Re: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed

2011-05-24 Thread William H. Magill 

On May 24, 2011, at 8:11 AM, krf...@aol.com wrote:

> From Monday's DP:
>  
> Another example of the best laid plans of mice (the Penn Real Estate Dept) 
> and men going awry. Penn's criteria for pricing and finding tenants for their 
> retail spaces have created a revolving door in many cases. This, on top of 
> providing an example for the impressionable undergrads of that venerable 
> institution about the types of businesses worthy of their patronage. Townies 
> trying to bootstrap themselves into business by the sweat of their brows need 
> not apply.
>  
> Well, one can hardly expect anything worthwhile from planners in general and 
> from the wonderful folks who tried to bring the neighborhood the "extended 
> stay hotel" at 40th & Pine in particular.
> -
> Alan Krigman
> KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc
> 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
> 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
> krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com
> Marathon Grill at 40th and Walnut closed
> 
> by Grace Ortelere | Monday, May 23, 2011 at 6:34 pm
> 
> 
> Many students may be sad to learn the University City location of the 
> restaurant Marathon Grill and its lounge MarBar closed their doors on Monday.
> The Marathon Grill located at 200 South 40th Street decided not to renew its 
> lease due to declining business over the last few years, Penn’s Executive 
> Director of Real Estate Ed Datz said in a statement.
> 
> The University City Marathon Grill opened in 2004, replacing a Burger King. 
> “When they came to this location, they brought a renewed vitality to the 40th 
> Street corridor, improving the economy, the activity, and safety of the area 
> in conjunction with other neighborhood development in West Philadelphia,” 
> Datz said.
> 
> According to Datz, the University is in the process of searching for a 
> proprietor to replace the retail space.
> 
> Marathon Grill has five other locations throughout the city which will stay 
> open, Datz said. Its restaurant at 929 Walnut Street has an affiliated 
> lounge, Upbar.

I don't know what Penn's Real Estate department has to do with Marathon's 
failure as a business.

It is my understanding that Marathon has been busted several times in the past 
couple of  years by LCB agents. Fines can have a devastating impact on a 
bar/restaurant's bottom line.

But ignoring that issue -- Marathon opened at Penn when the only competition 
they had was from McDonald's across the street.

Today, they have a HUGE number of competitors, from Distrito to the Greek Lady 
to Manakeesh to Blockley Pour to Local 44 to Dock Street ... not to mention the 
ones in the Radian across the street from them. 

It does not surprise me that their business is off as Karen Mentioned. 

Marathon's menu has nothing to offer a Philadelphia Foodie -- and there are far 
more of them today on Penn's campus than there were just 5 years ago.
Their menu is an overpriced and not particularly good version of "deli-food." I 
don't see them offering anything to appeal to the current tastes of Penn 
students, let alone neighborhood residents.

Personally, I haven't found anything worth eating there for the past (at least) 
2 or 3 years now ...  the "new" Greek Lady wins hands down for price, service 
and quality. Why bother with poor food and mediocre service when you have two 
Iron Chefs' facilities a block away!

You will also note that the "12" inside the adjoining Rave theater has not yet 
"re-opened" even after securing a Liqueur license this past December.


William H. Magill
Block Captain
4400 Chestnut Street

mag...@mcgillsociety.org
whmag...@gmail.com
 4428 Chestnut Street
 Philadelphia, PA 19104-2914
 (267-402-0529)










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RE: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed

2011-05-24 Thread Karen Allen 

RE: "When they came to this location, they brought a renewed vitality to the 
40th Street corridor, improving the economy, the activity, and safety of the 
area in conjunction with other neighborhood development in West Philadelphia,” 
Datz said."
 
Well, I have to tell you that I am absolutely floored to learn that Ed Datz and 
the UP Real Estate experts got this wrong. They know everything... and I know 
that because they told us so themselves. I mean, questioning them is like 
questioning Einstein's theory of relativity, or questioning that the Earth 
revolves around the Sun.  What do we tell the children
 
Coming  back to reality, this is the same type of thing that  Datz, Lussenhop 
and their cronies in the neighborhood said about why 40th and Pine would have 
been the perfect spot for the "Campus Inn". So imagine where we would all be if 
they had been successful in getting that  monstrosity built there-- someday 
we'd be reading about how the Campus Inn failed and that they now have no other 
choice but to turn it into a dormatory... 
 
And as for the Marathon Grille itself, I had been noticing that there didn't 
seem to be much patronage of its outdoor seating during nice weather, which 
seemed unusual since the new prevailing thought is that every business has to 
have outdoor seating. And it seemed even more unusual given that 40th and 
Walnut is a high traffic area.  


Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:58:11 -0400
From: glen...@earthlink.net
To: krf...@aol.com; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed









Yes, all of those campus corridors are a revolving door for businesses!  
Marathon Grill lasted longer than most.
According to a UCD executive, "people" didn't go west of 43rd St before 2003.  
I wonder how all those long term businesses beyond 43rd have survived beyond 
"people" and Penn's magic?  According to all the Penn research, graphs, and 
press releases only their type of domination and high prices can "revitalize" a 
neighborhood.  Hmmm. 
Penn doesn't care when they lure businesses to overpriced leases by telling 
them they've created the new Rodeo Drive.  If one of our neighbors wants to 
start a business on one of those revolving door corridors, please ask them to 
get their head examined! 
 
 
-Original Message- 
From: krf...@aol.com 
Sent: May 24, 2011 8:11 AM 
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
Subject: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed 


>From Monday's DP:
 
Another example of the best laid plans of mice (the Penn Real Estate Dept) and 
men going awry. Penn's criteria for pricing and finding tenants for their 
retail spaces have created a revolving door in many cases. This, on top of 
providing an example for the impressionable undergrads of that venerable 
institution about the types of businesses worthy of their patronage. Townies 
trying to bootstrap themselves into business by the sweat of their brows need 
not apply. 
 
Well, one can hardly expect anything worthwhile from planners in general and 
from the wonderful folks who tried to bring the neighborhood the "extended stay 
hotel" at 40th & Pine in particular.
-
Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com





Marathon Grill at 40th and Walnut closed
by Grace Ortelere | Monday, May 23, 2011 at 6:34 pm





Many students may be sad to learn the University City location of the 
restaurant Marathon Grill and its lounge MarBar closed their doors on Monday.

The Marathon Grill located at 200 South 40th Street decided not to renew its 
lease due to declining business over the last few years, Penn’s Executive 
Director of Real Estate Ed Datz said in a statement.
The University City Marathon Grill opened in 2004, replacing a Burger King. 
“When they came to this location, they brought a renewed vitality to the 40th 
Street corridor, improving the economy, the activity, and safety of the area in 
conjunction with other neighborhood development in West Philadelphia,” Datz 
said.
According to Datz, the University is in the process of searching for a 
proprietor to replace the retail space.
Marathon Grill has five other locations throughout the city which will stay 
open, Datz said. Its restaurant at 929 Walnut Street has an affiliated lounge, 
Upbar.
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Re: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed

2011-05-24 Thread Glenn moyer 








Yes, all of those campus corridors are a revolving door for businesses!  Marathon Grill lasted longer than most.
According to a UCD executive, "people" didn't go west of 43rd St before 2003.  I wonder how all those long term businesses beyond 43rd have survived beyond "people" and Penn's magic?  According to all the Penn research, graphs, and press releases only their type of domination and high prices can "revitalize" a neighborhood.  Hmmm. 
Penn doesn't care when they lure businesses to overpriced leases by telling them they've created the new Rodeo Drive.  If one of our neighbors wants to start a business on one of those revolving door corridors, please ask them to get their head examined! 
 
 
-Original Message- From: krf...@aol.com Sent: May 24, 2011 8:11 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed 
From Monday's DP:
 
Another example of the best laid plans of mice (the Penn Real Estate Dept) and men going awry. Penn's criteria for pricing and finding tenants for their retail spaces have created a revolving door in many cases. This, on top of providing an example for the impressionable undergrads of that venerable institution about the types of businesses worthy of their patronage. Townies trying to bootstrap themselves into business by the sweat of their brows need not apply. 
 
Well, one can hardly expect anything worthwhile from planners in general and from the wonderful folks who tried to bring the neighborhood the "extended stay hotel" at 40th & Pine in particular.
-Alan KrigmanKRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com





Marathon Grill at 40th and Walnut closed
by Grace Ortelere | Monday, May 23, 2011 at 6:34 pm





Many students may be sad to learn the University City location of the restaurant Marathon Grill and its lounge MarBar closed their doors on Monday.

The Marathon Grill located at 200 South 40th Street decided not to renew its lease due to declining business over the last few years, Penn’s Executive Director of Real Estate Ed Datz said in a statement.
The University City Marathon Grill opened in 2004, replacing a Burger King. “When they came to this location, they brought a renewed vitality to the 40th Street corridor, improving the economy, the activity, and safety of the area in conjunction with other neighborhood development in West Philadelphia,” Datz said.
According to Datz, the University is in the process of searching for a proprietor to replace the retail space.
Marathon Grill has five other locations throughout the city which will stay open, Datz said. Its restaurant at 929 Walnut Street has an affiliated lounge, Upbar.


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[UC] Another example of the misguided planning by the self-anointed

2011-05-24 Thread Krfapt 
>From Monday's DP:
 
Another example of the best laid plans of mice (the Penn Real Estate Dept)  
and men going awry. Penn's criteria for pricing and finding tenants for 
their  retail spaces have created a revolving door in many cases. This, on top 
of  providing an example for the impressionable undergrads of that venerable 
 institution about the types of businesses worthy of their patronage. 
Townies  trying to bootstrap themselves into business by the sweat of their 
brows 
need  not apply.  

Well, one can hardly expect anything worthwhile from planners in  general 
and from the wonderful folks who tried to bring the neighborhood the  
"extended stay hotel" at 40th & Pine in particular.
-


Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts  Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or _al.krigman@krf.icodat.com_ 
(mailto:al.krig...@krf.icodat.com)  
  


 
 
Marathon Grill at 40th and Walnut closed
by _Grace  Ortelere_ 
(http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/author/grace-ortelere)  | Monday, May 23, 
2011 at 6:34  pm 
 
 
 
 
Many students may be sad to learn the University City  location of the 
restaurant Marathon Grill and its lounge MarBar closed their  doors on Monday.



 
The Marathon Grill located at 200 South 40th Street decided not to renew 
its  lease due to declining business over the last few years, Penn’s Executive 
 Director of Real Estate Ed Datz said in a statement. 
The University City Marathon Grill opened in 2004, replacing a Burger King. 
 “When they came to this location, they brought a renewed vitality to the 
40th  Street corridor, improving the economy, the activity, and safety of the 
area in  conjunction with other neighborhood development in West 
Philadelphia,” Datz  said. 
According to Datz, the University is in the process of searching for a  
proprietor to replace the retail space. 
Marathon Grill has five other locations throughout the city which will stay 
 open, Datz said. Its restaurant at 929 Walnut Street has an affiliated 
lounge,  Upbar.