Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:38:02 GMT DaveB wrote: > On 03.02.2018 12:00, Ianseeks wrote: > > Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more > > about styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc. > > > > all the best > > > > Ian > > Hi Ian, > > I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but if you want to get to > grips with styles and templates I recommend you download and read a copy > of Bruce Byfield's book "Designing with LibreOffice" > http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/. Don't be mislead by the title, IMO > it is one of the best sources of advice about using LibreOffice styles. > Another useful resource is the recently published LibreOffice 5.4 Writer > Guide > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide > which includes some very good chapters on styles and templates. > > Hope this helps. > > Dave Cheers Dave, i shall look it up. > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180201 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On 03.02.2018 12:00, Ianseeks wrote: > Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more about > styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc. > > all the best > > Ian Hi Ian, I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but if you want to get to grips with styles and templates I recommend you download and read a copy of Bruce Byfield's book "Designing with LibreOffice" http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/. Don't be mislead by the title, IMO it is one of the best sources of advice about using LibreOffice styles. Another useful resource is the recently published LibreOffice 5.4 Writer Guide https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide which includes some very good chapters on styles and templates. Hope this helps. Dave -- Please address any reply to the mailing list only. Any messages sent to this noreply@ address are automatically deleted from the server and will never be read. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more about styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc. all the best Ian On Friday, 2 February 2018 18:05:55 GMT Virgil Arrington wrote: > On 02/02/2018 05:20 AM, Ianseeks wrote: > > I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that > > shows its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy > > when picking up someone else's document (which is what happened here) > > I'm not sure that there is. In my career as a lawyer (I'm now retired), > I often had to share documents with other people. We had contracts going > back and forth with each side adding and subtracting edits. By the end, > it was a formatting nightmare with styles and direct formatting all > clashing with one another. Sometimes the document would get so corrupted > it would crash the word processor. > > Usually, once the substance was completed, as a last step in the > process, I would reformat the entire document (because I'm obsessive > about these things, and I really enjoy doing it). I would start by > stripping all the direct formatting (Ctrl-A, Ctrl-M), and then I would > go through and apply all of my own paragraph styles. Nobody ever > complained because the finished product usually looked pretty good and > was readable. > > It doesn't take as much time as you might think. After stripping the > formatting, I would then press Ctrl-A again to select the entire > document, and then apply the most predominant style (typically my > BodySingleIndent). I would then go through the document and apply > special styles to the appropriate paragraphs, such as a Heading1 or > Heading2 for headings and subheadings. > > After I retired, I briefly taught a Law Office Technology course at the > college level. For an exercise, I would give my students a plain text > file and then tell them to format it to make it look like a given > finished product, that I would give them in hard copy form. After they > would spend twenty minutes wrestling with direct formatting, I would > then demonstrate how do do it in about 45 seconds using styles. > > In my current teaching position, I have given my students a book report > for an old book that is now in the public domain. To keep them from > having to buy the book, I downloaded the pure text file of the book, > inserted it into LO and reformatted it using my styles. I pressed Ctrl-A > and applied BodySingleIndent to the whole text, and then went back and > applied a style called Heading1 for each chapter title. By using > Heading1 for the chapter titles, I was then able to automatically > generate a table of contents, and then I created a title page with some > other special paragraph styles. The whole process for a 188 page > (letter-sized) novel took me no more than 15 minutes, and that was only > because I had to examine each page to find my chapter titles or other > paragraphs that needed special styling (such as a block quote, etc.). > > Learning Styles is definitely worth the investment in time. > > Virgil > > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180130 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On 02/02/2018 05:20 AM, Ianseeks wrote: > I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that > shows its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy > when picking up someone else's document (which is what happened here) I'm not sure that there is. In my career as a lawyer (I'm now retired), I often had to share documents with other people. We had contracts going back and forth with each side adding and subtracting edits. By the end, it was a formatting nightmare with styles and direct formatting all clashing with one another. Sometimes the document would get so corrupted it would crash the word processor. Usually, once the substance was completed, as a last step in the process, I would reformat the entire document (because I'm obsessive about these things, and I really enjoy doing it). I would start by stripping all the direct formatting (Ctrl-A, Ctrl-M), and then I would go through and apply all of my own paragraph styles. Nobody ever complained because the finished product usually looked pretty good and was readable. It doesn't take as much time as you might think. After stripping the formatting, I would then press Ctrl-A again to select the entire document, and then apply the most predominant style (typically my BodySingleIndent). I would then go through the document and apply special styles to the appropriate paragraphs, such as a Heading1 or Heading2 for headings and subheadings. After I retired, I briefly taught a Law Office Technology course at the college level. For an exercise, I would give my students a plain text file and then tell them to format it to make it look like a given finished product, that I would give them in hard copy form. After they would spend twenty minutes wrestling with direct formatting, I would then demonstrate how do do it in about 45 seconds using styles. In my current teaching position, I have given my students a book report for an old book that is now in the public domain. To keep them from having to buy the book, I downloaded the pure text file of the book, inserted it into LO and reformatted it using my styles. I pressed Ctrl-A and applied BodySingleIndent to the whole text, and then went back and applied a style called Heading1 for each chapter title. By using Heading1 for the chapter titles, I was then able to automatically generate a table of contents, and then I created a title page with some other special paragraph styles. The whole process for a 188 page (letter-sized) novel took me no more than 15 minutes, and that was only because I had to examine each page to find my chapter titles or other paragraphs that needed special styling (such as a block quote, etc.). Learning Styles is definitely worth the investment in time. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:59:43 GMT Virgil Arrington wrote: > Ian, > > I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I > tell you something you already know. Thanks Virgil, more information is always a big help. My biggest bit of me being clueless was the not knowing that direct formatting was overriding the style because if I highlighted a paragraph and it had the same style/font/size setting, it looked like a style and i couldn't work out why it wouldn't change when i change the style setting. > I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other > styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph. > > LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will > share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style. I think i need to get a graphical representation printed out and stuck about my monitor. > Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my > style hierarchy looks something like this: > I like to stick to the standard one but change the font etc i don;t do enough writing to justify creating a new set for myself. > Default Style > BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above > the paragraph) > BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space > above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas) > BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and > an indented first line) > Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with > spacing above and below the paragraph) > > Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from > the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For > example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins > from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default > Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that > change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It > will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that > level. > > Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double > spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from > single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change > *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which > share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the > line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I > set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself. > > The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph > style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that > it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those > paragraphs. > > When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. > Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing > formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. > That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the > style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you > want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any > changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles > that share the same attribute that is being changed. I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that shows its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy when picking up someone else's document (which is what happened here) > If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting > peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then > I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and > clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of > your formatting controlled at the style level. Yes, I'm going to do that now i know it exists. > I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain. Great explanation, thanks a lot for your time. > Virgil regards Ian > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180130 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:03:00 GMT Steve Edmonds wrote: > Also to add to Virgil's explanation is what happens when copy/pasting > text with the same style name or a new style name. > > If you copy text from a document with style named "Default Style" into > your working document, the text will inherit the attributes of the > settings for Default Style in your working document. This can sometimes > cause unexpected outcomes. If you want to preserve the attributes of the > copied text, give the copied text a unique style name before copying it. > > When you copy text from another document with a style that you don't > have in your working document, that new style will be added to your > working document. If you don't want to accumulate a whole bunch of new > styles with lots of copy/paste; > set the style of the text you want to copy to a style you already have > in your working document before copy or, > paste as unformatted text and the pasted text will inherit the style of > the text at the insertion point. > > Steve Thanks for your time and explanations, its been helpful. regards Ian > On 02/02/18 09:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > Ian, > > > > I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I > > tell you something you already know. > > > > I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other > > styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph. > > > > LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will > > share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style. > > > > Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my > > style hierarchy looks something like this: > > > > Default Style > > BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above > > the paragraph) > > BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space > > above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas) > > BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and > > an indented first line) > > Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with > > spacing above and below the paragraph) > > > > Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from > > the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For > > example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins > > from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default > > Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that > > change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It > > will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that > > level. > > > > Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double > > spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from > > single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change > > *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which > > share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the > > line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I > > set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself. > > > > The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph > > style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that > > it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those > > paragraphs. > > > > When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. > > Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing > > formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. > > That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the > > style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you > > want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any > > changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles > > that share the same attribute that is being changed. > > > > If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting > > peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then > > I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and > > clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of > > your formatting controlled at the style level. > > > > I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain. > > > > Virgil > > > > > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180130 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:50:38 GMT Steve Edmonds wrote: > Hi. > If you select all text (the whole document) and menu Format>Clear direct > formatting (Ctl M), lots may change visually, does the document then > behave as you might expect styles to behave. I do this as a matter of > course to get MS docs into odts that I can style properly. > steve THanks Steve, I'll try that. I didn't get the difference between styles and direct formatting but now i do. > On 01/02/18 22:59, Ianseeks wrote: > > On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote: > >> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks: > >> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font > >>> size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the > >>> new settings when is pressed? Currently I have to highlight the > >>> areas and then reapply the style to it. > >>> > >> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to > >> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a > >> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips > >> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else. > > I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments. All the > > tests i've done are using the "Default Style". > > I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something > > radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the > > document with that style but not all of it. I think i missed it before > > because the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i > > changed it to a weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines > > so i could the text below it and see a change. So i changed the font back > > to something sensible and it worked but it did not change the font size at > > all, it was stuck at 14pt even though i changed it to 12pt. > > I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it > > affects other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied. > > Its the same on version 6 on linux. > > > >> Regards, > >> Ricardo > >> > >> > >> > >>> regards > >>> > >>> Ian > >>> -- > >>> opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64 > >>> Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 > >>> kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - > >>> xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >>> Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > >>> unsubscribe/ > >>> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>> deleted > >>> > >>> > >> > > (Linux libreoffice Version: 6.0.0.2.0+ Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) CPU > > threads: 2; OS: Linux 4.14; UI render: default; VCL: kde4; Locale: en-GB > > (en_GB.UTF-8); > > (Windows 10 Libreoffice Version: 5.4) > > > > > > > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180130 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
Also to add to Virgil's explanation is what happens when copy/pasting text with the same style name or a new style name. If you copy text from a document with style named "Default Style" into your working document, the text will inherit the attributes of the settings for Default Style in your working document. This can sometimes cause unexpected outcomes. If you want to preserve the attributes of the copied text, give the copied text a unique style name before copying it. When you copy text from another document with a style that you don't have in your working document, that new style will be added to your working document. If you don't want to accumulate a whole bunch of new styles with lots of copy/paste; set the style of the text you want to copy to a style you already have in your working document before copy or, paste as unformatted text and the pasted text will inherit the style of the text at the insertion point. Steve On 02/02/18 09:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: Ian, I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I tell you something you already know. I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph. LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style. Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my style hierarchy looks something like this: Default Style BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above the paragraph) BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas) BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and an indented first line) Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with spacing above and below the paragraph) Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that level. Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself. The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those paragraphs. When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles that share the same attribute that is being changed. If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of your formatting controlled at the style level. I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
Ian, I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I tell you something you already know. I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph. LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style. Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my style hierarchy looks something like this: Default Style BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above the paragraph) BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas) BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and an indented first line) Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with spacing above and below the paragraph) Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that level. Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself. The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those paragraphs. When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles that share the same attribute that is being changed. If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of your formatting controlled at the style level. I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
Hi. If you select all text (the whole document) and menu Format>Clear direct formatting (Ctl M), lots may change visually, does the document then behave as you might expect styles to behave. I do this as a matter of course to get MS docs into odts that I can style properly. steve On 01/02/18 22:59, Ianseeks wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote: 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks: Hi If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the new settings when is pressed? Currently I have to highlight the areas and then reapply the style to it. They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else. I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments. All the tests i've done are using the "Default Style". I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the document with that style but not all of it. I think i missed it before because the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even though i changed it to 12pt. I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied. Its the same on version 6 on linux. Regards, Ricardo regards Ian -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted (Linux libreoffice Version: 6.0.0.2.0+ Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) CPU threads: 2; OS: Linux 4.14; UI render: default; VCL: kde4; Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8); (Windows 10 Libreoffice Version: 5.4) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote: > 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks: > > > Hi > > > > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font > > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the > > new settings when is pressed? Currently I have to highlight the > > areas and then reapply the style to it. > > > > They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to > the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a > document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips > attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else. I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments. All the tests i've done are using the "Default Style". I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the document with that style but not all of it. I think i missed it before because the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even though i changed it to 12pt. I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied. Its the same on version 6 on linux. > Regards, > Ricardo > > > > > > > regards > > > > Ian > > -- > > opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64 > > Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 > > kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - > > xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > > unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > (Linux libreoffice Version: 6.0.0.2.0+ Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) CPU threads: 2; OS: Linux 4.14; UI render: default; VCL: kde4; Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8); (Windows 10 Libreoffice Version: 5.4) -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote: > 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks: > > > Hi > > > > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font > > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the > > new settings when is pressed? Currently I have to highlight the > > areas and then reapply the style to it. > > > > They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to > the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a > document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips > attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else. thanks. Its a document created on windows 10, so i'll bring it over to my system and see if its the same on linux. Is there a usual site used by libreoffice devs to get hold samples that i can upload to? > Regards, > Ricardo > > > > > > > regards > > > > Ian > > -- > > opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64 > > Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 > > kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - > > xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > > unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129 Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer
2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks: > Hi > > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the > new settings when is pressed? Currently I have to highlight the > areas and then reapply the style to it. > They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else. Regards, Ricardo > > regards > > Ian > -- > opensuse:tumbleweed:20180129libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64 > Qt: 5.10.0 KDE Frameworks: 5.42.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.11.95 - kwin 5.11.95 > kmail2 5.7.1 - akonadiserver 5.7.1 - Kernel: 4.14.15-1-default - > xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted