Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal

[Dean Sas]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 13/10/06, Mark Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I wanted to suggest that a Ubuntu distro pre-built
>> with a collection of valuable life science applications would be of value to
>> academic and industrial researchers.
> Building a new ubuntu distro is a big step isn't it?
> 
> Maybe it would be better to start of small, first of all make sure all
> the needed packages are in the repositories, for now is going to have
> to be universe.
> 
> And then create a package that pulls in all the science apps, similar
> to ubuntu-desktop package.
> 

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how it should be done. It's the way 
ichtux (http://www.ichthux.com) have chosen, maybe you could get tips 
from those guys about getting the project started?

> On a side note, anyone actually have popularity-contest enabled?

Yes


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Torrent Client!

[Alan Pope]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 07:39:51PM +0100, Adam Challis wrote:
> I've become partial to rTorrent.
> 
> Had to compile it from source for the latest version but I like the
> following features.
> 

btlaunchmanycurses does all of what you describe also.

You just run

$ btlaunchmanucurses .

from a directory containing torrent files (or point it at one) and off it
goes. If you add .torents it picks them up, if you move them out the way it
forgets them.

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal - ?Biobuntu?

[Tony Arnold]

Michael,

Hi! Good to see an ex Manchester graduate on the list!

On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 15:14 +0100, Michael G. Wilkins wrote:

> I am an old code pusher/scientist - scientific programming,
> physics, graphics, etc  etc. [The 
> horrors of Fortran77!].  I did do some bsd and Silicon Graphics
> (purple machine)  unix back 
> in the early '80s - '86 or so,

I was heavily into VMS at that time but toyed a little with SunOS and
later HP-UX.

> A special 'Hello' to Tony Arnold, University of Manchester, simply
> because of his location.  
> 1959, old EE Building, U Manchester is where I was first seduced by
> computers -  the old Ferranti 
> Mercury machine.  Two 8kb disk drives (Wow!), stone tablet input,
> illuminated manuscript output, 
> racks of glowing 6SN7 double triodes ... .  A real computer!  I was an
> undergrad over in Physics, 
> Schuster Building?  Happy memories!  [Got my degree in '61 and
> immediately left for the U.S.A. 
> as part of the 'brain drain', had a semi-decent education and career
> over there for 40+ years].  

Thanks for the special hello! It'a appreciated. I didn't start at
Manchester until 1973, so I missed out on the Mercury and the later
Atlas machine. But there were probably people like Tom Kilburn and Dai
Edwards around at that time who were still in the Computer Science
department when I was there. You may recall it was Tom Kilburn and
Freddy Williams who built the Mark 1 machine which was commercialised as
the Ferranti Mercury machine. I feel it an honour to have known these
people.

Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Torrent Client!

[Adam Challis]

I've become partial to rTorrent.

Had to compile it from source for the latest version but I like the
following features.

* can control from anywhere as it's ncurses based so I can ssh in to my box
and control it
* You can set it up so that it monitors a folders for a new torrent file,
and automatically start it downloading. This combined with scp is pretty
useful :)
* running it within screen means that I can have it constantly running in
the background.

The only drawback is if you don't like working within a terminal window.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal

[stude . list]

On 13/10/06, Mark Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wanted to suggest that a Ubuntu distro pre-built
> with a collection of valuable life science applications would be of value to
> academic and industrial researchers.
Building a new ubuntu distro is a big step isn't it?

Maybe it would be better to start of small, first of all make sure all
the needed packages are in the repositories, for now is going to have
to be universe.

And then create a package that pulls in all the science apps, similar
to ubuntu-desktop package.

I don't know much about debian packaging but I imagine it shouldn't be
too hard to create a package to pull in a group of apps, its just a
dependency isn't it?

Convincing Canonical to spend resources on yet another Ubuntu variant
(YAUV :D) isn't going to be possible unless we can show that 1. its
possible, 2. its wanted and I think that if you start off with a
collection of packages in Universe it will be easier to convince
Canonical its going to be used if people are using the collection of
packages.

And of course Canonical can see what people are using, at least they
can if you send them the details (using popcon)

On a side note, anyone actually have popularity-contest enabled?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal

[gord]

I would say that their are a few large problems to overcome for anyone
wanting to create such an alternative. Science in general is a rather
large field, everything from ringing bells at dogs to quantum physics,
fitting all the software that such a wide range of people would need
onto a single CD might be a struggle, especially if you wanted to
include things like OpenOffice. Second, people can already get access to
the scientific software that is in the repository's.

Right now the different ubuntu's exist because there is a real use case,
edubuntu for schools, xubuntu for people with less powerful computers
and ubuntu/kubuntu because you can't fit both KDE software and Gnome
software onto a single cd. To justify a science ubuntu you would really
need a good working case for it to exist, weather it to be used in
university's or at home.


On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 21:53 +0100, Mark Forster wrote:
> Ubuntu UKers 
> 
> I wanted to float the idea of a possible Ubuntu project here. Given
> the rationale of edubuntu I wanted to suggest that a Ubuntu distro
> pre-built with a collection of valuable life science applications
> would be of value to academic and industrial researchers. 
> 
> It could also be a set of packages (and docs) to be added to an
> existing Ubuntu release.
> Applications that I would suggest including are listed below
> 
> Many of these apps exist on the Vigyaan live CD (www.vigyaancd.org),
> but what is needed  is the Ubuntu polish and 
> solid documantation on usage. 
> 
> What about a name 
> maybe Life Science Ubuntu, LSbuntu ? 
> The one I like is Biobuntu. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mark
> 
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> CCP1gui or Ghemical as a chemistry visualisation tool.
> MOPAC for semi-empirical quantum chemistry.
> MPQC for ab initio quantum chemistry.
> Gromacs for molecular dynamics. 
> 
> JChempaint or BKchem for molecule drawing in 2D
> OpenBabel for interconversion of chemical molecular structure formats.
> Jmol / Pymol for 3D molecular visualisation.
> 
> EMBOSS for bioinformatics - biological sequence analysis. 
> Tcoffee for aligning protein/DNA sequences.
> 
> R for statistical analysis and visualisation.
> GNUplot / Octave for data visualisation and graphics.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal - ?Biobuntu?

[Michael G. Wilkins]

    Hello everyone on the list - a new 
member here, living in rural Pembrokeshire where I am 
happily retired with a younger wife, older malt whiskey, 5 
Border Collies, 2 cats and chickens 
in the orchard.  Maybe a brief intro before some 
?Biobuntu? comments?  
 
    I am an old code pusher/scientist - 
scientific programming, physics, graphics, etc  etc. [The 
horrors of Fortran77!].  I did do some bsd and 
Silicon Graphics (purple machine)  unix back 
in the early '80s - '86 or so, but thats mostly all gone 
now, so basically I treat myself (and want 
to be regarded as) as a Linux noob.  It is far 
friendlier than I remember all that stuff being back 
then ... vast improvements in useability and effectiveness 
have obviously occured.  And I even 
still recognize some of the words!  Nowadays my 
interests run more to Guild Wars and Oblivion, 
and modifying and fiddling with my PC, rather than code 
pushing.    Why am I moving to Ubuntu? [Dual booting XP Pro 
and Ubuntu Dapper right now].  I HATE Windoze! And Vista promises to be 
a real monster.  And one can buy a lot of single malts and dog food for 
its price!      A special 'Hello' to Tony Arnold, 
University of Manchester, simply because of his location.  
1959, old EE Building, U Manchester is where I was first 
seduced by computers -  the old Ferranti 
Mercury machine.  Two 8kb disk drives (Wow!), stone 
tablet input, illuminated manuscript output, 
racks of glowing 6SN7 double triodes ... .  A real 
computer!  I was an undergrad over in Physics, 
Schuster Building?  Happy memories!  [Got my 
degree in '61 and immediately left for the U.S.A. 
as part of the 'brain drain', had a 
semi-decent education and career over there for 40+ 
years].   I would have loved to have 
volunteered to help at Linux World somehow (we very occasionally 
visit London) but that time frame is out, and anyway I 
have some  minor difficulties with travel (like 
wheelchair, oxygen ...).  But if there is maybe a way 
I could help the ubuntu cause, at least please 
ask ... .   [Especially if it involves killing 
Orcs, Trolls and Goblins!]
 
    ?Biobuntu?   O.K., WHY another release 
based on another (admittedly good) distro?  Most 
potential users of the Vigyaan live CD are, imho, not going to be opening 
it up and  modifying 
codes.  They want packages that work "out of the box" and with all the 
gory OS details hidden. 
Imho, anyway.   And why should the originators of all the 
separate packages be in favour of and 
support yet another distro basis?  Knoppix is not, imho, too friendly, 
but it is hidden from the user 
in Vigyaan, and does the job reasonably well.
 
    ?Question? on the side - anyone know a ref to a decent 
and fairly objective review and comparision of a number of the current live 
cd distros?  Friendliness, useability, bugginess (is 
that a word? - you all know what I mean!), modifiability, blah blah 
blah?  By the way, on the topic  
of distros, a friend turned up the other day with a copy of mepis.  I 
was not too impressed with the 
package itself, except for the documentation!  Which I think  was 
first-rate!  Ubuntu could maybe, 
imho, learn from the mepis style and content of docs??
 
    Back to ?Biobuntu? There 
are any number of fields where a collection of packages, comparable to Vigyaan 
but 
running on Ubuntu, might be useful/valuable.  At random: 
         - Statistics (Stabuntu?), 
emphasis on ecological, zoological, biological - spatial patterns, 
            clustering, 
dynamics, classification  ... .    
    - Or Pure Mathematics: topology (folding, knots, 
polyhedra,..); cellular automata; number     
        theory; tensor calculus (thats symbolic 
stuff); graph theory; some basic symbolic maths?,  ... 
.     - Or an area I came across 
recently - systems and compartmental, state variable modelling, 
in  
            biology and 
medicine.  Korn & Korn's Desire; the NIH compartmental modelling codes 
(name 
            escapes me);  
s-plane transfer function modelling; etc etc  .  Since a lot of the 
users might be 
            medical  
and  clinical, you really need to insulate them from the OS details!  
Ubuntu may be ideal here.
 
    The key here, I think, is to get 1 or 2 captive experts 
in the area, who can reliably advise on packages  .  
Plus someone to handle all the (massive?) paperwork!
 
         Anyway, 
Hello People!
 
         Off to a 
Maddy Prior concert!
 
         
    Michael aka Nackles
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Torrent Client!

[Adam Bagnall]

Azureus is damn good, and runs on just about everything because it's a 
java app.

STONE COLD wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any idea what the best torrent client in Ubuntu is? At the mo im using 
> Ktorrent..but its appalling..I did used to use Bitcomet in windoze...
>
> P.s is the there any way of moving downloaded files  from one torrent client 
> to another?
>
> Any suggesttions?
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>   


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