Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
LeeGroups wrote: >> Of course too there is the issue that the longer the cable from >> the modem to the phone socket you're more likely to loose some speed due >> to interference. >> > LoL! How much interference do you think there has been induced in the > MILES of cable between your 'local' telephone exchange and your home? :) > > A fair bit I guess. Saying that though in my case I get close to 7 Meg on my BT broadband connection, now only if BT would provide near to that speed all the time ;-) > BT recommend short cables because some people insist on using cheap, > poor quality cable around their homes and not terminating it correctly. > If you use decent stuff, it won't be a problem... > > Yep I used to use an extension cable in my old place, in fact when I first went on the internet back about 12 years ago I used a 14.4K modem attached to the PC and rather than using a phone extension cable I used about 5 old BBC Micro modems all dasiy chained through one another on the telephone passthrough connection. Strangely enough it worked! Now though my BT router is attached to the BT master socket through the supplied 2 Metre (I think) cable. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
> Of course too there is the issue that the longer the cable from > the modem to the phone socket you're more likely to loose some speed due > to interference. LoL! How much interference do you think there has been induced in the MILES of cable between your 'local' telephone exchange and your home? :) BT recommend short cables because some people insist on using cheap, poor quality cable around their homes and not terminating it correctly. If you use decent stuff, it won't be a problem... Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Farran Lee wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 21:01 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > >> Ferran, >> >> If I can get to my wife's house I might have a wireless router I can >> send you, if you draw a blank. Have a couple in the garage. >> >> But it might take a week or two. >> >> Sean >> >> > > oh cool, sounds good :) my friend's pc is in her room, about a million > miles away from the modem anyway - they weren't sure what to do for > internet bar lugging the whole pc downstairs every time. Of course I'll > discuss it with her (and parents) first, but otherwise thanks very > much :) > > A wireless router (or alternatively a wired router with either homeplug ethernet over mains adapters or a long ethernet cable) would be the ideal solution I'd say, otherwise if they only have one PC, a phone extension cable from the modem to the nearest phone socket might work although IIRC BT recommend not having an extension longer than 30 metres. Of course too there is the issue that the longer the cable from the modem to the phone socket you're more likely to loose some speed due to interference. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Sean Miller wrote: > He said it was a "dial-up ADSL broadband modem"... I think it's > something like an Alcatel, not a dial-up in the traditional sense (ie. > not 56k PSTN). Ah! Oh well, perhaps I shouldn't have bothered spending a couple of hours (again!) trying to get a 56kbps HSF modem working in Ubuntu; but it's all learning, isn't it? Trouble is, I've only ever managed this twice, and only once with Ubuntu: a Hardy on an ancient Compaq. (The other time was with Debian Etch on an equally ancient Dell laptop.) "Why do you do it?" I hear you cry. Because (like Everest) it's there! mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Mac, He said it was a "dial-up ADSL broadband modem"... I think it's something like an Alcatel, not a dial-up in the traditional sense (ie. not 56k PSTN). If you recall on Windows alcatel-type modems appear as "dial up networking connections", though they don't actually dial at all... just log in on demand. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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mac wrote: > ...Here's my notes Forgot... further detailed info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Sean Miller wrote: > I suggested a solution, which is to get a router. > I am afraid that trying to get things like Alcatel Speedtouch modems > etc. working takes more time than it's worth Faran >>> I tend to agree with Sean -- getting dial up working is a pain. I've done it a couple of times, and it's often a drag. Prompted by your post, I just tried to set it up on a fresh install of 9.04 (no, I didn't do the install specially for this test!). Here's my notes about how to do it. In theory. (Trouble is, it's not working. Modem isn't being detected, and this is on a machine where I had dialup working under 8.04. Rats!). Cheers mac NOTES: Check for modem: sudo lshw | grep -i modem (You may need to get some stuff using another computer with internet connection) Is it an HSF modem - if so, you'll need the driver. Using 9.04? First, you need to get and install the alsa-driver: www.linuxant.com/alsa-driver (unzip, and double-click the .deb to install. May take a VERY long time - be patient!) then get and install the hsf driver: www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads-ubuntu-x86.php Restart the system then Run wvdialconf. It should detect your modem and create a default wvdial.conf (in /etc/wvdial.conf). Edit this file to add the phone number, username and password for your ISP. Then run wvdial to connect. Once you're connected you can install gnome-ppp for easier non-cli access: sudo aptitude install gnome-ppp (The app should appear in Applications/Internet) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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It's nice to see everyone playing nicely again. And it's at times like this that I realise just how much communication is lost in a text-only medium. Cofion/Regards, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 21:01 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > Ferran, > > If I can get to my wife's house I might have a wireless router I can > send you, if you draw a blank. Have a couple in the garage. > > But it might take a week or two. > > Sean > oh cool, sounds good :) my friend's pc is in her room, about a million miles away from the modem anyway - they weren't sure what to do for internet bar lugging the whole pc downstairs every time. Of course I'll discuss it with her (and parents) first, but otherwise thanks very much :) -- Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Ferran, If I can get to my wife's house I might have a wireless router I can send you, if you draw a blank. Have a couple in the garage. But it might take a week or two. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 20:46 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > I suggested a solution, which is to get a router. > > I am afraid that trying to get things like Alcatel Speedtouch modems > etc. working takes more time than it's worth - there are a load of > routers out there being given away for free. By the time you've tried > to download drivers etc. you'll have spent so much time it would have > been better to have bunged somebody a tenner for their old router. > > That was my advice. > > I didn't like the way he said "I don't have any time, so you lot it > for me" or similar - felt it was not what the list is about. And > probably reacted too strongly. > > Sorry for being rude, not normally my way. > > Sean > ok thanks I did see the router bit, but as there was no other advice linked, I saw it as a bit of a cop-out - probably in the same way as you saw my comment. I didn't mean it in that way. However, no harm done, I'll have a look around in a couple of weeks. *goes back to revision* -- Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
I suggested a solution, which is to get a router. I am afraid that trying to get things like Alcatel Speedtouch modems etc. working takes more time than it's worth - there are a load of routers out there being given away for free. By the time you've tried to download drivers etc. you'll have spent so much time it would have been better to have bunged somebody a tenner for their old router. That was my advice. I didn't like the way he said "I don't have any time, so you lot it for me" or similar - felt it was not what the list is about. And probably reacted too strongly. Sorry for being rude, not normally my way. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
Sorry to flare this up any more, and I assure everyone this will be the only list email I send in relation to this - ill keep it off list if I need to respond. To Sean, What's the 'excuse' for you being rude in response? Sure, you provided an answer that he could have found himself with a little bit of time, but thats the same with anything. Google is great, but if you're not sure what to put in, it's pretty darn useless. This list is meant to help people who are having issues with ubuntu, and general discussion about things, not about slaying people because they're trying to do well in life and pass on their expertise to their friends at the same time. If it's of any importance to you, I'm 16 too, and am also in the middle of my GCSEs. IMHO, I did find your comments a little unconstructive and put him down somewhat. Age shouldn't matter. I'm sure he knows many things that you don't. Anyway to move on, I've emailed Farran off list as well, but I'm afraid I can't help with the actual issue. If you wish to discuss this further, please email me off list. James Milligan - 16 On 17 May 2009, at 19:48, Sean Miller wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Farran Lee > wrote: >> sorry, I'm sure I could find this on the net but don't have time. > > What makes you think we all have time if you don't? > >> How do I set up a dial-up-conenction on a friend's computer? ftr, >> it's >> BT dsl broadband modem that they use, don't know if this is relevant. > > It it's a BT DSL broadband Modem then it isn't dial-up. > > And, personally, I wouldn't bother... just find a cheap router and > connect it using a network cable. There are so many routers around > these days it really isn't, imho, worth messing around trying to get > DSL modems to work. Look on Freecycle, there's bound to be one there > for free. > >> Farran Lee >> I'm only 16 :P > > Why do people say things like "I'm only 16"? Is it to make excuses > for being rude on lists "I don't have the time but you lot must do, so > you'd better sort my issue"?? > > Sean > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
well actually I promised to help a friend, and I'm in the middle of exams (gcses in case you forgot) which is why I put I'm only 16 and that I don't have time. Typing an email and continuing revision is a hell of a lot quicker than researching it. Of course, if any of you do have time, then that is why you are on here. If you never have time, then obviously being on here is not for you. However, you obviously do have enough time, because you wrote unnecessary sarcy comments everywhere - possibly enough time to research the question properly. Nobody else has ever had a problem with my age, and I don't see why you should. I figured pointing out my age would help people understand better if I wrote weird things. If you want to have a go at me, please email me personally, off the mailing list. Btw, thanks for the advice. On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 19:48 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Farran Lee wrote: > > sorry, I'm sure I could find this on the net but don't have time. > > What makes you think we all have time if you don't? > > > How do I set up a dial-up-conenction on a friend's computer? ftr, it's > > BT dsl broadband modem that they use, don't know if this is relevant. > > It it's a BT DSL broadband Modem then it isn't dial-up. > > And, personally, I wouldn't bother... just find a cheap router and > connect it using a network cable. There are so many routers around > these days it really isn't, imho, worth messing around trying to get > DSL modems to work. Look on Freecycle, there's bound to be one there > for free. > > > Farran Lee > > I'm only 16 :P > > Why do people say things like "I'm only 16"? Is it to make excuses > for being rude on lists "I don't have the time but you lot must do, so > you'd better sort my issue"?? > > Sean > -- Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] dial up connection?
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Farran Lee wrote: > sorry, I'm sure I could find this on the net but don't have time. What makes you think we all have time if you don't? > How do I set up a dial-up-conenction on a friend's computer? ftr, it's > BT dsl broadband modem that they use, don't know if this is relevant. It it's a BT DSL broadband Modem then it isn't dial-up. And, personally, I wouldn't bother... just find a cheap router and connect it using a network cable. There are so many routers around these days it really isn't, imho, worth messing around trying to get DSL modems to work. Look on Freecycle, there's bound to be one there for free. > Farran Lee > I'm only 16 :P Why do people say things like "I'm only 16"? Is it to make excuses for being rude on lists "I don't have the time but you lot must do, so you'd better sort my issue"?? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/