Re: 100 paper cuts and QA

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

@Elfy:

Contributing to One Hundred Papercuts is not like fixing a bug in any 
process it will emerge, but actually picking up the step *you feel 
comfortable with*.


All of these steps are already very *well documented*, although 
documentation is going to be *rewritten* and simplified specifically for 
this project. Only *one step* requires coding, and has only 5 bugs 
opened at this moment.


On the other hand, I'll show you to which papercuts the workflow points 
now 
 
(the step is setting importances 
); 
and then tell to me how much time and effort you'll need for fixing all 
of them ?


For finishing, I will *thank you* for liking the picks I designed so 
heartily (?). Hope you'll also take into consideration having taking two 
courses specifically for working in this project (one in Lean 
Management, and other in Community Management), along with my Computer 
Engineering studies ?


And I would *never* be able to do the above, as I said in bug #1049082 
 before 
starting with the project, if I had spent time chatting on something not 
related with *doing* (in the here and now).


Have a good night (if it's night there) ?


El 19/01/14 19:59, Elfy escribió:

On 19/01/14 18:48, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Because One Hundred Papercuts:

  * is designed for the average

user.
  * is composed by papercuts
 only.
  * uses a kanban  work-flow

(oh... I just realized I reinvented the wheel :)

To contribute to this project will be always *easier* than anything 
in Quality.




I beg to differ.

But I'll do it in a different thread - let's not confuse Simone any 
longer.


Nice pics - but that does nothing to deal with the fact that to be 
able to take part you need to be able to actually do something with code.


Is this not the case?

Pretty sure you see me about in the QA channel - come and find me and 
walk me through how to deal with something in One Hundred Papercuts - 
because from where I stand - booting an image and reading a testcase 
is never going to harder ;)


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100 paper cuts and QA

[Elfy]

On 19/01/14 18:48, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:

Because One Hundred Papercuts:

  * is designed for the average
 user.
  * is composed by papercuts
 only.
  * uses a kanban  work-flow

(oh... I just realized I reinvented the wheel :)

To contribute to this project will be always *easier* than anything in 
Quality.




I beg to differ.

But I'll do it in a different thread - let's not confuse Simone any longer.

Nice pics - but that does nothing to deal with the fact that to be able 
to take part you need to be able to actually do something with code.


Is this not the case?

Pretty sure you see me about in the QA channel - come and find me and 
walk me through how to deal with something in One Hundred Papercuts - 
because from where I stand - booting an image and reading a testcase is 
never going to harder ;)


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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

Because One Hundred Papercuts:

 * is designed for the average
   
   user.
 * is composed by papercuts
    only.
 * uses a kanban  work-flow
    (oh...
   I just realized I reinvented the wheel :)

To contribute to this project will be always *easier* than anything in 
Quality.



El 19/01/14 17:56, Elfy escribió:

On 19/01/14 16:32, Simone Guidi wrote:

Ok now i am confused
Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
> We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to 
manage.


So i think that is a easier point to start

Elfy wrote:
> The hundred papercuts project isn't for everyone - not everyone can 
code.
> To test - you need to be able to boot an image and then read a 
testcase :)


So testing is easier than The Hundred Papercuts ? or is the opposite ?
Anyway i'm a programmer so i know how to write code but i'm a newbie 
with ubuntu.

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QA and bugsquad are 'linked' we're all working towards the same goal.

Testing is easier that hundred papercuts.

If you can code then you would, I assume, be able to do both. I say 
assume because I've not the first idea about programming :)


Alberto Salvia Novella's "We also have a project for *newcomers*" 
doesn't actually mean it's easier.


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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Andrea Corbellini]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Simone Guidi  
wrote:


Ok i have a question i need to become tester before or can i start 
directly with this project ?
By the way, just to be more explicit: there are no requirements for 
anything. You are free to contribute in any area without joining any 
team/project.
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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Elfy]

On 19/01/14 16:32, Simone Guidi wrote:

Ok now i am confused
Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
> We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to 
manage.


So i think that is a easier point to start

Elfy wrote:
> The hundred papercuts project isn't for everyone - not everyone can 
code.
> To test - you need to be able to boot an image and then read a 
testcase :)


So testing is easier than The Hundred Papercuts ? or is the opposite ?
Anyway i'm a programmer so i know how to write code but i'm a newbie 
with ubuntu.

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QA and bugsquad are 'linked' we're all working towards the same goal.

Testing is easier that hundred papercuts.

If you can code then you would, I assume, be able to do both. I say 
assume because I've not the first idea about programming :)


Alberto Salvia Novella's "We also have a project for *newcomers*" 
doesn't actually mean it's easier.


Hope that makes it less confusing.

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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Simone Guidi]

Il 19/01/2014 17:17, Elfy ha scritto:

On 19/01/14 16:02, Simone Guidi wrote:


Il 19/01/2014 16:06, Alberto Salvia Novella ha scritto:
We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to 
manage.


Enjoy!


El 19/01/14 15:01, Jack Ramsay escribió:


Welcome,
You would be best suited for the tester role. Please have a look 
here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester also you should 
add yourself to the who we are page. Thanks for showing interest in 
helping.


On Jan 19, 2014 7:58 AM, "Simone Guidi" > wrote:


Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a
student .
I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this
awsome software .
I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki
today , on the TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing
list.


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Ok i have a question i need to become tester before or can i start 
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You don't have to be in one to be in the other.

You can of course be in both though.

The hundred papercuts project isn't for everyone - not everyone can code.

To test - you need to be able to boot an image and then read a testcase :)

Elfy

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Ok now i am confused
Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
> We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to manage.


So i think that is a easier point to start

Elfy wrote:
> The hundred papercuts project isn't for everyone - not everyone can code.
> To test - you need to be able to boot an image and then read a 
testcase :)


So testing is easier than The Hundred Papercuts ? or is the opposite ?
Anyway i'm a programmer so i know how to write code but i'm a newbie 
with ubuntu.


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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Elfy]

On 19/01/14 16:02, Simone Guidi wrote:


Il 19/01/2014 16:06, Alberto Salvia Novella ha scritto:
We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to 
manage.


Enjoy!


El 19/01/14 15:01, Jack Ramsay escribió:


Welcome,
You would be best suited for the tester role. Please have a look 
here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester also you should 
add yourself to the who we are page. Thanks for showing interest in 
helping.


On Jan 19, 2014 7:58 AM, "Simone Guidi" > wrote:


Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a student .
I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this
awsome software .
I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki
today , on the TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing
list.


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Ok i have a question i need to become tester before or can i start 
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Launchpad :https://launchpad.net/~gsimone21892
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You don't have to be in one to be in the other.

You can of course be in both though.

The hundred papercuts project isn't for everyone - not everyone can code.

To test - you need to be able to boot an image and then read a testcase :)

Elfy

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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Simone Guidi]

Il 19/01/2014 16:06, Alberto Salvia Novella ha scritto:
We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to 
manage.


Enjoy!


El 19/01/14 15:01, Jack Ramsay escribió:


Welcome,
You would be best suited for the tester role. Please have a look 
here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester also you should add 
yourself to the who we are page. Thanks for showing interest in helping.


On Jan 19, 2014 7:58 AM, "Simone Guidi" > wrote:


Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a student .
I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this
awsome software .
I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki today
, on the TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing list.


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Re: [Papercuts-ninja] Work-flow prototype

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

Since work-flow 
 starts at 
the latest step, this is done *deliberately*!


I'm now drawing a stream map 
, so you can 
understand why work-flow 
 has been 
designed like this.



El 19/01/14 15:18, Jack Ramsay escribió:


Good job with that. I would like to suggest one change. Please reverse 
the order of the steps so that it starts with 1 and ends with 5 with 
one being on the top and 5 on the bottom.


On Jan 19, 2014 4:36 AM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" 
mailto:es204904...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Can you make me a *favour*?

*Next time* you wanted to manage some bugs, please give this
little baby
 a
*try*; and then some (picky) *feedback*.

Have a nice day 🎏

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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

We also have a project for *newcomers*: ? One Hundred Papercuts 
, where bugs are *easier* to manage.


Enjoy!


El 19/01/14 15:01, Jack Ramsay escribió:


Welcome,
You would be best suited for the tester role. Please have a look here: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester also you should add 
yourself to the who we are page. Thanks for showing interest in helping.


On Jan 19, 2014 7:58 AM, "Simone Guidi" > wrote:


Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a student .
I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this awsome
software .
I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki today
, on the TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing list.


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Re: [Papercuts-ninja] Work-flow prototype

[Jack Ramsay]

Good job with that. I would like to suggest one change. Please reverse the
order of the steps so that it starts with 1 and ends with 5 with one being
on the top and 5 on the bottom.
On Jan 19, 2014 4:36 AM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" 
wrote:

>  Can you make me a *favour*?
>
> *Next time* you wanted to manage some bugs, please give this little 
> babya
> *try*; and then some (picky) *feedback*.
>
> Have a nice day 🎏
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Re: Presentation of Simone Guidi

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Welcome,
You would be best suited for the tester role. Please have a look here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester also you should add yourself to
the who we are page. Thanks for showing interest in helping.
On Jan 19, 2014 7:58 AM, "Simone Guidi"  wrote:

> Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a student .
> I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this awsome
> software .
> I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki today , on the
> TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing list.
>
>
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> Launchpad :https://launchpad.net/~gsimone21892
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Presentation of Simone Guidi

[Simone Guidi]

Hello my name is Simone Guidi , i'm 20 years old and i'm a student .
I'm new to the world of Ubuntu and i wanna learn about this awsome 
software .
I'm starting to contribute to Italian Ubuntu community wiki today , on 
the TestGroup and they have point me to this mailing list.



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Work-flow prototype

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Can you make me a *favour*?

*Next time* you wanted to manage some bugs, please give this little baby 
 a *try*; 
and then some (picky) *feedback*.


Have a nice day 🎏
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