Re: Upgrade issues
I've made enough progress to get work done but there are still things I don't like much as well as things that don't work. * I have not yet found which settings panel has the screensaver setup to make it run the slideshow over ~/Pictures. I would swear that this used to be part of the lock panel. * Even though I set my power settings to do nothing when the lid closes, I still had a hard lockup of my laptop when I got home from work on Friday. I had to reboot. * This evening I tried the lock screen and it would not accept my password. I had to restart gdm to get control back. * I have still not found out how to get launchers on the top tool bar. Nor have I found out how to put them in the less convenient Applications menu. For the time being I've got a couple desktop launchers for xterm and xemacs but they often get covered. * The desktop switching is cute and I am limping along with it, but it is not fast. I'm used to looking in the lower corner, seeing where I want to go and just sweeping the mouse down and clicking to get there. The upper right corner thing would be okay if it put your cursor on the current window so you could click and move really quickly. But even then, the miniature desktop views only include one screen and the things I am looking for are often on the other, really big screen that is to my right at home or work. * For most of these things, it would be much, much better to just click on the upper or lower tool bar and get the tool bar customization in a menu; do some click in the Applications to update and also there should be drag and drop into it and to the tool bars. In many ways I find workspace manager technology less friendly than in the old classics like cwm and afterstep. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
hi, Am Sonntag, den 01.06.2014, 23:49 -0700 schrieb Dale Amon: I've made enough progress to get work done but there are still things I don't like much as well as things that don't work. you have not told us from where to where and how you upgraded ... also what desktop you are running ... the fact that you run gdm seems kind of worrying unless you run plain gnome. ubuntu hasn't used gdm in years (and in a proper upgrade using update-manager it would have been replaced) ... did you try with a guest login or with a freshly created user as paul suggested above ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On 2 June 2014 10:05, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: hi, Am Sonntag, den 01.06.2014, 23:49 -0700 schrieb Dale Amon: I've made enough progress to get work done but there are still things I don't like much as well as things that don't work. you have not told us from where to where and how you upgraded ... also what desktop you are running ... In his last post, in a throw away line he asked Is there some simple change to make my gnome mate setup work properly again?. Why he did not point this out at the start, given that most of his problems seem to be UI related I can only wonder. Colin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:47:20AM +0100, Colin Law wrote: In his last post, in a throw away line he asked Is there some simple change to make my gnome mate setup work properly again?. Why he did not point this out at the start, given that most of his problems seem to be UI related I can only wonder. Perhaps I simply expected the upgrade to, well, upgrade my existing system. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
Here's another on my list of issues. xemacs now gives this error on startup. (1) (xim-xlib/warning) Warning: XCreateIC failed. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
You would make this easier for yourself and all of us if you start with a few basic bits of information: Which Ubuntu version did you use before the upgrade? What did you upgrade to? How did you do the upgrade? Which desktop did you use? I note you mention Mate which I don't know much about, but which until very recently seems not to even have been in the official repositories. Did you install it via a PPA? Did you use tweaks or other UI configuration management tools that are not officially supported by Ubuntu? If you used features unsupported by Ubuntu, you should ask the supporters of those repos and tools about how to do a clean upgrade. Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Pre-upgrade warnings and advice?
Ubuntu support for upgrades naturally depends on exactly what is being upgraded. Use of software from outside the official Ubuntu repositories (PPA repositories or .deb files or tar.gz packages or the like) means upgrades may be more complicated for the user. Is there anything in the official upgrade tools to remind users about use of ppas, non-repo packages, unofficial desktops or other potentially problematic bits of software like unofficial programs which tweak UI settings and the like? I recall some warning about some such packages at upgrade time, but I forget when it happens, what it includes, and what advice it gives. It would seem most convenient to have a safe, stand-alone application that would just look for such software and give good advice on what might not work, where folks might go or look for upgrade paths supported by PPA developers or other organizations, etc. It would help a lot if it didn't spew out too much information, e.g. by combining warnings for a set of packages into an overall warning about a particular desktop or suite of related packages with similar upgrade issues. Do things like that exist? Cheers, Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 01:32:48PM -0600, Neal McBurnett wrote: You would make this easier for yourself and all of us if you start with a few basic bits of information: Which Ubuntu version did you use before the upgrade? Saucy. What did you upgrade to? Trusty. How did you do the upgrade? do-release-upgrade Which desktop did you use? I note you mention Mate which I don't know much about, but which until very recently seems not to even have been in the official repositories. Did you install it via a PPA? I had Mate before. I am not sure that is what I was left with after the update. I have set the log in to Gnome Classic, which may not be what I want, which really is the Mate desk top. Did you use tweaks or other UI configuration management tools that are not officially supported by Ubuntu? Not yet. If you used features unsupported by Ubuntu, you should ask the supporters of those repos and tools about how to do a clean upgrade. Nothing yet, but I'll load in whatever it takes to get it customized back to something I find comfortable and useful for my daily job. As I noted, perhaps the time has come to leave Ubuntu and go to Mate. I am wavering first one way and the other, depending on what features I've managed to get set back to normal or am screwed up by at the instant. The big must fix items: * Critical: lockups on lid closure * Crucial: restore my launchers to the upper tool bar * slideshow screensaver running over ~/Pictures/* The don't like much issues: * Procedure of mouse to top left corner, sweep to far right edge to select desktop is slow. And the images only show one screen. Would prefer getting a lower tool bar desktop selector back. Speed counts when you are over worked. And note that you really do have at least one bug in the backdrop and lock panel. I have thousands of aviation photos in ~/Pictures and it cannot deal with it, only shows perhaps one of ten images for backdrop selection. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 02:18:52PM -0700, Dale Amon wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 01:59:23PM -0600, Neal McBurnett wrote: The appropriate way to deal with clear bugs is to report them in launchpad, along with the necessary details like steps to reproduce, kind of hardware, etc. Do you have bug numbers for these? It is not clear these are bugs. It seems more likely they are just items for which someone can say: Just do this or Just read this. The only one I think is a probable real bug is the inability of the backdrop panel to handle large numbers of files. You cut out the text of mine that you're responding to, but you'll see that in that reply I only was talking about the items that clearly are bugs: the large number of files and the lockups on lid closure. Did you subumit bug reports on them? As for the rest of your issues, as far as I can see Mate was in the universe component in Saucy, and thus does not have official support available. It should have community support, but that is hard, especially for very tricky stuff like seamless upgrades. I still suggest detailing your experiences in launchpad bug reports for those also - that is the best way to get help and to help others out, in my experience. Or, indeed, to switch to a distro that focuses on your preferred software, if it has a better track record or community for what you want to do. See more at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories: Universe The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open-source, and Linux world. It houses almost every piece of open-source software, all built from a range of public sources. Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software in the universe component, but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using these packages. Popular or well supported pieces of software will move from universe into main if they are backed by maintainers willing to meet the standards set by the Ubuntu team. Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pre-upgrade warnings and advice?
On 02/06/2014 21:49, Neal McBurnett wrote: Ubuntu support for upgrades naturally depends on exactly what is being upgraded. Use of software from outside the official Ubuntu repositories (PPA repositories or .deb files or tar.gz packages or the like) means upgrades may be more complicated for the user. It's always been my experience that when upgrading, all software that is not installed by default, are uninstalled and must be installed separately by the user after the upgrade. Mate would definitely fall in this category. (It is for this very reason that i don't upgrade every 6 months, and often skip a release or two.) However, all the settings of that software is still kept in the user home directory, so when you reinstalled the software, it should keep its configuration. Eg. if you use an email app other than Thunderbird, upon installing it after the upgrade, all your accounts and emails will be available again without having to configure it again. Problems can be expected, especially when using universe and multi-verse packages, since it does not necessarily go through the same rigorous testing before release. (For this reason I only upgrade 6 months after the release of a new version. Although it's nice to be cutting-edge, it does come with a risk (of being cut). Since Saucy, there is a useful app available in the PPAs which makes this process easier: *Aptik*. You can run it before the upgrade and it will record and save all the additional packages and PPA you have installed. If you run it again after the upgrade it allow you (to attempt) to restore all of those PPAs and packages again. In short, if you run a non-stock desktop, you need to be a bit more prudent when upgrading. Charl -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
