Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
Since JackOfAll is retiring from the project, can someone post a link to the latest CSOS F19 for Wandboard Quad? I just got the HW, but cannot find the SW for it just now :( PS - many thanks for JackOfAll for his contribution to the community! Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] piCoPlayer = Squeezelite on Microcore linux. .An embedded OS in RAM with Squeezelite
Hi all piCorePlayer users. Ralphy has been so kind as to update his Squeezelite build to the latest version 1.6.2 - so please use the "update Ralphys Squeezelite" option in the "Main" web page in piCorePlayer and you should get the latest version. This one has some optimization which is important for weaker CPUs (like the raspberry). Steen piCorePlayer a small player for the Raspberry Pi (25MB in RAM). Homepage: https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home and discussion: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelite Squeezeboxserver on Voyage Linux 500 MB CF-card (read-only) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?90581-HOW-TO-install-squeezeboxserver-on-very-small-Linux-(Voyage-linux) Please 'donate' (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=_Wc9nDqkHvtg-sUXCIrz1nB1Ct8pwHDrBSxETDiHfpX5H6F4Wflav3VBIAK&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f8e263663d3faee8d7ff5e1e81f2ed97dd1e90bd72966c40c) if you like the piCorePlayer sbp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97803 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
Kuro wrote: > The link doesn't work. Either it shows up as file not found or no > permission to download the file. That's probably because JackOfAll no longer is distributing the images. You best post in the 'Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1) thread and ask for the images there. M-DAC, Cambridge Audio Azur 840E, Focal MP1200, Focal Electra 1028 Be 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.0. iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad & iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS R3
JackOfAll wrote: > 'CSOS F19 (RELEASE 7) Images' (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/) The link doesn't work. Either it shows up as file not found or no permission to download the file. Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98544 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
JackOfAll wrote: > With immediate effect, I announce my "retirement" from the Community > Squeeze project. Thanks for everything, Clive. Great work. Brilliant stuff. Love it. Take care. brillo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
Hi Triode, Please find attached the Italian translation. As I mentioned to you in my PM I couldn't test it as every time I copy the file in the folder /usr/share/squeeze-web-gui-lua/squeeze-web-gui, I keep getting the following error message: Code: Service Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Cheers +---+ |Filename: Strings-EN.lua.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15860| +---+ Primary system: Squeezebox Touch, iPengHD/Squeezepad on iPad3, Rega DAC, Virtue Audio One, Philips DVP3580, Mission M34i. Secondary system: Wandboard Dual&Quad with CSOS F19 R3, iPengHD/Squeezepad on iPad3, Little Doc DAC I, Cambridge Audio Azur 640C V2, Little Dot III, AKG K 702. albertone74's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
jimbobvfr400 wrote: > You seem to be having a nightmare with this, just a thought what's the > actually end aim you have in mind if you can get it working? > > If you want your LMS to be available to the BT speakers might it not be > better to simply use an Android or iOS device with appropriate software > player? (Squeezeplayer or iPeng + in app purchase) > > I've got a couple of my old phones permanently connected to amps in > fairly low use zones (my garage connected to line in on an old speaker > dock and in my study/spare bedroom connected to an old amp and > speakers) > > I've also used my Nexus 7 with a mates portable Bluetooth speaker to > play SqueezePlayer, the nexus on charge inside, the speaker on the > outside table during a barbecue all controlled using Orange Squeeze on > my phone. > > Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk There's no problem with android, apart from the battery use! The point is to have a squeezelite output to the bt audio sink - then the device is a low power player which can be left on indefinitely. It works (with some finagling!) on Debian and F18. The problem is to get it working with Fedora F20 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
The Creative specs state ' PCs with A2DP-enabled Bluetooth technology.' and given the log message posted earlier about A2DP I think this would just be another patience breaker! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
You seem to be having a nightmare with this, just a thought what's the actually end aim you have in mind if you can get it working? If you want your LMS to be available to the BT speakers might it not be better to simply use an Android or iOS device with appropriate software player? (Squeezeplayer or iPeng + in app purchase) I've got a couple of my old phones permanently connected to amps in fairly low use zones (my garage connected to line in on an old speaker dock and in my study/spare bedroom connected to an old amp and speakers) I've also used my Nexus 7 with a mates portable Bluetooth speaker to play SqueezePlayer, the nexus on charge inside, the speaker on the outside table during a barbecue all controlled using Orange Squeeze on my phone. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] help with 96khz playback Arch linux wandboard
I replied to you PM with the following.. I thank you for being honest with me about the fact that you are new to linux and for that reason, I have to say that I simply don't have the time to go into the level of detail that you'll need and I don't know much about the Arch distribution. (Well, I don't know anything about Arch, other than it is a Linux distribution). That's why CSOS exists. So that users who don't have the skills to build kernels, patch drivers and make images have an easy way to get a spdif driver that works up to 192k. You want to do this with another distribution, the patch that you'll need, (along with several others that we apply to the "base" kernel), is in the kernel src rpm that can be downloaded here, 'kernel-wand-3.0.35-cm76.fc19.src.rpm' (http://www.communitysqueeze.org/repo/19/SRPMS/kernel-wand-3.0.35-cm76.fc19.src.rpm). Sorry! JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101435 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
castalla wrote: > Okay - there are cheaper alternatives! > > I found this: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2OQOTWQ0QKZZQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B009ZIILLI This looks to be just an ordinary BT adapter and presetn as a USB BT device whereas as I read it the Creative one looks like a USB audio device not a BT one. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] help with 96khz playback Arch linux wandboard
i guess i am gonna have to try compiling a kernel can you help me please scrarfussi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62221 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101435 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
Okay - there are cheaper alternatives! I found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2OQOTWQ0QKZZQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B009ZIILLI Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
Mnyb wrote: > A yes there is that some USB audio stuff works without drivers some > don't we have those all the time in the CSOS squeezelite and EDO treads > . It's a bit pricey compared to the usual bt dongles - not going to spend more unless somebody can confirm it works! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
castalla wrote: > Can't find any refs. on how to setup in linux - apart from a lone Ubuntu > forum post asking 'Does it work in Ubuntu?'. > > Could be another can of worms! A yes there is that some USB audio stuff works without drivers some don't we have those all the time in the CSOS squeezelite and EDO treads . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
Mnyb wrote: > Maybe bypass the whole freaking OS > http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Bluetooth-Audio-BTD1-USB-Transmitter/M/B003FVAQM8.htm > > This is one usb to bluetooth adapter , but the os will see it as usb > device . > Have not tried it at all so i cant really recomend but they do exist . Can't find any refs. on how to setup in linux - apart from a lone Ubuntu forum post asking 'Does it work in Ubuntu?'. Could be another can of worms! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
Clive I just want to echo the comments about how much we appreciate all the efforts you put in to making CSOS such a success. I do hope this doesn't mean your complete disappearance from the project but I can totally understand you're wanting to move onwards an upwards. I wish you all the best. slackhead's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
JackOfAll wrote: > With immediate effect, I announce my "retirement" from the Community > Squeeze project. > Thanks for all your efforts, everything you have done for the community is greatly appreciated by all of us. Does this affect all your involvement in Community Squeeze project or are you only retiring from the software packaging part ? Just asking to better understand if this is just a way to make it possible for you to focus on other areas, such as software development specific to the Community Squeeze hardware ? Or is that part already finished or managed by someone else ? Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info)) (Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland). If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins' (http://license.isaksson.info)) *Interested in the future of music streaming ? 'ickStream - A world of music at your fingertips' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStream&p=743516)*. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
Thanks Clive. I can only imagine the number of your hours you've dedicated to this If this is truly community project, I'd say you've done more than your fair share and a rest from it is very well deserved. Thanks again for helping fill my home with music :) James JRatron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62101 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
JackOfAll wrote: > With immediate effect, I announce my "retirement" from the Community > Squeeze project. > > Clive, Really sorry to see you go. A big thanks for all your hard work and support. All the best for everything you will be doing since now on! Primary system: Squeezebox Touch, iPengHD/Squeezepad on iPad3, Rega DAC, Virtue Audio One, Philips DVP3580, Mission M34i. Secondary system: Wandboard Dual&Quad with CSOS F19 R3, iPengHD/Squeezepad on iPad3, Little Doc DAC I, Cambridge Audio Azur 640C V2, Little Dot III, AKG K 702. albertone74's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] help with 96khz playback Arch linux wandboard
scrarfussi wrote: > > the problem i am having is i cant get 96khz output from my dac well it > limited to 44.1 and 48khz > > works well on fedora csos > ISTR that the "default" WB driver is limited to 48k and that CSOS patched it for support > 48k and to use the pll4 (audio clock). SPDIF patch will be in the CSOS kernel srpm if you want to try building your own kernel on Arch. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101435 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Announce: Squeezelite - a small headless squeezeplay emulator for linux (alsa only)
truehl wrote: > Yes, SqueezePlug for Odroid contains SqueezeLite! > > Thomas Thank you truehl; i have downloaded img and have run in my odroid u3 but nothing seems to happens (seems the same img that you can find on odroid webpage)... Am I doing something wrong?? Is there any specific forum for squeezeplug for odroid u3?? thanks again! ryuks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62849 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97046 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Bluetooth Circle of Hell - Vol. 2
Maybe bypass the whole freaking OS http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Bluetooth-Audio-BTD1-USB-Transmitter/M/B003FVAQM8.htm This is one usb to bluetooth adapter , but the os will see it as usb device . Have not tried it at all so i cant really recomend but they do exist . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101286 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Community Squeeze OS F19 Release 1
JackOfAll wrote: > With immediate effect, I announce my "retirement" from the Community > Squeeze project. Quite a shock to read, sorry to see you go. Thanks for all your very hard work! lintweaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47485 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99395 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
[SlimDevices: Unix] help with 96khz playback Arch linux wandboard
i have archlinux running on wandboard with lms and squeezelite veeery fast i am also using the spdif to coax converter the problem i am having is i cant get 96khz output from my dac well it limited to 44.1 and 48khz works well on fedora csos my asound.conf pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "softvol" } pcm.dmixer { type dmix ipc_key 1024 slave { pcm "hw:1" period_time 0 period_size 4096 buffer_size 131072 rate 41100 } bindings { 0 0 1 1 } } pcm.dsnooper { type dsnoop ipc_key 1024 slave { pcm "hw:1" channels 2 period_time 0 period_size 4096 buffer_size 131072 rate 41100 } bindings { 0 0 1 1 } } pcm.softvol { type softvol slave { pcm "dmixer" } control { name "Master" card 1 } } ctl.!default { type hw card 1 } ctl.softvol { type hw card 1 } ctl.dmixer { type hw card 1 } aplay -l [root@alarm etc]# aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: sgtl5000audio [sgtl5000-audio], device 0: HiFi sgtl5000-0 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: imxspdif [imx-spdif], device 0: IMX SPDIF mxc-spdif-0 [] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 2: imxhdmisoc [imx-hdmi-soc], device 0: IMX HDMI TX mxc-hdmi-soc-0 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [root@alarm etc]# squeezelite -l squeezelite -l Output devices: null - Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) sysdefault:CARD=sgtl5000audio - sgtl5000-audio, - Default Audio Device sysdefault:CARD=imxspdif - imx-spdif, - Default Audio Device sysdefault:CARD=imxhdmisoc - imx-hdmi-soc, - Default Audio Device squeezelite service [Unit] Description=Squeezelite lightweight headless squeezebox emulator After=sound.target Requires=avahi-daemon.service After=network.target After=avahi-daemon.service [Service] ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/squeezelite -n Illeana -o plughw:CARD=imxspdif -p 1 Restart=always [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target scrarfussi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62221 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101435 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix