[ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction, please]

2008-06-08 Thread Rubén Hubuntu
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From: Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:43:14 +0200
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction, please]
To: John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I believe the best selling point we will ever have is freedom.

It's price is right, it's ethical and a technologically superior
software methodology.

We use ubuntu because we care about freedom!

R

On 6/8/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Sorry, I sent this from the wrong address.

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 Subject: FCN submission - your reaction, please
 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:49:18 -0500
 From: John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ubuntu-marketing ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com


 What follows is an article - rough draft which I just wrote as a
 possible submission to FCM as a My Opinion piece. Since it was
 inspired by the marketing team meeting earlier this evening my time),
 I'd appreciate your opinion and comments before I submit it. Excuse any
 typos as I have not yet proofed it. My eyes are too tired. Time for my
 drops and an hour or two in a dark room. I'll cgeck back later to see if
 anyone comments and to see what else is going on here.
 - --
 Peace!

 John


 - - ARTICLE TEXT ---
 I am writing this post because of my experiences today at my first
 meeting of the Ubuntu marketing team using IRC chat. One of the topics
 near the end of the meeting was a brief discussion of various
 communication technologies the team currently uses, the same
 technologies used by the rest of the Ubuntu community and its various
 sub-communities. I want to address the issue of communication from the
 perspective of someone who is new to Ubuntu and Linux, but not to open
 source software, which U have been using for almost 20 yearsm first
 Mozilla and then OpenOffice as well as others. I am also going to
 address this issue from the perspective of someone who is not a
 developer, just a nornal computer user - like the vast majority of
 people who use Windows. I also want to address this issue from the
 perspective of someone who has a visual disability and who wants to be
 an active member of the Ubuntu community, and especially the marketing team.

 Up until a couple of years ago, I was an online marketing consultant and
 writer, something I did for about fifteen years, so I think I speak with
 a certain amount of expertise and experience. I am also a writerm abd
 have been one online for almost twenty years, first writing marketing
 articles and more recently articles on religion and politics. I also
 have avery strong academic background in the social sciences, which
 gives me a certain level of credibility when talking about group
 dynamics and scoial behavior.

 My comments about communications within the Ubuntu community need to be
 understood against the background of fixing Bug #1, in other words,
 taking away some of Microsoft's overwhelming share of the operating
 system market. I joined the marketing team bvecause I an committed to
 doing that. To give my commitment to that bug fix some credibility, even
 though I have only been a member of the Ubuntu community for a little
 over a month, and a member of the marketing team for almost exactly a
 month, I have become an Ubuntero.

 Now, it seems to me that Ubuntu, like the other Linux communities that I
 have had some experience with, is comprised in a very large part of
 software developers of varying degrees of experience and expertise. And
 the primary focus of the community is in improving the product - the
 Ubuntu operating system. That is probably the way it should be, to a
 certain extent. But, no matter how good a product is, and I personally
 believe that Ubuntu is far superior to anything Microsoft has ever
 turned out, if people are intimidated by the community of users, then
 the average person will NOT be receptive to that product. And, to be
 honest with you, I have found my first month of being a member of this
 community very intimidating and very frustrating.

 To actively participate in this community, I have had to join a number
 of mailing lists. As someone who used Windows for 20 years and all the
 issues that come with using email on Windows machines, I learned to be
 very gun-shy about email, even with PGP signatures, although that does
 help. I stopped publishing my newsletter using email five years ago and
 switched to RSS. And I set up a number of forums for people to discuss
 issues within my site communities. Those are STILL the technologies I
 use today on my site and I love them.

 The people in the Windows universe who will be most receptive to
 switching to Ubuntu will be people like me - those who hate and fear the
 security vulnerabilties of Windows. But then they come here and discover
 that the things they learned to be most wary of, like email, are the
 most widely used technologies here. Arguing 

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Fwd: [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction, please]

2008-06-08 Thread Pierre Vorhagen
Hello,
concerning this part of the message:

Even if we focus our
efforts on helping the LoCos or other parts of the Ubuntu community by
providing resources for their marketing efforts, our ultimate focus has
to be outside the community. We are trying to convert people from
Windows to Ubuntu, not from the default desktop to Xubuntu or Kubuntu or
even from RedHat to Ubuntu. Our primary focus should always be on the
Windows user and on showing them the benefits of both the product and
the community.

I'd like to remind what we discussed and decided yesterday on IRC, about the 
marketing team's goals (
Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their release 
parties to the wider community. was one of them.) and, more importantly, the 
long discussed mission statement: The Marketing Team strives to create the 
building blocks needed by the Ubuntu Community to spread Ubuntu throughout the 
world.

So if the primary focus of every marketing active Ubuntero should indeed be on 
showing the benefits of the product and actually *doing the marketing*, the 
primary focus of _this team_ should, in my opinion and following what we 
decided, be to provide all the necessary resources and inter-marketeer contacts 
to do this at its best, not on-terrain work if you see my point. After 
discussing the matter we agreed that this was the best and most effective way 
of contributing to solve bug #1, for now.

A saying says: If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere 
else. That is why we had the meeting, and I believe that the success will 
greatly lie in not losing out of sight what the team's mission actually is.
(Reminder: Setting up the necessary and long-discussed infrastructure, which is 
to be used by the marketeers, aka. anyone who talks or advertises Ubuntu, 
anyone basically; individuals, Ubuntu teams and LoCo teams included.)
Of course, once we have achieved this goal, our mission statement will be able 
to change slightly, moving on to the maintenance of the infrastructure, and 
there will be more space for real actions, on-terrain marketing itself. But 
let's not precipitate us and take on one objective after the other. I think we 
should focus our efforts on the current objective we set ourselves yesterday, 
then move on to a broader one, once we have achieved it.

In a ll cases, we should wait for the meetings summary on 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Agenda before leading further 
discussions, so that we are all talking in accordance with the outcome of the 
meeting.

Best greetings,
pep,
Pierre Vorhagen.




Rubén Hubuntu a écrit :
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:43:14 +0200
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Fwd: FCN submission - your reaction, please]
 To: John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I believe the best selling point we will ever have is freedom.

 It's price is right, it's ethical and a technologically superior
 software methodology.

 We use ubuntu because we care about freedom!

 R

 On 6/8/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Sorry, I sent this from the wrong address.

 -  Original Message 
 Subject: FCN submission - your reaction, please
 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:49:18 -0500
 From: John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ubuntu-marketing ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com


 What follows is an article - rough draft which I just wrote as a
 possible submission to FCM as a My Opinion piece. Since it was
 inspired by the marketing team meeting earlier this evening my time),
 I'd appreciate your opinion and comments before I submit it. Excuse any
 typos as I have not yet proofed it. My eyes are too tired. Time for my
 drops and an hour or two in a dark room. I'll cgeck back later to see if
 anyone comments and to see what else is going on here.
 - --
 Peace!

 John


 - - ARTICLE TEXT ---
 I am writing this post because of my experiences today at my first
 meeting of the Ubuntu marketing team using IRC chat. One of the topics
 near the end of the meeting was a brief discussion of various
 communication technologies the team currently uses, the same
 technologies used by the rest of the Ubuntu community and its various
 sub-communities. I want to address the issue of communication from the
 perspective of someone who is new to Ubuntu and Linux, but not to open
 source software, which U have been using for almost 20 yearsm first
 Mozilla and then OpenOffice as well as others. I am also going to
 address this issue from the perspective of someone who is not a
 developer, just a nornal computer user - like the vast majority of
 people who use Windows. I also want to address this issue from the
 perspective of someone who has a visual disability and who wants to be
 an active member of the Ubuntu community, and especially the marketing team.

 Up until a couple of years ago, I was an online marketing