Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team Members
I was the most vocal about being kicked "w/o notice". however I recognize the need to prune both launchpad and most definitely the wiki entries. There are about 15 of us active now and many of the early leaders have unfortunately been diverted to other priorities. (thanks for adding me back in btw) With the greatly increased traffic on this (and other Ubuntu) list(s), I would like our team leads to please consider some mechanism (launchpad maybe) to announce meetings and changes that stick out from the normal pile. Pretty please with sugar on top. :-) 48 hours lead time on drastic measures would be helpful. I seem to be 24+ hours behind the rest of you. Thanks, Joey Jan Vancura wrote: > Matthew Revell wrote: > >> On 29/06/06, Jan Vancura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I'm sorry to labour the point, but I can't see the part where we >> agreed to prune the Launchpad list. All we agreed, as I see it, is to >> prune the wiki list and you kindly stepped up to contact the people on >> the wiki list to let them know we're using Launchpad for the >> membership list. >> >> Anyway, unless someone wants to point that I've been an idiot and >> missed something, I'll leave it there :) As I said previously, I think >> this is just the growing pains while we all settle into getting to >> know one another, etc. >> >> Cheers! >> >> > Hehe - I suppose it might've been clearer. But we agreed to _remove_ the > wiki list, and prune "the memberlist". Now I admit that it hasn't been > specified there which memberlist was meant, but IMO it is quite clear > that "the memberlist" is the one in launchpad, as it is larger, in > launchpad and has the mentioned 70 people on it. > If this caused anyone to nod to a decision they didn't agree with, I > truly apologize. The damage is done, however, and we now have a clean > list of about 20 people, all of whom are active. > > Jenda > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team Members
Matthew Revell wrote: > On 29/06/06, Jan Vancura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Jun 28 21:27:44 And does everyone agree with removing the >> wiki member list? >> Jun 28 21:27:50 what are the issues with the memberlist >> at the moment? Dud members? >> Jun 28 21:27:53 jenda: Yes >> Jun 28 21:27:56 I'll contact all the people on it and ask >> them to join LP >> Jun 28 21:28:04 jenda: yes, go with Launchpad >> Jun 28 21:28:07 dotwaffle: 70 of them >> Jun 28 21:28:16 jenda: I see. Ok. >> Jun 28 21:28:18 OK, any objections? >> Jun 28 21:28:19 yup launchpad >> Jun 28 21:28:26 jenda: no >> Jun 28 21:28:34 *jenda is waiting for a yes ;) >> Jun 28 21:28:37 OK >> Jun 28 21:28:40 whoa >> Jun 28 21:28:40 settled. > > I'm sorry to labour the point, but I can't see the part where we > agreed to prune the Launchpad list. All we agreed, as I see it, is to > prune the wiki list and you kindly stepped up to contact the people on > the wiki list to let them know we're using Launchpad for the > membership list. > > Anyway, unless someone wants to point that I've been an idiot and > missed something, I'll leave it there :) As I said previously, I think > this is just the growing pains while we all settle into getting to > know one another, etc. > > Cheers! > Hehe - I suppose it might've been clearer. But we agreed to _remove_ the wiki list, and prune "the memberlist". Now I admit that it hasn't been specified there which memberlist was meant, but IMO it is quite clear that "the memberlist" is the one in launchpad, as it is larger, in launchpad and has the mentioned 70 people on it. If this caused anyone to nod to a decision they didn't agree with, I truly apologize. The damage is done, however, and we now have a clean list of about 20 people, all of whom are active. Jenda -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team Members
On 29/06/06, Jan Vancura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jun 28 21:27:44 And does everyone agree with removing the wiki member list? Jun 28 21:27:50 what are the issues with the memberlist at the moment? Dud members? Jun 28 21:27:53 jenda: Yes Jun 28 21:27:56 I'll contact all the people on it and ask them to join LP Jun 28 21:28:04 jenda: yes, go with Launchpad Jun 28 21:28:07 dotwaffle: 70 of them Jun 28 21:28:16 jenda: I see. Ok. Jun 28 21:28:18 OK, any objections? Jun 28 21:28:19 yup launchpad Jun 28 21:28:26 jenda: no Jun 28 21:28:34 *jenda is waiting for a yes ;) Jun 28 21:28:37 OK Jun 28 21:28:40 whoa Jun 28 21:28:40 settled. I'm sorry to labour the point, but I can't see the part where we agreed to prune the Launchpad list. All we agreed, as I see it, is to prune the wiki list and you kindly stepped up to contact the people on the wiki list to let them know we're using Launchpad for the membership list. Anyway, unless someone wants to point that I've been an idiot and missed something, I'll leave it there :) As I said previously, I think this is just the growing pains while we all settle into getting to know one another, etc. Cheers! -- Matthew Revell www.understated.co.uk -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team Members
Matthew Revell wrote: > Did you mean to send this to just me or to the list as a whole? :) > > On 29/06/06, Jan Vancura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We agreed on pruning launchpad as well - please see logs. > > I've read through the logs and I can't see anything that specifically > says that we should to prune Launchpad. Do you have a timing? > Obviously I've misunderstood what was agreed. > Have a mouthful :) Jun 28 21:24:59 jenda: i agree. any member list we have right now needs to be pruned to only the active members Jun 28 21:24:59 jenda: ...what the process of becoming an official Ubuntu team is? Jun 28 21:25:02 explaing what? Jun 28 21:25:05 ah Jun 28 21:25:15 matthewrevell: no i can't, haven't studied it. Jun 28 21:25:25 Oh yes Jun 28 21:25:32 thanks coopster, wouldda forgat Jun 28 21:25:32 jenda: AFAIK you have to show quite a lot before even applying. Jun 28 21:25:40 matthewrevell, it appears you do a job of work, you hand your needs to the CC and it goes forward from there Jun 28 21:25:42 matthewrevell: I don't plan to apply any time soon Jun 28 21:25:46 ompaul: Cool. Jun 28 21:25:48 are we not an official ubuntu team? we have LP, wiki, and members with Ubuntu support... ;) Jun 28 21:26:04 jenda: No, I tihnk we need to really prove what we can do first. Jun 28 21:26:10 Let's not discuss that please - it's not important for the work we do. Jun 28 21:26:17 matthewrevell: yes Jun 28 21:26:17 jenda: No? Jun 28 21:26:27 We do what we can Jun 28 21:26:28 nixternal: i guess improving, formalising communication is part of that process Jun 28 21:26:29 jenda, there are several ubuntu members in the MT - getting it rubber stamped would not be too hard Jun 28 21:26:41 ompaul: once there is some results Jun 28 21:26:54 coopster reminded me of an important point. Jun 28 21:27:04 Let's find out what we're doing before we get ahead of ourselves :) Jun 28 21:27:08 Does everyone agree with member-list pruning? Jun 28 21:27:11 jenda, we have a need, there is a mission, we have goals, and you can't have a distro team after you do the first release Jun 28 21:27:11 +1 dotwaffle Jun 28 21:27:13 :-) Jun 28 21:27:13 yup the membersilt thing Jun 28 21:27:15 dotwaffle: It's good to know what we're aiming for :) Jun 28 21:27:19 ompaul: i would think, results or no, having official team status is a plus, and we should do that provided it doesnt distract us from doing the things that make the results Jun 28 21:27:32 <_sara>yeah for the member list pruning Jun 28 21:27:38 coopster: we won't get official status without results. Anyway, let's move on :) Jun 28 21:27:41 k Jun 28 21:27:42 @schedule chicago Jun 28 21:27:43 Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu Jun 28 21:27:44 And does everyone agree with removing the wiki member list? Jun 28 21:27:50 what are the issues with the memberlist at the moment? Dud members? Jun 28 21:27:53 jenda: Yes Jun 28 21:27:56 I'll contact all the people on it and ask them to join LP Jun 28 21:28:04 jenda: yes, go with Launchpad Jun 28 21:28:07 dotwaffle: 70 of them Jun 28 21:28:16 jenda: I see. Ok. Jun 28 21:28:18 OK, any objections? Jun 28 21:28:19 yup launchpad Jun 28 21:28:26 jenda: no Jun 28 21:28:34 *jenda is waiting for a yes ;) Jun 28 21:28:37 OK Jun 28 21:28:40 whoa Jun 28 21:28:40 settled. >> However, decisions themselves should be taken in meetings in real time. > > That seems to work well for other teams but we need to be inclusive, > and I'm certain you agree with that. > > The problem is that, unless we give everyone ample time to put their > view forward, we don't appear to be inclusive. There may times that we > reach agreement and make a decision on the list. We can then just > rubber-stamp it at a meeting. > > Like I say, this is just the growing pains of new people working > together. I don't see there being any major problems. > Agreed on all accounts. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team Members
Matthew Revell wrote: > Did you mean to send this to just me or to the list as a whole? :) > > On 29/06/06, Jan Vancura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We agreed on pruning launchpad as well - please see logs. > > I've read through the logs and I can't see anything that specifically > says that we should to prune Launchpad. Do you have a timing? > Obviously I've misunderstood what was agreed. > Have a mouthful :) Jun 28 21:24:59 jenda: i agree. any member list we have right now needs to be pruned to only the active members Jun 28 21:24:59 jenda: ...what the process of becoming an official Ubuntu team is? Jun 28 21:25:02 explaing what? Jun 28 21:25:05 ah Jun 28 21:25:15 matthewrevell: no i can't, haven't studied it. Jun 28 21:25:25 Oh yes Jun 28 21:25:32 thanks coopster, wouldda forgat Jun 28 21:25:32 jenda: AFAIK you have to show quite a lot before even applying. Jun 28 21:25:40 matthewrevell, it appears you do a job of work, you hand your needs to the CC and it goes forward from there Jun 28 21:25:42 matthewrevell: I don't plan to apply any time soon Jun 28 21:25:46 ompaul: Cool. Jun 28 21:25:48 are we not an official ubuntu team? we have LP, wiki, and members with Ubuntu support... ;) Jun 28 21:26:04 jenda: No, I tihnk we need to really prove what we can do first. Jun 28 21:26:10 Let's not discuss that please - it's not important for the work we do. Jun 28 21:26:17 matthewrevell: yes Jun 28 21:26:17 jenda: No? Jun 28 21:26:27 We do what we can Jun 28 21:26:28 nixternal: i guess improving, formalising communication is part of that process Jun 28 21:26:29 jenda, there are several ubuntu members in the MT - getting it rubber stamped would not be too hard Jun 28 21:26:41 ompaul: once there is some results Jun 28 21:26:54 coopster reminded me of an important point. Jun 28 21:27:04 Let's find out what we're doing before we get ahead of ourselves :) Jun 28 21:27:08 Does everyone agree with member-list pruning? Jun 28 21:27:11 jenda, we have a need, there is a mission, we have goals, and you can't have a distro team after you do the first release Jun 28 21:27:11 +1 dotwaffle Jun 28 21:27:13 :-) Jun 28 21:27:13 yup the membersilt thing Jun 28 21:27:15 dotwaffle: It's good to know what we're aiming for :) Jun 28 21:27:19 ompaul: i would think, results or no, having official team status is a plus, and we should do that provided it doesnt distract us from doing the things that make the results Jun 28 21:27:32 <_sara>yeah for the member list pruning Jun 28 21:27:38 coopster: we won't get official status without results. Anyway, let's move on :) Jun 28 21:27:41 k Jun 28 21:27:42 @schedule chicago Jun 28 21:27:43 Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu Jun 28 21:27:44 And does everyone agree with removing the wiki member list? Jun 28 21:27:50 what are the issues with the memberlist at the moment? Dud members? Jun 28 21:27:53 jenda: Yes Jun 28 21:27:56 I'll contact all the people on it and ask them to join LP Jun 28 21:28:04 jenda: yes, go with Launchpad Jun 28 21:28:07 dotwaffle: 70 of them Jun 28 21:28:16 jenda: I see. Ok. Jun 28 21:28:18 OK, any objections? Jun 28 21:28:19 yup launchpad Jun 28 21:28:26 jenda: no Jun 28 21:28:34 *jenda is waiting for a yes ;) Jun 28 21:28:37 OK Jun 28 21:28:40 whoa Jun 28 21:28:40 settled. >> However, decisions themselves should be taken in meetings in real time. > > That seems to work well for other teams but we need to be inclusive, > and I'm certain you agree with that. > > The problem is that, unless we give everyone ample time to put their > view forward, we don't appear to be inclusive. There may times that we > reach agreement and make a decision on the list. We can then just > rubber-stamp it at a meeting. > > Like I say, this is just the growing pains of new people working > together. I don't see there being any major problems. > Agreed on all accounts. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
