lot of
disagreement. Why not be more constructive and e.g. let the community
vote on it? People basically do not like the pop-up or pop-under, and do
not like to be informed of updates with a delay. It is the enthusiasm of
these people that made the success of ubuntu until now; their consensus
is important and it's not very obvious to everyone that the new solution
will actually improve the understanding of users. Users typically close
windows that they don't want to be bored by.

In my very humble opinion the change should be rolled-back and postponed
to the "k" release; OEMs can still re-enable it via gconf. In the
meantime a broader discussion to find a better solution should be done.

Moreover, the new notification mechanism had very few testing, and
already some important bug, so it does not seem a good idea to me to
include it in a stable release given that bugs in it may affect the
security of the system. 

V.



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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Scott James Remnant 
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 08:13 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote:

> TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
> as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
> transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
> 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)
> 
The latter isn't true either.

Network speeds are generally in thousands of bits per second and
multiples thereof.


The primary users of binary multiples is the RAM industry, since it's a
fundamental multiple of how RAM works.

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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Derek Broughton 
Stephan Hermann wrote:

> TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
> as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
> transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
> 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)

What makes you think network vendors would ever use kilobytes to mean 1024
bytes?  They want throughput to look good.

If you just stick to the accepted definitions, there's no confusion.
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Re: gnome-pilot 2.0.17 released in January, Ubuntu still shipping 2.0.15

2009-03-26 Thread Martin Pitt 
Hello Matt,

Matt Davey [2009-03-05 16:27 +]:
> I hope this is the right list for contacting the Ubuntu gnome-pilot
> packager.

It's pretty undermaintained in Ubuntu, I'm afraid. I'm looking into
the update now, I openend

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-pilot/+bug/348940

to track it. I'd appreciate some people who could test it, since I
can't, and nobody in #ubuntu-desktop has a Palm device either.

Thanks,

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Jaunty is wonderful

2009-03-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia 
Since I always complain of stuff, I want to send a post to say that I am
using jaunty on my office machine and I am in love with it :) Also the
new notifications are fantastic, evoution is fast and responsive,
openoffice 3 is great and so on.

Sorry for maing the S/N ratio worse!

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Re: Reason for removing animation from Gnome login?

2009-03-26 Thread Scott James Remnant 
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:10 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:

> No.  Sqlite likes to fsync().  Ext3 blocks the whole system when you
> fsync().  Remember when Firefox 3 first appeared in Ubuntu?
> 
Whereas ext4 will probably require you to fsync() almost every damned
time before you close a file.

http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/15/dont-fear-the-fsync/

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Re: Reason for removing animation from Gnome login?

2009-03-26 Thread Mario Vukelic 
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 23:38 +, Matt Wheeler wrote:
> Looking at the source for gconf2 it looks like the xml backend is
> abstracted quite neatly from the main body of the code so perhaps it
> wouldn't be too difficult to create an experimental sqlite/somedb
> backend and compare performance.

In fact, gconf was always intended to have pluggable back-ends including
a db, it's just that nobody got around to writing anything but the xml
backend.


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Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

2009-03-26 Thread Stephan Hermann 
Moins,

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:38:31 +0100
Jan Claeys  wrote:

> Op woensdag 25-03-2009 om 16:19 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Scott
> James Remnant:
> > On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 15:26 +, Max Bowsher wrote:
> > > This assumes you buy into the SI's naming scheme and can say
> > > things like "kibibyte" and "tebibyte" without bursting into
> > > giggles or groaning in despair :-)
> 
> > It isn't SI, it's IEEE
> 
> I think it's IEEE, CIE & ISO now (although I can't be sure about ISO
> as it's not freely available, but IIRC there is something mentioned
> in the table of contents that is publicly available on some national
> standards organisations sites).

TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)

Check for yourself...and be frustrated of different "standards" (which
makes be lol again now ;))

Regards,

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