Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread bumaw 
http://about.skype.com/press/2011/05/microsoft_to_acquire_skype.html



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Jon Farmer 
On May 10, 2011 3:18 PM, "Mike Paglia"  wrote:
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> You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet service
all Internet protocols are open.

Tell that to Skype.

> You can use nslookup to find a valid entry for your provider or just ask
them.

Does anyone actually use nslookup anymore. I thought everyone uses dig these
days.

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[ubuntu-uk] Booting to ubuntu with VM, for now -- advice needed

2011-05-10 Thread doug livesey 
Hi -- so this is being typed from an Ubuntu VM under Mac OSX.
I've given up the hope of dual-booting for now -- maybe I'll try again
sometime later with 10.04.
However, I have 8 gig RAM on my MBP, yet seem only to be able to assign less
than 4 gig to my ubuntu image in VirtualBox -- I'm guessing because
VirtualBox isn't clever enough to figure out that I have two modules (both
report okay in Snow Leopard).
Is it possible to run a VM that has access to the majority (or, potentially,
all) of your processor and RAM?
Is there a better tool than VirtualBox that would allow me to do this?
I don't want to get too invested in this image if there's a better way to do
it out there.
Cheers for any & all help,
   Doug.

PS -- Sorry to any Geekuppers who have suffered a double post on this.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Kris Douglas 
On 10 May 2011 16:05, Avi Greenbury  wrote:
> J Fernyhough wrote:
>>
>> Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean
>> Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven
>
> Did those Hyper-V modules ever make it into the mainline kernel?

I am not entirely sure they exist in the mainstream kernel.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Avi Greenbury 

J Fernyhough wrote:

Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean
Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven


Did those Hyper-V modules ever make it into the mainline kernel?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread J Fernyhough 
On 10 May 2011 15:08, Mike Paglia  wrote:
> I don't believe at all that this is the end of the linux client!

Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean
Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven

“If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won.” -
Linus Torvalds

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Mike Paglia 
Just re-iterating Colin well picked up! :)


On 10 May 2011 15:38, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 10 May 2011 15:18, Mike Paglia  wrote:
> >
> > You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet
> service all Internet protocols are open. The CD
> > just Brands a windows based PC to the provider you are with. Make sure in
> your mail server settings that you have a
> > valid POP3 or SMTP server for BT.
>
> Nobody said you do, that is the whole point of this thread.
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> Colin
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Colin Law 
On 10 May 2011 15:18, Mike Paglia  wrote:
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> You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet service 
> all Internet protocols are open. The CD
> just Brands a windows based PC to the provider you are with. Make sure in 
> your mail server settings that you have a
> valid POP3 or SMTP server for BT.

Nobody said you do, that is the whole point of this thread.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Mike Paglia 
You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet service
all Internet protocols are open. The CD just Brands a windows based PC to
the provider you are with. Make sure in your mail server settings that you
have a valid POP3 or SMTP server for BT.

You can use nslookup to find a valid entry for your provider or just ask
them.

Mike

On 6 May 2011 22:04, J FRANCIS  wrote:

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>
> --- On *Fri, 6/5/11, J FRANCIS * wrote:
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> From: J FRANCIS 
> Subject:
> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Friday, 6 May, 2011, 22:02
>
>I have recently downloaded Ubuntu on to a computer.  I am unable to
> connect to my e-mail server who is btinternet.com.  Is there anyone on the
> forum,  using Ubuntu and using  btinternet.com. as their e-mail server
>
> BT say that they do not support Linux.  Is this so?
>
> Would appreciate any help or assistance.
>
> Many thanks and Regards
>
> John
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Mike Paglia 
I don't believe at all that this is the end of the linux client! Microsoft
are a huge concern who are out to make money. I believe they see there own
failings in the VOIP world and like most other companies where technology is
short they buy in from outside.

I see this as a positive step and coming from me a MAC and Linux user and a
prominent hater of the beast that is Microsoft says a lot.

Develop the product make it more open thats the way forward!

Skype as you all know is just one of the many VOIP/SIP providers out there
this just means it will make the competition work harder and show what is
possible with free software.

Mike

On 10 May 2011 13:20, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

> MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux?
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Hakan Koseoglu 
On 10 May 2011 14:09, Tyler J. Wagner  wrote:
> Because publicly-traded companies don't do that to profitable companies
> with valuable technology. It doesn't increase shareholder value.
Skype is $600+ million in debt and and last year lost $7m more. I
wouldn't call that profitable.

Even though it works reasonably well, Linux Skype client is lagging
Windows and hardly gets regular updates. An MS ownership will
definitely be the last nail in the coffin.
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[ubuntu-uk] Has anyone got 5.1 audio working from the rear jacks of a Nvidia ION board in 10.10?

2011-05-10 Thread Bill Cumming 
I've been trying to get my 5.1 headset to work in Ubuntu.
I get stereo on the headset fine but can't get it to put out 5.1 sound.

I've a Nvidia ION board (Zotec IONITX-F-E)
In XP the audio jacks work fine giving me 5.1 sound when i use my 5.1
headset.
But in Ubuntu 10.10 i only get left & right outputs.

I've started a thread in Ubuntu Forums
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796147#post10796147

Lot's of people having problems with 5. audio via HDMI cable but none with
rear sound jacks.

Anyone got any ideas to try??

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Tyler J. Wagner 
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:42 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> One commentator has suggested they've done it for the subscriber list
> and not for the technology...

Ridiculous. Skype's ability to pierce all forms of NAT and firewall puts
it miles ahead of MSN.

On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:33 +0100, Dan Attwood wrote:
> So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits?

Because publicly-traded companies don't do that to profitable companies
with valuable technology. It doesn't increase shareholder value.

It's easy to assume everything MS does is evil, and specifically bad for
Linux users. They are no friend of ours, clearly, but that doesn't
translate to making bad business decisions out of spite.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker 

On 10/05/2011 13:33, Dan Attwood wrote:

the other question to ask is, is this the end of skype?

The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger

So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits?




One commentator has suggested they've done it for the subscriber list 
and not for the technology...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Avi Greenbury 

Dan Attwood wrote:

The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger

So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits?


Because "Skype" is approximately synonymous with "VoIP" to most people - 
there's no sense getting rid of all that good brand at all, especially 
now it's not even a competitor.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Dan Attwood 
the other question to ask is, is this the end of skype?

The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger

So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread John Stevenson 
On 10 May 2011 13:20, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

> MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux?
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html
>

I cant see why.  If they mess around with the protocol then all they would
do is start to loose many paying customers for Skype that use Linux.  As
Microsoft look to do more things on the web they have been making them more
friendly to systems other than their own.

If they do something to restrict users then they will have less customers
and something else may be adopted as a Skype replacement.

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[ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

2011-05-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker 

MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Jacob Mansfield 
I throw them a virus from my `telnet mail.btinternet.com 25`
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On 10 May 2011 08:40, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

> On 10/05/2011 08:15, Jon Reynolds wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>
>>

 Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have
>>> they "installed it anyway". How can they "install it anyway" if you
>>> don't let them?
>>>
>>
>> 'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is
>> confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest this
>> and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, but they
>> do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer savvy, just like to
>> follow orders.
>>
>> I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can connect to
>> their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even just connecting an
>> ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's software, they still think
>> they (or BT) know better and blindly install everything BT throws at them.
>>
>>
> Oh right. I understand the frustration
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker 

On 10/05/2011 08:15, Jon Reynolds wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote:






Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have
they "installed it anyway". How can they "install it anyway" if you
don't let them?


'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is 
confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest 
this and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, 
but they do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer 
savvy, just like to follow orders.


I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can 
connect to their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even 
just connecting an ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's 
software, they still think they (or BT) know better and blindly 
install everything BT throws at them.




Oh right. I understand the frustration

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Jon Reynolds 

On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote:






Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have
they "installed it anyway". How can they "install it anyway" if you
don't let them?


'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is 
confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest 
this and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, 
but they do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer savvy, 
just like to follow orders.


I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can connect 
to their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even just 
connecting an ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's software, 
they still think they (or BT) know better and blindly install everything 
BT throws at them.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker 

On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote:

On Fri, 06 May 2011 22:27:21 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:


they might not support Linux, but then again they don't support
Windows or Mac either really! They just give you an IP address and
connect you to the internet, and optionally you can use their mail
servers over standard protocols that are older than Windows and work
perfectly fine on Ubuntu.

Alan.


Slightly related rant, what really grinds my gears are ISP who send 
you a CD and say you MUST install this software to use the internet, 
and then poor naive people do so, cluttering up their system and 
having an awful, ugly IE with about 5 rows of toolbars for everything...


I say to them, 'when I visit you with my Linux netbook, I just enter 
the wireless code and I'm on the Internet...I don't need to install 
all that crap'. But then the annoying buggers think I'm being smart 
and they install the software anyway. Well screw you and have fun with 
your cluttered slow system.



Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have they 
"installed it anyway". How can they "install it anyway" if you don't let 
them?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com

2011-05-10 Thread Jon Reynolds 

On Fri, 06 May 2011 22:27:21 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:


they might not support Linux, but then again they don't support
Windows or Mac either really! They just give you an IP address and
connect you to the internet, and optionally you can use their mail
servers over standard protocols that are older than Windows and work
perfectly fine on Ubuntu.

Alan.


Slightly related rant, what really grinds my gears are ISP who send you 
a CD and say you MUST install this software to use the internet, and 
then poor naive people do so, cluttering up their system and having an 
awful, ugly IE with about 5 rows of toolbars for everything...


I say to them, 'when I visit you with my Linux netbook, I just enter 
the wireless code and I'm on the Internet...I don't need to install all 
that crap'. But then the annoying buggers think I'm being smart and they 
install the software anyway. Well screw you and have fun with your 
cluttered slow system.



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