Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???
On 02/16/2014 08:35 PM, Fred Smith wrote: I've got a project in which I'll be making many dozens of DVDs from other media, and I thought it'd be really cool to use LightScribe to label the discs. well, I come to discover that LightScribe seems to have gone out of fashion, and I can't find suitable software anywhere. LaCie used to distribute software for Linux that reportedly worked well, but I can't find it either,... it has disappeared from their web site. Can anyone point me to a site that may still have it? (or other suitable substitute). Thanks! You may want to check: http://www.pawtec.com/lightscribe/#linuxutils or the URLs at: https://www.google.com/#q=lightscribe+software+for+linux Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Moderated message...
On 01/21/2014 04:27 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:49:00 -0600 "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: Dragons, or my signature? Sig, ready made, or good writing skill. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com The inspiration came from a Tolkien quote and a suggestion from another member on a Linux mailing list. This can not be the first time you have seen my signature Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Moderated message...
On 01/21/2014 10:43 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Frank Murphy wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:44:07 -0600 "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Where do you get them! I doubt he knows. Methinks it predates the internet. Unless he is the author, it belongs in quotes even if he does not know the author. It was inspired by a line in one of the Fortune answers files, but it is not a direct quote of either the line in the fortune file or from the source of the entry. Therefore it should not be quoted. Not there is a quoter from Tolkien that reads: "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." There is also a version of my signature that reads: "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!" But I like my version better. I am trying to remember when I started using it - it has to be more then 5 years ago. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Moderated message...
On 01/21/2014 02:20 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:44:07 -0600 "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Where do you get them! ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com Dragons, or my signature? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Moderated message...
On 01/20/2014 03:57 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: Let's get the list back on topic please. I see no extenuating cause for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here. > I marked this thread as moderated to help with that. There are certainly plenty of more appropriate places to have this sort of conversation. And there's plenty of things to discuss here that are on-topic. Thanks to all to understanding. > Aw shucks - just when it was getting fun - I was even sworn at. Oh well - back under my rock. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: email failure
On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Paul: This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know little about the OS Do you want my contributions, or not? Not. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: email failure
On 01/20/2014 12:05 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: | | Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery | has | been abolished, it's just changed. Think about this: Are you | self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job? Is your land large | enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water, | or | is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else, | usually) to survive. If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and | independent, then you're not really free. In this day and age, many | of | us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages. And we're | slaves to the government, one way or another. We have to have a job | to | pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from | us. A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they | want | to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of | distributing the cost across the population. | | > At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the | > university. | | That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the | opportunity pass. | \ Tim: "Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains" Locke 1768(?) You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone in the state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the government. I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you do computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects and let you live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, and build the operating system without me. Regards, Richard Sounds like a plan... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: email failure
On 01/19/2014 01:57 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of the office of citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your advertiser has just stated in this quote that slavery is alive and well. Is it not time to rethink this? Treating society as products may be one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked US soil, and destroyed the trade towers in New York. We need to be treated as people, as citizens. If we are treating each other as slaves then the cycle of violence will never stop. At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university. When talking about e-mail service, what does thats have to do with the trade-offs when using a "free" service compared to paying for the service? You are just paying for the "free" service with a different coin. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install problem
On 01/19/2014 03:37 PM, Doug wrote: Trying to install Fedora 32 KDE on second hard drive. This drive has been partitioned with /dev/sdb1 formatted as NTFS, and /dev/sdb5 and /dev/sdb6 formatted as ext4. The Fedora install disk says there is only 2.77MB available on the disk. What gives, and how do I fix it? After mounting the disk partitions using PCLOS, I do a df -a and see this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sdb649G 180M 46G 1% /media/662eba9a-9b8f-41c3-83b9-ebe7a99a27c9 /dev/sdb151G67M 51G 1% /media/094E20372CEB488B /dev/sdb549G 180M 46G 1% /media/a0ba2017-3c90-4dfb-b946-f737050f63e7 Please advise--doug 2.77MB is the space that is not used by any partition. If you want to do an automatic install, delete partition 5 and 6 and let the install create the partitions it is going to use. If the partitions have data you want to keep, then you can not easily install from a live CD. You have to do a custom partitioning telling the installer to use the existing partitions and where you want to mount them. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: email failure
On 01/18/2014 12:17 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this email you will see that your contribution is not "quoted" as such, and - especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell without paying really close attention to the "--" where the exchange starts. I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your email AND they treat users as products rather than citizens, selling your information that you freely give them without offering you anything for it. I started becoming very aware about my data when the CBC program Spark told me about Joindiaspora.com and then a cell phone concept, both concepts that give the user her data to do with what she wants. Richard You may want to read: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines?rd=Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 On-screen keyboard for login
On 01/09/2014 11:43 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I'm trying to use Fedora on a touch-screen only tablet but haven't been able to solve this crucial problem: there doesn't appear to be anyway to log into the system without a physical keyboard. Everything else worked fine out of the box but the Universal Access keyboard appears to work only after a desktop session is logged into. From web search, it seems that some folks had been trying to do this since several Fedora versions ago but there appeared to be no solution. Is this still the case even with F20 and I should be looking at other distribution instead or is there some way around this? It has been a while, so I do not remember the exact details. But what you need to do is have your display manager launch the virtual keyboard as part of the init sequence. I am guessing that for gdm, you would put it in the /etc/gdm/custom.conf. You may also want to look at the /etc/X11/xinit directory tree. Add a file in /etc/X11/xinit/xinit.d? I am sorry I can not remember how to do it, but it has probably changed sense the last time I did it. This should at least get you pointed in the correct direction... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: memory stick not recognized
On 11/04/2013 11:28 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > There is no output to /var/log/messages when I plug it in. > > On 11/04/2013 07:50:57 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> On 11/03/2013 10:20 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >>> I have a Sony 128MB memory stick. When inserted, Fedora 19 does not >> recognize it -- lsblk does not show it, dmesg reports nothing. It's >> writable by Windows 7, which reports the device as "JMCR MS SCSI Disk >> Device" >>> Any thoughts on how to access the stick under Fedora? >>> >>> Thanks. >> What shows up in /var/log/messages when you plug it in? >> If you can, try it in another USB port. You can also run lsusb and see if it shows the memory stick, or an unidentified USB device. I don't expect lsusb to produce if /var/log/messages does not show anything. Normall there will be a message when you plug in a USB device, even if the system does not reconize what the device is. Something like: Nov 6 14:11:59 x86 kernel: [31349.337850] usb 2-4: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci-pci Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: memory stick not recognized
On 11/03/2013 10:20 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > I have a Sony 128MB memory stick. When inserted, Fedora 19 does not recognize > it -- lsblk does not show it, dmesg reports nothing. It's writable by Windows > 7, which reports the device as "JMCR MS SCSI Disk Device" > > Any thoughts on how to access the stick under Fedora? > > Thanks. What shows up in /var/log/messages when you plug it in? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mail from the command line ??
On 09/14/2013 04:57 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 04:42:29PM -0400, bruce wrote: >> as a test, I have mailx (also have sendmail) > Of course, you can always do it the way we used to--still do for some > testing: > > #telnet localhost 25 > 220 foo.bar.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2; Mon 16 Sep > 2013 16:00:28 -0500; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: > localhost(OK)-localhost [127.0.0.1] > HELO foo.bar.com > 250 foo.bar.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > MAIL From:k...@foo.bar.com > 250 2.1.0 k...@foo.bar.com... Sender ok > RCPT To:jo...@batman.com > 250 2.1.5 jo...@batman.com... Recipient ok > DATA > 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself > Well, Batman, I see you and Joker are friends now. > . > 250 2.0.0 r8ELmS57124111 Message accepted for delivery > quit > Connection closed by foreign host. > # > > In the above, the lines starting with codes are the responses from the MTA. > > Of course, there are some gotchas today. It may not be on port 25. You > may not have 'telnet', or have access to it. And if the connection > requires authentication, there's more armwaving; for something like that, > see: > > http://www.ndchost.com/wiki/mail/test-smtp-auth-telnet > > (I can do the above from memory; I have to look up the AUTH sequence.) > > Cheers, > -- > Dave "don't need no stinkin' MUA" Ihnat > dih...@dminet.com I think he may want to use EHLO foo.bar.com instead of "HELO foo.bar.com" to see the security options. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mail from the command line ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/14/2013 03:42 PM, bruce wrote: > as a test, I have mailx (also have sendmail) > > based on a couple of websites/articles, I've created the following. > > /root/.mailrc > set smtp-use-starttls > set nss-config-dir=~/.mozilla/firefox/kbatbh5m.default/ > set ssl-verify=ignore > set smtp=smtp://smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465 > set smtp-auth=login > set smtp-auth-user=uscfish > set smtp-auth-password=passwd1 > set from="uscf...@yahoo.com(tom)" > > [root@dell-1 cacti]# echo "test" | mailx -vvv -s "tst1" "ti...@gmail.com" > Resolving host smtp.mail.yahoo.com . . . done. > Connecting to 63.250.193.228:465 . . . connected. > Unexpected EOF on SMTP connection > "/root/dead.letter" 11/301 > . . . message not sent. > [root@dell-1 cacti]# > > > I also tried to run the following full command with the same err.. > > echo "test" | mailx -s "SUBJECT1" -S > smtp=smtp://smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465 -S smtp-auth=login -S > smtp-auth-user=uscfish -S smtp-auth-password=passwd -S from="tom > " ti...@gmail.com > > I can't figure out where to go to get additional insight for the errs.. > > thanks > > The first thing I would recommend is not to run there tests as root. It is up to you, but it is considered a bad practice to log in as root unless you are doing things that require root access. Even then, it is usually better to use sudo. The error you are getting means that smtp.mail.yahoo.com hung up on you. Maybe because you are using a user name of "uscfish" instead of "uscf...@yahoo.com". Try running: echo "test" | mailx -v -s "tst1" "ti...@gmail.com" instead of: echo "test" | mailx -vvv -s "tst1" "ti...@gmail.com" and see if that helps. One other thing - unless your ISP uses Yahoo as its mail service, or you have a premium Yahoo mail account, you are not going to be able to use smpt.yahoo.com to relay your messages, or retrieve your messages except by using the WEB interface. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNNviAAoJENIgeuv7kNgeWLEH/0YO1JIhxWfJ0/8L+9nIpYmc qJ1VqLkSLFWawcYi7MlKsO7AbV95eo9LLeA+vXWNXkj/JcTK0YbngNnTVNqFWK/6 O9StmSdg+Vr1PQeIu2QJxuCqFxhr6wdGv438vmoDPF44+x+vg/F2+gsg975XxtAe 4tqSpi5LIYEZTsZU+Z1+gUYyYC1p4VE+YHQYlM+sMzlCxut8ZXC/oyqXcGOoNnFJ /3gailcjrwAF5cAUjXeUibKo82Y+xmzs2YWFcekJhzRNROPIijhtvPuaNBMPbMQC oXnNdNrh8svkrJxb6+koEzCzIHMjklIMfucRZ7YyVo5MZSQq+1wMtQ82/4PKqbA= =7jdZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: HDMI to USB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/14/2013 12:17 PM, Jim wrote: > Can you convert a HDMI port to a USB port with a adapter cable ? What are you trying to do? If you are trying to use a USB output to drive a HDMI input, then you are talking about a USB video "card" with a HDMI output. You will have to see if the adapter you want to use will work with Linux. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAlI0njkACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSA9wCYjCwlIzjM4bTvwAgTOSZSbszD swCdH/dRwM3gQj2cQWoJ//eMN1iaIo8= =kzaA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mail from the command line ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/14/2013 11:00 AM, bruce wrote: > Hi. > > Really basic question here, and I've seen 100s of articles on this > > if you want to send a test email from the commandline, using an > external smtp for validation/authentication, what's the "best" app to > use? Mail, Nail, Sendmail, etc.. > > I've seen different articles/people saying different things, so I > thought I'd create a thread here for others to be able to see as > well.. > > Thanks I have used all three. As long as you have your MTA (Sendmail, Postfix, etc) set up correctly, they all work good. For a basic test message, they all work about equally well. It is when you want to send a bunch of mail from a batch file that the differences come into play. I find Nail is the best of the three if you want to send a HTML message. (I send out a monthly HTML format calendar.) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlI0nVkACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRRmwCffqqxifBhX+QNBj3V0hnzP2tF J7cAoIB7ar1ii1gqrILQvMtMYq11zhFw =hj3l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LAN driver problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/2013 04:06 AM, giovanni.ortose...@libero.it wrote: > >> >> On 09/11/2013 09:29 AM, Giovanni Ortosecco wrote: >>> Dear List, >>> first of all I wish to greet all members. >>> My name is Giovanni and I'm a chemist in Naples, Italy. >>> >>> The problem I found is as follows: at work I use Fedora 10 and a >> few days ago I changed the motherboard because the old one is >> broken. With the new motherboard LAN connection to the network has >> stopped working. >>> The new motherboard is as follows: >>> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3505 # sp >>> >>> and as a controller LAN has, as you can see, the Atheros AR8151 >> chip (10/100/1000 Mbit). >>> >>> I saw on the net that there were many problems with this AR8151 chip. >>> I also tried to download the latest drivers and install them, but >> nothing to do. I only found drivers for Atheros different versions >> of the chip, but not for AR8151 >>> >>> Unfortunately I am forced to not being able to upgrade the >> operating system to the new Fedora 19. >>> >>> I also tried to live to start both Fedora 19 and Ubuntu 13.04 and >> the LAN is working properly. So I think it is intended solely as a >> driver problem. >>> >>> Thank you in advance for the help you want to give me. >>> Greetings to all, >>> >>> Friendliness. >>> >> When you changed the motherboard, the network device named probably >> changed with it. This is because Fedora remembers the hardware >> associated with the device name. You may want to report back the >> results of running: >> >> /sbin/ifconfig -a >> >> It will show you what network interfaces the system knows about. >> >> Mikkel >> - -- > > Dear Mikkel, > > the output of the command ifconfig -a is as follows: > > > [sabina@sabina-linux archivio]$ sudo ifconfig -a > [sudo] password for sabina: > loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:64 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:64 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:9603 (9.3 KiB) TX bytes:9603 (9.3 KiB) > > pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 06:62:7C:97:32:A8 > BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > vboxnet0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:76:62:6E:65:74 > BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > [sabina@sabina-linux archivio]$ > > is pan0 my LAN device not working? > I have some doubts because, always about the new motherboard, when I start > the live version of Fedora 19, and I was recognized as the network (and was > working), the MAC address of the LAN device (obtained with the command ifconfig > -a) was different. > How do I configure this network adapter? > > Thanks in advance, > Best regards, > > Giovanni Yes, pan0 is probably your new LAN connection. You have a couple of ways of configuring it. You can run system-config-network from the command line. Under Gnome, you can right click the network icon, and add a new interface. I am sure there are a couple more ways to do it, but I can not think of them off hand. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlIxxfQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTIPACfe2OPXoS/NKxVAzJYDkM9d2iN 9twAn1EJXlfS3pHZpKEqDcNwAVPXvLoN =kTH8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LAN driver problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2013 09:29 AM, Giovanni Ortosecco wrote: > Dear List, > first of all I wish to greet all members. > My name is Giovanni and I'm a chemist in Naples, Italy. > > The problem I found is as follows: at work I use Fedora 10 and a few days ago I changed the motherboard because the old one is broken. With the new motherboard LAN connection to the network has stopped working. > The new motherboard is as follows: > http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3505 # sp > > and as a controller LAN has, as you can see, the Atheros AR8151 chip (10/100/1000 Mbit). > > I saw on the net that there were many problems with this AR8151 chip. > I also tried to download the latest drivers and install them, but nothing to do. I only found drivers for Atheros different versions of the chip, but not for AR8151 > > Unfortunately I am forced to not being able to upgrade the operating system to the new Fedora 19. > > I also tried to live to start both Fedora 19 and Ubuntu 13.04 and the LAN is working properly. So I think it is intended solely as a driver problem. > > Thank you in advance for the help you want to give me. > Greetings to all, > > Friendliness. > When you changed the motherboard, the network device named probably changed with it. This is because Fedora remembers the hardware associated with the device name. You may want to report back the results of running: /sbin/ifconfig -a It will show you what network interfaces the system knows about. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlIwsqUACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQwkQCfXQJp98PrPjlGefGaUzzS0U8J xFUAn0fMG0hFVALVnlxtG1get3I8UqMr =DiXG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Weird network problem
On 05/26/2013 07:18 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote: > On 05/26/2013 11:54 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> On 05/25/2013 08:00 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: >>> Hi, all. >>> >>> I've got several machines on a LAN behind a NAT with DHCP assigning >>> always the same addresses from a dynamic IP. >>> >>> A couple of days ago the IP changed & since then, one of the machines >>> running Fedora 17 always fails first time to connect to the network: >>> launch Thunderbird, no start screen, first attempt to check mail, it >>> tells me that there's no network connection, second attempt it connects. >>> >>> The scheduled DejaDup backup always fails with no network but will run >>> manually no problem. Firefox can't find Google but the Nagios >>> web interface is fine as is all the cli stuff (ping, ssh, etc). >>> >>> Most annoyingly, yum update goes through every mirror before partially >>> downloading part of the updates & if the updates are large, it takes >>> about three attempts to get them all installed. >>> >>> I'd like to clear this up naturally especially as in the next couple of >>> weeks I'll be upgrading this box to Fedora 18 & the last thing I need is >>> a dodgy network connection. >>> >>> All the machines below are on the same LAN & they all work fine after >>> the IP address change, it's only the Fedora box that's causing problems. >>> >>> Any help appreciated. I'm stuck. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Phil... >>> >> Check your name server settings. Does /etc/resolv.conf have a name >> server that from the old IP address? Do you have one machine on the >> network that runs a catching name server and the rest of the Fedora >> machines are looking for it at the old address? Or are you running >> something like dnsmasq on the machines, and have the old IP address >> in the config file? > I've never used any name server settings on any of these machines. The > lease is automatically assigned by DHCP so therefore there is no need to. > > The external link comes into a NAT router then onto a HP ProCurve switch > & then via cat5 cables to each machine (there's no wireless involved > anywhere). Then each machine in Network Settings uses the automatic > setting to assign each address & DNS (192.168.1.254) & address mask > (255.255.255.0). > > As I've said, all other machines (all 16 of them) are fine. It's just > the Fedora box which leads me to suspect that Fedora's doing, or not > doing something, to cause this. > > Cheers, > > Phil... > Dumb question - have you checked the network connection? See if changing the cable or the port on the switch helps. It seams strange that the external IP address changing would cause this, but for some strange reason hardware problems totally unrelated to the change seam to pick that time to happen. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Weird network problem
On 05/25/2013 08:00 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: > Hi, all. > > I've got several machines on a LAN behind a NAT with DHCP assigning > always the same addresses from a dynamic IP. > > A couple of days ago the IP changed & since then, one of the machines > running Fedora 17 always fails first time to connect to the network: > launch Thunderbird, no start screen, first attempt to check mail, it > tells me that there's no network connection, second attempt it connects. > > The scheduled DejaDup backup always fails with no network but will run > manually no problem. Firefox can't find Google but the Nagios > web interface is fine as is all the cli stuff (ping, ssh, etc). > > Most annoyingly, yum update goes through every mirror before partially > downloading part of the updates & if the updates are large, it takes > about three attempts to get them all installed. > > I'd like to clear this up naturally especially as in the next couple of > weeks I'll be upgrading this box to Fedora 18 & the last thing I need is > a dodgy network connection. > > All the machines below are on the same LAN & they all work fine after > the IP address change, it's only the Fedora box that's causing problems. > > Any help appreciated. I'm stuck. > > Cheers, > > Phil... > Check your name server settings. Does /etc/resolv.conf have a name server that from the old IP address? Do you have one machine on the network that runs a catching name server and the rest of the Fedora machines are looking for it at the old address? Or are you running something like dnsmasq on the machines, and have the old IP address in the config file? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firewall and DNS caching without NetworkManager
On 05/18/2013 08:41 AM, আনন্দ কুমার সমাদ্দার Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Hello all, > > I've just installed Fedora 18 X86-64. I disabled and uninstalled > networkmanager and use the standard networking stuff which seems to > use dhclient. I'm using a standard ethernet connection. > > So I need to do two things. Feel free to tell me to RTFM if you can > provide a link! > > 1. How do I enable pre-pending of nameservers? I want to use dnsmasq > to cache DNS requests so I need to add 127.0.0.1 to the top of > resolv.conf. Google searchs take me to the Arch Wiki. I can't seem to > find a dhclient.conf file anywhere in /etc. > > 2. How do I assign a zone in firewalld to my connection? I want to be > able to open ports for bittorrent and XMPP jingle voice/video. The > firewalld wiki on the Fedora site doesn't seem to be able to answer my > question. > > thanks in advance, > > Ananda Samaddar You may want to read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-9.42.2/sysconfig.txt - search for PEERDNS. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can anyone recommend a cheap MP3 player?
On 05/13/2013 05:19 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > On 05/13/2013 06:01 PM, Anthony wrote: >> I have an old iPod Touch 1st Gen that I really still use quite a bit >> (mostly for email and the like). But since I moved all of my >> computers >> to Linux, I can't access the device anymore and can't transfer >> music to >> and from it. I'm not willing to install Windows in any form be it >> a VM >> or the like, So I'm going to get a new MP3 player and just use >> the Touch >> like a handheld for email and podcasts I can stream online. >> >> Can anyone recommend a good, cheap 8gb MP3 player that will work >> with >> Fedora? If possible, I'd like something that simply shows up as a >> flash >> drive or something instead of having the need to install >> libraries and >> other programs to access it. >> >> Thanks! >> Anthony Papillion > I have a Sansa Fuze which works pretty good. The nice thing about > it is that it takes a Micro-SD card as well, so you essentially > have two file systems with music on 'em. I have one as well. It looks like a USB drive to Linux. The micro-SD card, if you have one in, will show up as a second drive. They will both get mounted. As an added benefit, it has an FM tuner and will also play Slot Radio cards. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rant of the day: Insane dependencies for liveusb-creator
On 05/11/2013 01:04 PM, g wrote: > > > although you have already installed liveusb-creator, did you give > consideration to using; > >dd if=/path/to/iso-file of=/dev/usb > > i run fedora for special programs and mainly use scientific linux, > which already had liveusb-creator installed. > Have you actually tried this? Unless the USB device gets detected as a CD-ROM, the format is going to be wrong. The partition table and boot loader for a USB drive detected as a hard drive are different then the format of a CD-ROM. That is why programs like liveusb-creator are necessary. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: no audio with HDMI
On 05/10/2013 06:58 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > Need help from the audio gurus. > > f18, up to date. > > Anybody using their HDMI out for a TV? > > I've connected the HDMI output from a PC to an HDTV's HDMI port. > The TV reports HDMI no audio. > > On the PC, PulseAudio Volume Control->Output Devices shows: > > HDA ATI HDMI Digital Stereo (HDMI) > Port: HDMI/Display Port > > followed by check boxes for various codecs. PCM is checked but > grayed-out/disabled (which is the one I think I need). > > Below that the Front-Left/Right volume control indicators *do* > respond to the keyboard's volume keys and below that is a > graphical sound indicator that matches the expected output. All > of that shows that the audio is making it into the system but is > not making its way out. > > A hunch says PCM issue, but I really haven't a clue. It would be > very sweet to have this resolved. > > Thanks, > Mike Wright Dumb question - did you select HDMI as your default audio output, or as the output for the program you are trying to play? Or did you select the option to have audio go to both devices? On my system, it defaulted to going just to the sound card. One other thing - I remember having to set up a special loopback to get an analog input to the sound card to go to the HDMI sound output, but I can not remember how I did it right now. The audio part of my monitor died, and I had to go back to a set of speakers off the sound card. (Hardware problem - it does not work with the analog input either.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Two HDs
On 05/01/2013 04:15 PM, Bill Kuns wrote: > Dear Mr. Craig: > > Yes, fdisk seems to see both 1 TB drives: > > [root@FedC15 <mailto:root@FedC15> bkuns]# fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 > sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x0006673d > >Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 *2048 1026047 512000 83 Linux > /dev/sda2 1026048 1953523711 976248832 8e Linux LVM > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_swap: 5536 MB, 5536481280 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 673 cylinders, total 10813440 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_swap doesn't contain a valid > partition table > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_root: 53.7 GB, 53687091200 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6527 cylinders, total 104857600 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_root doesn't contain a valid > partition table > > Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 > sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x44fdfe06 > >Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 63 1953520064 976760001c W95 FAT32 > (LBA) > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_home: 940.4 GB, 940430065664 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 114334 cylinders, total 1836777472 > sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x > > Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_home doesn't contain a valid > partition table > > -- > Bill Kuns mailto:am...@cybermesa.com>> > > On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 13:57 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: >> does fdisk see it? >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns > <mailto:am...@cybermesa.com>> wrote: >> >> Dear Helpers: >> >> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only >> one of the two is >> recognized by Fedora. >> >> They are WD1002FAEX drives. When I asked Western Digital for >> assistance, their >> "help" wasn't much help. >> >> They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature >> Collision". Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear >> the error in Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and >> Windows 8. None of those is going to work under Fedora. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> > > One thing that I see that is strange is the partition table on the second drive. It says you have a 1 TB Win95 FAT32 partition. I didn't think you could make them that big. What I would try is to use parted or gparted to delete the partition table and create new partitions that reflect how you are planning to use the drive. MAKE SURE you change the drive to /dev/sdb before deleting the partition table. Also, if you have any data you want on the second drive, back it up before doing anything. If you can, use gparted instead of parted. Parted is a command line utility and can be harder to use. One you have partitioned and formated the drive, you will have to add it to /etc/fstab if you want it mounted automatically. (I forget the GUI tool that does that - I just edit it by hand...) You may be able to mount the partition on /dev/sdb1 if you really want to. Use something like this to see if it has a valid file system on it. As root, or using sudo, run: mkdir /tmp/mnt mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/mnt If it mounts, you have a valid file system on the drive. If the system can't determine the file system, then it probably isn't formatted. Have fun. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: former windows 7 boot manager still showing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/30/2013 01:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/30/2013 10:55 AM, Raf Roger wrote: > [SNIP!] >> but in former windows 7 my actual SDB was as first HDD in disk manager, >> so with ID=0.. now it has ID=1 (so as 2nd HDD), but still not bootable. >> in fact none should have a boot manager as my REAL former C:\ drive has >> crashed and therefore i replace it with the one i have now as SDA :) > > Try disconnecting all your drives except for the one you want to boot from and see what happens. If it still doesn't boot, try having grub re-install itself as I suggested before. If it does, there may be something odd about another drive. (Remember: Windows cares about which partition is marked as bootable, but no other OS gives a hoot. Using gpartd, or something similar to make sure that your older drives have nothing marked as bootable can't hurt.) While other OSs do not care, the BIOS may care. Some BIOS will not boot at all if there isn't a partition marked as bootable. Also, it may boot from the drive with the bootable partition regardless of the boot order. Systems not wanting to boot with a partition marked as bootable has come up on the list many times in the past. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAlEJtoQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTZ3wCYn6yGP1uhLA6XkrIwgNz8x6P7 bgCffpOM3bxCtLd80+HAgFX/OQj4wKY= =CTU9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: former windows 7 boot manager still showing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/30/2013 01:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/30/2013 10:11 AM, Raf Roger wrote: >> i tried it and still have the windows boot manager when my HDD boot :( >> instead of having "system not found" (which is the typicall message when >> boot sector is not found in windows) > > When you installed, where did you have it put grub? It sounds as though you didn't put it in the MBR, or if you tried, it didn't work. Maybe you need to have grub re-install itself and make sure, this time, that you specify the right place. One other thing to keep in mind - the BIOS may be set to boot from the wrong drive. This is especially true with some of the "smart" BIOSs. They keep tract of what disk you had selected to boot from, and boots from that drive. Another "gotchya" is that the drive order may be different when booting from a DVD/CD/USB drive then when booting from the hard drive. So /dev/sda may not be your boot drive when you select booting from the hard drive. You can usually reset this in the BIOS... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEJcSIACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSDEwCfQOmC20HQrg2a3+eCulN/e+mS EfMAoIWQ0y+2GIwyXObNrtudlaJgusCH =aZHx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: former windows 7 boot manager still showing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Raf, > > Please don't top post, it makes it difficult to follow the thread. > > Next, do you happen to have a 2nd hard drive in the machine you are trying to boot (perhaps that has the Windows boot loader on > it?)? How big is the drive you are trying to dd? Try any one of these to get to a non-bootable drive: > > To wipe just the MBR: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo bs=512 count=1 > Just remember - this will delete the partition table as well, so you may want to write down the partition table data before doing this! > > To wipe all of track zero: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo bs=512 count=63 > > "Zero out" the entire drive: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo > > You'll need to replace foo with the appropriate device (hda, sda, etc). > > Kevin > Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEJb8QACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTNjQCdFLSgySfYQCzYnHy4lpKtB/FL cj4AniGji53b7zWJQ5lIvSr88SPpKjAq =0ANe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Time settings are wrong on Desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2012 08:25 AM, Jim wrote: > Fedora 17/ KDE-4.9 > > In Time Settings on the clock are correct at non-utc , but the Time display on Panel is UTC time. > I have it set to get time from internet. Is your hardware clock set to local time, or UTC? The check-box is for the hardware clock. Mikkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCdHNkACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQ1BwCfS4di9H475psQXin+uTa5u3z6 xGAAn0qhh1S3HwGKSK7ZGy8SEm8T3p5b =afih -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to rescue your partitions after upgrade to Fedora 18 Alpha eats them
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/24/2012 07:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 13:33 +0200, Jakub Kicinski wrote: >> I recently had a weird problem after "upgrade" to Fedora 18 Alpha. I >> decided to share the solution, maybe it will help someone. > > This should be posted to the Fedora test list, not here. F18 is not a > released system. > > poc > One program I did not see talked about is testdisk. It is designed to find deleted partitions. I have not needed to use it for real, but I have deliberately messed up a partition table to see how well it works. It does a great job on drives that have only been partitioned and formatted once. If you have had different partitioning sachems, you may have to pick out the correct partitions from a list of partitions it finds. But it usually isn't too hard. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBgYegACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQAYgCfZUpeQ1WZ1oxr/GD6O7Q5p7n/ GDYAnRY3jzhT34idR6/UFH3pM5GsHBMo =0ClG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: UEFI bootkit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2012 06:43 PM, JD wrote: > > > The question I have is, can the buyer simply choose NOT to > use uefi (i.e. blow it off the system) and boot any OS of choice > which will not insist on the presence of any UEFI? > I think the answer to this question is more important as it provides > an "opt-out" choice to the consumer. > > If I understand things correctly, UEFI takes the place of the BIOS, so you have to use UEFI to boot. So it would be blowing off the BIOS. Would it be possible to replace the stock UEFI with an open source version like you can replace the stock BIOS with an open source version on some motherboards? That may be something to look into. I am not sure what hoops you have to jump through to change/upgrade the UEFI image... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBacPoACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRrHwCfdO6TU3WspSGVpbvVJm6vTPRh YCgAn1p3zU9YwXD2DzlA7dDOKIKTzEaE =Pu1R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cd reader external
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2012 04:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 09/19/2012 12:16 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson uttered this comment: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 09/19/2012 11:50 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: >>> On 09/19/2012 05:18 AM, Patrick Dupre uttered this comment: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Can I use (mount?) a cd reader from another computer? >>>> Both computers are on internet, In aother words can I do a >>>> mount 122.255.988.10:/dev/cdrom or similar? >>> >>> Not really. You can ssh to the remote box, mount the media on the >>> remote box, then export that mount from the remote box via NFS or >> CIFS. >>> >>> On your local box, you'd mount the export from the remote box >> using the >>> appropriate mechanism (NFS or CIFS). >> I wounder if ISCSI would let you do this? > > It would if the remote device was an iSCSI target and everything had > been set up cleanly. Remember that iSCSI only offers up raw block > devices. The mount of the remote device would have to know what > filesystem type the remote device was. iSCSI can be confusing. I was thinking the local system would take care of mounting the device using SCSI commands over the network to access it as if it were attached to the local machine. But I may be misunderstanding what iSCSI does. I have not looked into it in depth. It sounds like you know a lot more then I do about it. Would the device ID from the remote device show that it is a CD/DVD drive? Could the drive be handled the same way as an USB CD/DVD drive? But using iSCSI instead of USB as the communication channel to the drive? The same upper level drivers used for almost all CD/DVD drives, with only the low level drivers changed to use iSCSI instead of low level SCSI/ATA/USB to communicate with the drive? What I am thinking of is that all the remote system would do is handle the communications between the network and the physical device driver, just like it handles communication between the physical device driver and the high level SCSI drivers when you access the device locally. Then on the local machine, the ISCSI drivers would take the place of the physical device driver, and the rest would be handled as if it were a local drive. The remote machine would never have to know what file system is involved. It would just pass commands and data between the network and the device. (Start read at track x, sector y, and return z blocks of data.) The remote machine would never mount the file system. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBaVrsACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR6bQCbBKPpuTqqUWBMl30SGKNoMC8Z GSwAn0HyVsNM9lU0LtqB3jLICDhZUvQL =MuGP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cd reader external
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2012 11:50 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 09/19/2012 05:18 AM, Patrick Dupre uttered this comment: >> Hello, >> >> Can I use (mount?) a cd reader from another computer? >> Both computers are on internet, In aother words can I do a >> mount 122.255.988.10:/dev/cdrom or similar? > > Not really. You can ssh to the remote box, mount the media on the > remote box, then export that mount from the remote box via NFS or CIFS. > > On your local box, you'd mount the export from the remote box using the > appropriate mechanism (NFS or CIFS). I wounder if ISCSI would let you do this? Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBaGgQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQ/uACcClU5ahcZjmbpVGAO9yrmoONM F2oAnAu8IcRf1/58x3oJCH7+4u9UOBhS =ad2h -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Happy Birthday (was Re: Slightly OT about urls)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/15/2012 02:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > No, that probably doesn't answer your question, but I thought you might find it interesting. Besides, it's my birthday today so you have to humor me on things like this even if you don't want to. How old am I? Well, if you write out my new age in hex, I appear to be the same age as Jack Benny. Well, what do you know - you were born on the same day as I was. Happy birthday. Mikkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBVCK8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTCogCfYTAsNkeaQZViqdjN/Q9lPUAt 1iwAnRaKOv3zinzUFxaWAxDalQFIu2/a =Famo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Disconnect
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2012 10:49 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > On 08/28/2012 09:13 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: >> On 2012-08-28 16:04, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> On Tuesday, 28. August 2012. 12.15.16 Patrick Dupre wrote: >>>> The NetworkNamager provides a disconnect option. I undertand that it >>>> can be manager through /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d >>>> However, when I disconnect the ppp0 connection, ppp0 is already >>>> down (due to the disconnect) and prevents me to collect information >>>> through ifconfig. >>>> >>>> How can I avoid this problem. I wish to collect information of the >>>> ppp0 just before it is turned off. >>> >>> Wasn't this covered in another thread already? >>> >>> If you want to see ifconfig output just before disconnecting, open a >>> terminal, >>> type "ifconfig", read the output, then disconnect. It's pretty obvious, I >>> guess. >>> >>> So, the nonobvious thing is: what precisely is the actual problem you are >>> trying to solve? Please try to be more precise. >>> >> I want it does it automatically! >> > > The problem I see in what you are trying to do is that there is no way to determine when exactly a disconnect will be taking place. > If you know exactly when a disconnect will take place then it should be fairly simple to script it but if the disconnects take > place randomly there is no way you'll be able to script it. You would have to have a program (daemon) running with hooks into the > network stack that reported statistics at the time of the disconnect and I don't think that's easy to do and certainly would require > an in depth knowledge of programming at the driver level to do it. > > Kevin > One thing you could try is creating a /sbin/ifdown-pre-local script. You will have to do a compare of $1 with ppp0, and exit if it is a different interface, because it is run before bringing any interface down. I am not sure if Network Manager uses the ifdown script, but you could alway run ifdown ppp0 to disconnect. This will not help if the interface goes down without you telling it to. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA9C6QACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRUlgCeNzWM/0exYB6xL7cPmgTTjwnf 68IAn0fZKsiPPqncYz8EJ96AuHCd8qov =iZPl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2012 12:05 PM, JD wrote: > On 08/26/2012 10:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > On 08/25/2012 09:49 PM, JD wrote: > >>> using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work > >>> using ... speed=2 . does not work > >>> > >>> wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which > >>> ranges from 10X to 24x. > >>> > >>> However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. > >>> > >>> Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. > >>> > >>> CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 > >>> CDR_SPEED=2 > >>> CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m > >>> DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 > >>> DVDR_SPEED=2 > >>> DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m > >>> TS=128 > >>> GRACETIME=10 > >>> > >>> > >>> > Do you have blank CDs that will burn at 2x? The blank CD media that > will burn at 2x is different then the media that will burn at +4X. > Also, a lot of newer drives will not burn CDs at slower the 4x. DVD > burning is different - a 2x DVD speed is not the same as a 2x CD speed. > > Mikkel > -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and > taste good with Ketchup! >> > I have tried it on many different blank cd media, old ones and new ones. > > But how is it that I can burn at 2x on any blank DVD media? > I have used many different brands of DVD media over the years > and I have always been able to burn them at 2x. > So, I don't believe it is the cd media. > It could very well be wodim itself. > DVD burn speed is not the same as CD burn speed. This is why you have both CD and DVD speed specs on drives. When it comes to CDs, there are two different blank formats. You have the 1x to 4x and the 4x to ?x. You can not burn the 1-4x at faster then 4x. You can not burn the 4x-4x+ CDs at slower the 4x. This has NOTHING to do with DVD burning speeds. Check your drive CD burning speeds and CD blank speeds. See if they are rated to burn at slower then 4x. If not, then regardless of the software, you are NOT doing to be able to burn CDs slower then 4x. Again, this is different then DVD burn speeds. You may want to do some research on burning CDs and DVDs so that you understand the difference. You will probably discover that your hardware will not burn CDs at slower then 4x. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA6Xl8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQBwQCfaHaaFR6VHs4mWkx2PMRN2sfu X5YAn1o0kp9bWN9TYjteGzPh0MYFPOIR =RALb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/25/2012 09:49 PM, JD wrote: > using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work > using ... speed=2 . does not work > > wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which > ranges from 10X to 24x. > > However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. > > Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. > > CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 > CDR_SPEED=2 > CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m > DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 > DVDR_SPEED=2 > DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m > TS=128 > GRACETIME=10 > > > Do you have blank CDs that will burn at 2x? The blank CD media that will burn at 2x is different then the media that will burn at +4X. Also, a lot of newer drives will not burn CDs at slower the 4x. DVD burning is different - a 2x DVD speed is not the same as a 2x CD speed. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA6UGAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSgdgCdHOf6lgAmUUamyK+4/vAb1fTp x00An2tc1vas3fwgeurb2y/CXPD3fotd =k+R4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: boot: linux text => "Could not find kernel image: linux"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2012 06:17 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/08/2012 05:43 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> Funnily enough downloading a 3.6GB ISO to answer a simple question isn't normally my first response. Someone must know the answer. In any case if the images are the same as you say (you've done this yourself?) it's not going to tell me what the difference is. Or indeed that there's any difference, and then the only way to test that is to burn them image and try it. Which still doesn't explain what's going on. > > Sorry to say that downloading 4GB of stuff to answer simple questions is often *my* first inclination. Only because I enjoy getting my hands dirty and finding things out for myself. Another reason for doing it myself is actually covered in your paragraph above. You've asked "you've done this yourself?". Sometimes, when I see answers here, I ask myself the same question. > > So, yes I've done it myself. Because I feel "more" certain when I do the work myself... > > /dev/loop0 619126 619126 0 100% /mnt/iso (LiveCD) > /dev/loop1 3717164 3717164 0 100% /mnt/iso2 (DVD) > /dev/loop2 603008 603008 0 100% /mnt/sq (LiveCD squashfs.img) > > FWIW, you *don't* need to burn the image. Like I said, you loop mount it. > > I cheat - I use Midnight Commander (mc) to open the image. Also, instead of downloading the DVD image, you could have downloaded the net-install image. But I guess that one could have been different... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAhoz4ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSJ6wCeLHRwdXCQVCyeowGxfTj8miWI OoEAn3a7G5qyawWAXXLwjwwoMvyx55IO =KxuL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
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On 08/07/2012 02:54 PM, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/08/07 12:09, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>
>> On 08/07/2012 01:19 PM, jdow wrote:
>>> Removing PATA "because I'll never use it" leads to you discovering
>>> "never" is often not that far away. (PATA seems to still persist on
>>> certain classes of motherboard, I note. IMAO this is a good thing
>>> to keep old media readable. I also don't throw away old disks that
>>> still spin up and contain data. Well, OK, I'm a packrat. I don't
>>> throw ANY disks away. I have been known to convert their platters
>>> to ersatz wind chimes, though.)
>>>
>>> {^_-}
>> I have a couple of those. One only does PATA, and the second does
>> both PATA and SATA. Then I also have a SATA doc that will work a
>> eSATA or USB. I even have a couple of PATA to SATA and SATA to PATA
>> converters in my junk box for the few times I need them.
>>
>> You are not the only packrat when it comes to old disks. I still
>> have a couple of 8" floppies yet, as well as some paper tape. I
>> think I still have an 8" drive around here somewhere, and a
>> controller to hook it to. But I don't know if I still have the
>> optical paper tape reader. If I do, I am not sure I have anything to
>> interface it to. I do still have DOS program and game disks. I
>> should see if they run in dosemu...
>>
>> What I really should clean out is the old tape backups. I think I
>> still have a drive that will read (but not write) them. I am not
>> sure there is any usable information on them. Some are even DOS
>> backups, as well as some OLD Linux backups. I don't even remember
>> the backup program used to make them.
>>
>> My desktop does use a generic kernel. I could probably get some
>> performance if I compiled a kernel for the AMD Phenom processor, but
>> it isn't worth it. But that is not the answer for all my hardware.
>> Why not build in the drivers you need to boot the system if you have
>> to compile your own kernel anyway?
>>
>> Mikkel
>
> Boy, ah say, Boy! (Phoo - I do a LOUSY foghorn leghorn imitation.
{^_-})
>
> I still have some 8" ST-506 CPM disks around. I also have an 8" SASI
> disk. (All three may still work if heat has not killed them where they
> are currently stored.) I also have at least one 8" double sided
floppy,
> disks that MAY still work, and of course a controller in the old S-100
> machine. Um, I also have lots of Amiga disks - and Amigas themselves.
> Now THAT was a nice little OS for its day once it was tamed and
developers
> learned how to debug properly. It wrung a whole lot of performance
out of
> primitive CPUs by today's standards. THAT is SERIOUS packrateism.
(I bet
> my hypertrophied A-1000 still works, too.)
>
> {^_-}
I still have a working S-100 system with a Z-80 processor, and a 20M
hard drive in it. I do not know how I will replace it if it dies -
it is a MFM drive.
I played with a bunch of S-100 systems, including one that had a
Microplis (sp) floppy system and operating system. At one time I had
software to convert the Basic tokens in the saved BASIC file to
ASCII format, and software that let me read the MDOS disks under
CP/M. I also had a lot of S-100 cards that I figured out how to use
by dissembling the ROMs on the cards, or tracing circuits. I had
more time then money back then.
I never played with an Amigas. From what you have said, they sound
like fun. I probably played with most of the other "home" computers
of the era. I was the guy everybody called for help... Those were
the days...
Mikkel
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Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2012 02:55 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/07/2012 12:09 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You are not the only packrat when it comes to old disks. I still >> have a couple of 8" floppies yet, as well as some paper tape. I >> think I still have an 8" drive around here somewhere, and a >> controller to hook it to. > > If you do, and are thinking of getting rid of it, I may be able to put you in touch with somebody who has a use for it. A friend of mine is very involved with packet radio, and the software at the repeaters still runs on CP/M, because it works, and nobody wants to go to the effort of porting it. It may not be practical for him to take them, but there are packet radio groups all over the country, so he can probably point you at the nearest if needed. If I can find the drive, I would not mind donating it. But the controller is still needed for my Z-80 system. It also interfaces with a 5-1/4" and 3-1/2" floppy drives, and a 20M hard drive. It is sort of a CP/M 2.2 system with ccp replaced with Z???. (I can not remember the correct letters for the Z-80 code replacement.) On the other hand, I may still have a bunch of extra S-100 cards laying around. The CP/M system is all S-100 cards, but I used to have more then one S-100 system. While I am cleaning out stuff, I should probably find a home for my Sparc-Station II, and a bunch of SCSI drives. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAhl0YACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSkvgCcDPDDLJqe9E41HEZJrNDRRkD2 8+0AnRWQXoQLAbnC+MGltpsHME0OT4b2 =2ZNA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2012 03:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > I still remember when configuring X included selecting by hand the proper driver for your card, and how badly things would fsck themselves up if you had the wrong one. At the time, I was using a Virge S3 card, which needed its own driver, as well I knew. Then, an upgrade for X came out, and the README said that you didn't need the special driver for my card. *WRONG!* After reconfiguring with the proper driver, I sent a nice little email to the maintainer, letting him know about the error. > > What I got back was an arrogant snotty-gram telling me that he's the one who wrote the driver and he knows that it works with my card. I replied, telling him that he may have written the driver, but I'm the one trying to use it and No It Doesn't. He shut up and stopped arguing. > > The point of this, if there is one, is that things are much better now than they were back in the Second Millennium, and nobody in their right mind would want to go back. Doing it by hand, including compiling and installing your own kernel to learn how it's done is one thing. Having to do it because there's no other choice is another. (And no, this doesn't include gentoo because they've automated the process so that you don't have to do it all yourself.) Remember when you could smoke a monitor with the wrong settings in your X configuration? Not a problem with most (all?) current monitors. They just give a message that the signal is out of range. But with the old analog-only monitors you could really damage hardware with software settings! Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAhlaIACgkQqbQrVW3JyMS89wCdFjqI6dQ2h/6igrO0p39jQN2+ Nb0An0qkQBl2J6cBpvvIvZxjCGpj+qVG =C91w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
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On 08/07/2012 01:19 PM, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/08/07 04:29, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>
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>> On 08/06/2012 11:29 PM, jdow wrote:
>>> On 2012/08/06 19:17, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Disabling it because the system you are compiling the kernel for
>>>> will not support the hardware. No need for SATA, PCI, or cardbus
>>>> stuff on a system that only has PCMCIA slots for expansion. You do
>>>> not need the USB drivers because it does not have, USB
hardware, and
>>>> you can not find PCMCIA USB cards. (I have a cardbus USB card, but
>>>> that does not help.) But this is not something most people run
into.
>>>>
>>>> Compiling a kernel for a laptop will let you eliminate a lot of
>>>> drivers because you only have limited hardware changes...
>>>>
>>>> A server that is not going to get hardware changes.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Mikkel
>>>
>>> Mikkel, I have done this once or twice in antediluvian days gone by.
>>> Then I discovered a property of Windows. If your motherboard goes
>>> bad and you can't replace it with an exact replacement the
system and
>>> all other software installed on that disk are suddenly useless.
(Yes,
>>> you can at least recover the files. But you cannot recover the
>> installs.)
>>>
>>> It is far better to keep the OS flexible so that on boot it
adapts to
>>> the system you are running. The better the OS as installed on
the disk
>>> does this the easier the effort to get up and running becomes.
>>>
>>> I may recompile the kernel these days; but, the intent of the
>> recompile
>>> is to ADD features compiled out rather than the other way around.
>>>
>>> {^_^}
>>
>> The only problem with that argument is that if the hardware has
>> changed enough that you can not boot with your custom kernel, then
>> you will need a new initrd to boot with a generic kernel. So you
>> have to boot from some type of recovery media in any case.
>>
>> It can actually be easier to fix with a custom kernel - boot from
>> recovery media, do a chroot, and install the latest generic kernel
>> RPM. Let the post install script build the new initrd.
>>
>> Mikkel
>
> That is why adding things is better than subtracting them. Adding, for
> example, a seldom used filesystem can survive a transplant to a whole
> new computer and still work, modulo connecting a disk that uses that
> filesystem. Um, dongles that take PATA and convert it to USB are
REALLY
> nice to keep around for this reason.
>
> Removing PATA "because I'll never use it" leads to you discovering
> "never" is often not that far away. (PATA seems to still persist on
> certain classes of motherboard, I note. IMAO this is a good thing
> to keep old media readable. I also don't throw away old disks that
> still spin up and contain data. Well, OK, I'm a packrat. I don't
> throw ANY disks away. I have been known to convert their platters
> to ersatz wind chimes, though.)
>
> {^_-}
I have a couple of those. One only does PATA, and the second does
both PATA and SATA. Then I also have a SATA doc that will work a
eSATA or USB. I even have a couple of PATA to SATA and SATA to PATA
converters in my junk box for the few times I need them.
You are not the only packrat when it comes to old disks. I still
have a couple of 8" floppies yet, as well as some paper tape. I
think I still have an 8" drive around here somewhere, and a
controller to hook it to. But I don't know if I still have the
optical paper tape reader. If I do, I am not sure I have anything to
interface it to. I do still have DOS program and game disks. I
should see if they run in dosemu...
What I really should clean out is the old tape backups. I think I
still have a drive that will read (but not write) them. I am not
sure there is any usable information on them. Some are even DOS
backups, as well as some OLD Linux backups. I don't even remember
the backup program used to make them.
My desktop does use a generic kernel. I could probably get some
performance if I compiled a kernel for the AMD Phenom processor, but
it isn't worth it. But that is not the answer for all my hardware.
Why not build in the drivers you need to boot the system if you have
to compile your own kernel anyway?
Mikkel
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Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2012 10:28 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > Quoting Dave Ihnat : > >> Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 09:29:49PM -0700--jdow (j...@earthlink.net) said: >>> Then I discovered a property of Windows. If your motherboard goes >>> bad and you can't replace it with an exact replacement the system and >>> all other software installed on that disk are suddenly useless. (Yes, >>> you can at least recover the files. But you cannot recover the installs.) >> >> Ah...just a parenthetical aside. This is quite untrue. I've replaced >> failed motherboards on numerous Windows installations of various versions. >> You usually have to do a recovery reinstallation, but it does work, and >> your installed programs, data, etc. are all preserved. >> >> I'm not defending Windows--this is more along the lines of "Know thine >> enemy". If you're trying to promote Linux, but express actual falsehoods >> about Windows, people will discount all your views. >> > Yes...but if your Linux box is set up with a generic, modular kernel, chances are you won't have to re-install Linux, where, as you point out, with Windows, you'll have to do a "repair" install, at a minimum. At worst, you'll have to try and re-install on another disk and re-install all your apps and copy your data over. So, you are correct in that many cases, on Windows you can do a "repair install" but may end up having to start over from near scratch. Linux, properly set up, doesn't have that issue. :D You do not have to reinstall, but depending on the hardware changes, you have have to do the Linux equivalent of a rescue install. It works as long as you are using the same modules to mount the root file system. But if you need different drivers because of the hardware change, you have to do the build a new initrd before you can boot. This is because the modules used to mount the root file system are in the initrd file. The kernel has the drivers needed to mount the initrd compiled in. But it normally does not have the drivers for the root file system compiled in, unless it is a custom kernel. In some ways, it can actually be easier to make the change with a custom kernel - you do a rescue boot, chroot to the "real" installation, and install the kernel RPM. This has the advantage of automatically building the needed initrd file. Then you can do a normal boot. I have only had to do this a couple of times, and it was because of drastic hardware changes. But when I make that kind of hardware change, I usually do a new install and restore the user data, and migrate config files. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAhT2IACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQHcwCfXrmTDrmzb2HkEad9v+BOenDh GDwAn1aDx43N4B9dzMxG8WeJQZSfAT1Q =ai9V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: boot: linux text => "Could not find kernel image: linux"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2012 08:23 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 7 August 2012 12:33, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/07/2012 03:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> Still hoping someone who knows the difference between the live and >>> installer discs will chip in here. The kernel image on the Live disk >>> is vmlinuz0, but that doesn't boot the same way as the documentation >>> for the install disc one says. I can only guess the install disc >>> provides a different kernel image as substituting 'vmlinuz0 text' runs >>> into problems of no root="" and runs into a backtrace. That or the >>> documentation is wrong. >>> There is a low resolution graphics mode in the troubleshooting menu if >>> that would help at all. >> >> You could mount the iso images of a Live CD and the Install DVD to learn the differences. >> >> The kernel image is the same. The initrd.img are vastly different. >> > > I could do, assuming I had both to hand. Can someone then explain why > the 'linux' command to boot works (assuming the documentation is > correct) on the install DVD, but not the Live DVD? So far as I can see > that should be the name of the image that gets started. Rather than > trying to compare them side by side and guess I was hoping someone who > knows could actually explain what processes are going on here. > For some strange reason it is vmlinuz on the Install DVD and netinstall CD, But it is linuz0 on the Live CD. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAhGf0ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSDDwCaAku3p6ADBXLG71eH8DFVsTFt V7IAniE0KIkM6/EMTyBWAZj0iZK61Zcu =oj/f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
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On 08/06/2012 11:29 PM, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/08/06 19:17, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>
>> Disabling it because the system you are compiling the kernel for
>> will not support the hardware. No need for SATA, PCI, or cardbus
>> stuff on a system that only has PCMCIA slots for expansion. You do
>> not need the USB drivers because it does not have, USB hardware, and
>> you can not find PCMCIA USB cards. (I have a cardbus USB card, but
>> that does not help.) But this is not something most people run into.
>>
>> Compiling a kernel for a laptop will let you eliminate a lot of
>> drivers because you only have limited hardware changes...
>>
>> A server that is not going to get hardware changes.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Mikkel
>
> Mikkel, I have done this once or twice in antediluvian days gone by.
> Then I discovered a property of Windows. If your motherboard goes
> bad and you can't replace it with an exact replacement the system and
> all other software installed on that disk are suddenly useless. (Yes,
> you can at least recover the files. But you cannot recover the
installs.)
>
> It is far better to keep the OS flexible so that on boot it adapts to
> the system you are running. The better the OS as installed on the disk
> does this the easier the effort to get up and running becomes.
>
> I may recompile the kernel these days; but, the intent of the
recompile
> is to ADD features compiled out rather than the other way around.
>
> {^_^}
The only problem with that argument is that if the hardware has
changed enough that you can not boot with your custom kernel, then
you will need a new initrd to boot with a generic kernel. So you
have to boot from some type of recovery media in any case.
It can actually be easier to fix with a custom kernel - boot from
recovery media, do a chroot, and install the latest generic kernel
RPM. Let the post install script build the new initrd.
Mikkel
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Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2012 10:05 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 08/06/2012 09:17 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Compiling a kernel for a laptop will let you eliminate a lot of >> drivers because you only have limited hardware changes... > > This might have made since in 1999 when Linux was first getting started and every byte mattered. However, today, with terabyte storage and 8GB of RAM for less than $100 USD (each) this makes no sense at all. You're just wasting your time. Not having modules or compiling in modules provides zero performance benefit. Just FYI. > > P.S. Perfect item to add to Tim's list. :) It depends on the laptop. You are assuming that it is for a modern laptop. It isn't. It is being used as a smart X terminal. I do not do it for my desktop, or the laptop I take with me. Just FYI - there is a slight improvement gained by not enabling modules. It is not worth the difference with a modern processor. There is a bigger performance difference when compiling for the processor when you are using an older processor. The difference between a 586 and a K5 matters. Besides, it is hard to find a pre-compiled kernel for them. (OK - so I have some old hardware I need to keep running. I know someone that has to keep a DOS system running... ) At least it is better then the first system I ran Linux on - try running it on a 386DX with 4M of RAM and no CD-ROM drive. Mikkel - -- Yes, I'm a dirty old man ... and I'll be one until I'm a DEAD old man! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAgkx4ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTuSgCdFw+C/MeHWzqGvwRMVmJwzjwd u0IAnRl/LFdwFIPcuge92QxTSKdp0uvx =Xifp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cargo Cult sysadmining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2012 03:38 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/06/2012 01:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: >> On 06.08.2012 15:52, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> Tim wrote: >>>> Just look at the feature list on the documentation, or websites, and the >>>> idiot admins will target them first. And, if you have a desktop that >>>> still has normal menus, look through the system admin items for more >>>> ideas. >>> I can think of one item you missed from your list: >>> >>> Disable IPv6 (disabling it cures cancer!) >> >> OK, but what if I don't need it? You can say that it's harmless etc. But >> why the hell then, people recompile the kernel to disable other unused >> modules/features? Are they cargo cult sysadmins? >> >> Maybe it's not so bad idea to disable all unused pieces of software in >> your system? >> > > IMAO, it all depends on why you're disabling it. Are you doing it because you don't use it and don't ever expect to (Short-sighted, if you ask me, but it's your box, not mine.) or are you disabling it to avoid problems that it either doesn't cause or, at least, hasn't caused in a long time? Disabling it because the system you are compiling the kernel for will not support the hardware. No need for SATA, PCI, or cardbus stuff on a system that only has PCMCIA slots for expansion. You do not need the USB drivers because it does not have, USB hardware, and you can not find PCMCIA USB cards. (I have a cardbus USB card, but that does not help.) But this is not something most people run into. Compiling a kernel for a laptop will let you eliminate a lot of drivers because you only have limited hardware changes... A server that is not going to get hardware changes. ... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAgesEACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSeyQCfVhffRqTSituFCsng9dIAILJn bTMAn3HlH8RwxHeSQLlIka2YmoBNOyGw =hbEv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: vmlinuz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2012 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/06/2012 07:43 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 22:37 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: >>> is it possible to use an image from another user >> Maybe... >> >> If I recall correctly, it's custom-built for your computer's hardware >> when the kernel is installed, including the things you need for your PC >> to boot. It mightn't have what someone else needs to boot up, or may >> boot up but be lacking something important (such as no working network >> hardware, or drivers for all your disc drives, et cetera). >> > > FWIW, I'd not give vmlinuz much thought > > So, I downloaded the kernel-3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64.rpm and extracted its vmlinuz-3.5.0-2.fc17.x86_64 and did a diff of what is on my system and what is on a VM. They are all identical. > The difference in is the initrd file generated when the kernel is installed. That file has the system specific drivers needed for boot, along with other startup information. Without it, you would either need a lot of drivers compiled into the kernel, or compile a machine specific kernel. Compiling your own kernel and doing away with the initrd file can be fun, and a good test of system hardware. But it is not something most people want to bother with. Besides, it takes knowledge of your specific hardware, and what is/is not required to do it correctly. I know how to do it, but I do not bother except for use on low-resource machines. (I have a 486 table with 24M of RAM and 360M of storage.) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAgd/kACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTmUgCeIFDmz0xKTcFPUxBUTVjNcwEJ MmAAn0aoVNJBZuPc3/nTByiYQp4r3Yuk =8YPE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: WTF? several anon_inode and /dev/null listings with lsof search
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2012 06:47 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/07/2012 05:18 AM, rabidblog...@safe-mail.net wrote: >> I've searched the web and cannot find anything which explains these to my satisfaction. > > I don't know But I have lots of them (3496) belonging to processes such as kded4, knotify4, konsole, pulseaudio, chrome, thunderbird, and others So, I'm sure it simply is due to using a common system call.. > > Besides, you asked the same question on OpenSUSE. > Process starting with their output redirected to /dev/null? I know it is used a lot in batch files where you do want any of the version or identification output of a program - just the return code and whatever the program does. It is also sometimes used to send any error output to the bit bucket. Another common use is in cron jobs - you only want output if there is an error, or any output to be output through syslog. Normal program output would generate an unwanted e-mail message from the cron job. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAgdjgACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR0qQCfSTreBPVOCYjBs8owpQKDoVRP EZYAnAvM6P6L4uK3Cp3BUf74AOZW0cho =XheV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: question regarding ls w/ colors and capturing to file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/31/2012 08:00 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 7/31/2012 4:35 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/31/2012 07:12 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> Wouldn't -R work better then -r? >> Yes, it would be better. >> > > Ed and Mikkel: > > +++ > script -c "ls -FR --color" outfile; less -R outfile > +++ > > works great. Its a bit of a pain to not be able to use an editor to scan the file, but I am happy to be able to get "page breaks" with the color as that's better than setting a window scroll memory to 10K lines (and it seems the script command gives me that anyway as everything goes to the screen first. > > Many thanks, > Paul > > Paul, You may want to look at the search capabilities built into less. (man less). Unless you need to modify the file, less should let you do what you want. Also, you can use ls -FR --color | less -R to get rid of the output to the screen buffer. Have fun. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAYhUkACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTXsACbBSH6/Obxw8PBkXY9mIY0swRj 3QkAn0pTRNV9l4j/FT4opQUzqUd+0Azb =dtDM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Modifying nm-dhclient-wlan0.conf ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/31/2012 11:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > My short term goal is to set up resolv.conf the way I want without disabling > network manager. > I set up a config file for dhclient, but it turns out that NetworkManager runs dhclient with the configfile set to one it generates insteqad of the normal one used by dhclient. For the first wireless interface the file is named /var/run/nm-dhclient-wlan0.conf . > > Is there a way to control what is in that file using NetworkManager configuration? Under the IPv4 settings, pick Automatic (DHCP) address only. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAYMLoACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQQzgCfU+WLI+nHZeILIr9d7sMJi0fv HBwAn1+Qm2LIl5lYBcssYz4/X9T+Lf36 =4HRe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: question regarding ls w/ colors and capturing to file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/31/2012 02:53 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/31/2012 03:45 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> I'll try to think a bit more > > I just realized you mentioned "more" and "less" in your original post > > less -r outfile > > Will show the colors Is that sufficient? > Wouldn't -R work better then -r? Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAXvbcACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRpTgCfU1oZxsN6AFcO6XRW3Vz+hHhk m84Anj8r8r+m6xHTNni+OAQ8FHyU2ECG =IxUn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd and ssh/ftp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/30/2012 07:48 PM, Bill Shirley wrote: > > On 7/29/2012 3:17 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: >> On 29.07.2012 21:11, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 07/29/2012 12:01 PM, pringle...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Sorry if this sarcasm get to someone, i get to me than someone teaches >>>> me what i already know and in the FOOS world tell me what to do (what is >>>> this apple inc?), i am asking for some ideas not leasons. >>> OK, now tell us why you thought that disabling your firewall would >>> help. And, for that matter, why disable SELinux[1] unless you're >>> getting alerts and the troubleshooter's suggestions don't help. >>> Sometimes, getting people to stop doing Bad Things is just as >>> important as helping them fix what's wrong and in this case, it could >>> also help you avoid future issues. >>> >>> [1]Cargo Cult sysadminning at its worst, IMAO. >> I don't think it's your job to tell OP how he should protect his system. >> It's up to him. If you can't provide information he asked for just >> ignore this topic. He is free to enable/disable his SELinux and firewall >> any time he likes to. >> >> >> Mateusz Marzantowicz > It's the same reason you would say "Drive safely and wear your seat belt". It's good advice. > > Bill > Another thing to consider - if OP's system is connected to the Internet, then his security decisions affect more then just him. Look how poor or uniformed decisions by Windows users has affected our use of the Internet. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAXOD0ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQd4QCeN0QYGW6S/9M3kBRL24Q9AQhM OTQAnRpPqQY5eSG+yunlthx2UxeRwoVW =rl8u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installation fails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/29/2012 07:33 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 29.07.2012, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> Would be easy to submit a bug report or RFE. > > Jepp, I'll do. > >> There's one bug report already that complains about a missing Estimated >> Time value, but I could not find a ticket specifically covering the final >> Verification step of all installed packages. >> >> The progress bar calculation would need to become very elegant > [] > > I think a progress bar or otherwise increasing counter isn't necessary > at all. It would be sufficient if the user would be informed: > > "Now the istalled packets will be verified. Depending on your installation, this > can take from a few minutes up to half an hour. Please stand by." > > That's all it needs, telling the user that it's ok if the system > doesn't "do anything" for a longer time. > I did an install of F17 from the live CD the other day, and it gave you a message that it was going to take a while before the pause. I am not sure if you see the same message from the install DVD. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAVmUgACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSZPwCdHxp/Vt6JRiB8dT7tibytXDNh r2kAn3CW6qW87OG6J02almIGHV2xwpxx =W90s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2012 07:55 PM, Matt Morgan wrote: > Thanks to all who responded! Wine is great but not in this case, for various > reasons. And I can't probably reinstall from inside VirtualBox, as this is just the version of Windows XP that came pre-installed (OEM, that is) on the computer. So I'll give it a try, the hard way! > It may be possible to install the pre-installed version in VirtualBox. If you have restore disks, chances are you can use them. You may have to tweak some of the BIOS settings in the virtual machine. This is covered in the manual. You just have to set some of the BIOS information strings to match the ones in the real BIOS so that the install software is happy. I have done this with Toshiba restore disks in the past when I wiped the original, installed Linux, and then re-installed Windows in a virtual machine running on the same box. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAR+bIACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSs7gCfZVTRDurEkq0ANz4Md0QzPa16 fFgAn3oCmbdSlMIMzC4EpW8Ozk8VfksR =90/X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote: > I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it from > inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of Windows. > > Thanks, > Matt > > Before you start playing with this, duplicate your hardware profile in Windows. You will probably need one profile when you boot Windows directly, and one when you boot it in a virtual machine. I have not used Virtual Machine Manager, but you can read about how to do it with VirtualBox in: 9.8.1 Using a raw host hard disk from a guest Be sure to make good backups and head the warnings. This is for "expert users only" according to the manual. It used to be possible from VMWare, but I have not tried it in a while, so I do not know if it is currently supported. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAQqS8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR2OACfbgQEGm3LP0/GZpvx+7ygGMHE lhYAn0WquY7M2iTaa/ZrUMi0MR/R3pNp =ZEVZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hard drive not mounting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/19/2012 03:08 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mailto:mellert...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/08/2012 11:27 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: > >> > > same usb stick is mounted properly if conencted to the other USB > > ports of same computer (but not on the hub) > > > Dumb question - does the hub have its own power supply, or is it > powered by the USB connection? > > Mikkel > > > Devices connect to the USB hub get their power from the USB port. > > Richard > > I guess I did not make myself clear - where does the hub get its power? Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAIbfAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRXuwCfRc14IVdPHx38ay7niYn6CHCT Q2wAn1PQur6bJ3MCzRlF/MfBCxr2E36g =z0oT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hard drive not mounting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2012 11:27 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: >> > same usb stick is mounted properly if conencted to the other USB > ports of same computer (but not on the hub) > Dumb question - does the hub have its own power supply, or is it powered by the USB connection? Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAIHDwACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTn8wCeJIFgso6xzVSbGtPyhb8pBCL4 7rEAn1ia2jTvek9PnOt1M5xXj7TCUYfN =OK3/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17: trying to diagnose problem with external USB drive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/18/2012 02:18 PM, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 07:54:15 AM -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: >> On 07/18/2012 08:03 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: >>> rsync -rpvt --delete /photo/ /media/LACIE/photo >>> >>> the drives ALWAYS becomes read-only at some point, thus making rsync fail >>> >>> dmesg says (complete output below) that: >>> >>> [625087.410234] FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF >>> [625087.410239] FAT-fs (sdb1): Filesystem has been set read-only >>> >> Looks to me like there are too many files for the sinple FAT16 >> directory structure on the device. > > I understand what you say, but: > > the folder that I am backing up contains <25k files total, in lots of > folders and subfolders, and afaik the max number of files for vfat > (both 16 and 32) is well above that number > > above all, I was doing this backup on two different USB external > drives of different size (500 and 128 GB), both with enough space to > host that folder (which is ~110 GB) and both vfat. But there was no > problem with the bigger drive. > > If the number of files is the problem, why would it happen only on the > smallest drive? Simply because it is smaller, e.g. with less blocks, > even if the number of files is well below the vfat maximum? > > Thanks, > Marco > > > If you are trying to put 110 GB on a 128 GB drive, you are probably running out of room. Run "df -h" when the drive is mounted, and see how much space the drive has after things like the space used by formatting the drive, and possible differences in how 1 GB is figured are taken into account. Then there is all the wasted space on files that are not exact multiples of the allocation size. Remember, a 2 byte file still uses up one allocation block. So does a directory. Depending on the file system, you can run out of allocation units before running out of disk space. The fact that it is VFAT does not tell you anything about the underlying file system. VFAT is a way to use long file names on a FAT file system. It can be any size FAT file system. The underlying file system determines how many files you can have, and the allocation unit size. - From the error message, it looks like you are running out of allocation units. The system tried to allocate more FAT entries that there were on the drive. "deleting FAT entry beyond EOF" Just for fun, what does "fdisk -l " tell you about the file system? Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAHgVsACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTLoACfWNuiV8YAgMmwH5zG10ZZqKn9 8yQAn3qZ1vGNbItiZx5BhFgoBdGY0BHL =kyBu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 cursor problem : request
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On 07/08/2012 04:09 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
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> []
>> Under Gnome, if you open Advanced Settings --> Theme --> Cursor theme
>> you can select different cursor themes including different colors and
>> sizes. The only hard part is that you do not get a preview.
>
> Well, I went to the machine actually running Gnome 3 -- and
> couldn't find Advanced Settings ... :-{
>
Make sure you have gnome-tweak-tool installed. You will then find it
under accessories in the application menu. It is one of those
packages that I always install, and do not think about. (Midnight
Commander is another one.)
Mikkel
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Re: Hard drive not mounting (was: F17- Internal USB hub not working)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2012 01:35 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: > > when I connect an external HD (powered) I get: > >> lsusb >> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 045e:0728 Microsoft Corp. >> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1a40:0101 TERMINUS TECHNOLOGY INC. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB >> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04e8:3268 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd ML-1610 Mono Laser Printer >> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader >> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub >> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> Bus 001 Device 000: ID 059f:0651 LaCie, Ltd > > Lacie is the hD, but it is not mounted!!! > OK - that is not a hub problem. The hub is working. If it wasn't, you would not see the hard drive. Now we need to find out way the drive is not getting mounted. The first thing I would do is run "fdisk -l" and see if the partitions on the drive are detected properly. You can also look in /var/log/messages to see what the system is doing when you plug in the drive. If the drive is detected properly, then we move to why it is not being mounted. For that, the first thing we need to know is the desktop you are running. (Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox, etc.) From there, we can tell you what settings to check. It is possible to turn off auto-mounting. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/5n/MACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQL2QCfRZQkmldcBEY5FIrf8qCRBQi0 T2UAn0H4b7g0syRG+1dD8ExMfs6LCzFU =Y3Ze -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 cursor problem : request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2012 08:54 PM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 20:33 +, Beartooth wrote: >> But even the control key function *and* a pair of eyes on each of >> two panels, together, are still more distracting and less convenient >> than a good big mouse cursor, especially a colored one. > > Yes, at times I've lost my mouse, and found it very hard to find again. > Made all the more worse for Fedora's propensity for sending the mouse > running off wildly in some random direction if anything lightly touched > the mouse. Yes, it's done this since Red Hat Linux days, on several > completely different computers and mice (USB mice seem the less likely > to do it), and I'm not the only one to have brought this up. > > Like you, I've found a larger pointer and coloured one helpful, not that > I've found a way to do that on Linux. And the "show the mouse location > with an animation when I hit the control key," hasn't always been too > helpful, as the animation is tiny. At times I'd prefer another method > of mouse pointer location - selectable full screen cross hairs that went > completely from edge to edge. Quite apart from making it easy to find a > lost mouse pointer, it'd help an awful lot when it comes to placing > things in the right place on the page for desk top publishing and > graphics work, when you want to align one thing against something else > that it's nowhere near (objects on the page, or rulers along the edge of > the window). > Under Gnome, if you open Advanced Settings --> Theme --> Cursor theme you can select different cursor themes including different colors and sizes. The only hard part is that you do not get a preview. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/4z20ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRRBACeMYI2S0+KyS0r4UrDFoy4x05W UUYAnjDT4yxWHlI/qxtVAJet6p/8YP0e =3ZTm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17- Internal USB hub not working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2012 12:06 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: > I installed a cheap USB hub and multi-card reader. > I get it working only as card reader, nothing seems be working when external devices are connected. > > Output of lsusb is: > > lsusb > Bus 001 Device 009: ID 045e:0728 Microsoft Corp. > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1a40:0101 TERMINUS TECHNOLOGY INC. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB > Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04e8:3268 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd ML-1610 Mono Laser Printer > Bus 005 Device 002: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > > I think that the device is: > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1a40:0101 TERMINUS TECHNOLOGY INC. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB > > and > Bus 005 Device 002: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader > > Any idea where to look?? You can try it on another computer. But I suspect that you have a defective unit. Dumb question - do you have a power supply connected to it, or are you running it "bus powered"? If you do not have an external power supply for it, then do not expect to be able to use any "bus powered" devices with it. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/4ytEACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRwpQCfWVRzLCSTvkDdotv35b0yeY5V l5wAn0OglOsiYFRvfQzxjr04fcjiIswN =KM1T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/27/2012 10:57 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:24:05PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a >> user daemon. > > I have done so, and it didn't work. Specifically, I put these > commands into /etc/rc.d/rc.local: > # Start the pulseaudio daemon > /usr/bin/pkill -9 pulseaudio > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill > sleep 1 > echo "/usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog" > /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog > /usr/bin/play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Phone-Ring.ogg > > Upon rebooting, no sound was produced, but a pulseaudio daemon was > found running with the --system option. Neither I nor root could produce > any sound. The 'play' command ran for a time commensurate with its > usual running time, but no sound emanated from the speakers. > > Neither 'pulseaudio --kill' nor 'pkill pulseaudio' were able to > stop the daemon, either as root or as dad. root running 'kill -9 ' > did kill it. With it gone, I could once again generate sound, but root > could not. > > Perhaps I misunderstand the correct way to start a "system daemon" of > pulseaudio. I did also edit /etc/group, adding root and dad to groups > audio, pulse, pulse-access just for good measure. > > Reading 'man pulseaudio' tells me the --system option is not > recommended. Perhaps the consequences are so dire and > world-threatening that the developer has made it inoperative. > It tells us that a special configuration is needed, but provides no > clue what that may be. > You need to edit the files in /etc/pulse. You at lease need to modify the daemon.conf file. You will probably want uncomment daemonize and system-instance and change them to yes. Mikkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/rSgIACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR/oACdGu6Trd1d6F5ud0wIrAllZR6o PZ4An08JqM2MNoWzchCOjU/kJ6TPNn7Z =+3W3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Fedora on a USB connected Harddrive.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/2012 12:37 PM, Jim wrote: > Fedora 17 new install on a USB connected hard drive. > > I have Dell Dimension 2400 with WindowsXP installed, But !! I can't get this Dell to Boot off a CDROM. > by even setting up BIOS to boot off CDROM. > > Yes the CD is a Bootable CD. If you read the CD from within WindowsXP it will read the the files on the CD. > > I was thinking about taking hard drive out the Dell and USB connect the hard drive to another Computer and do a resize of WindowsXP and install Fedora on hard drive and setting up the hard drive as a Boot drive , then put it back into the Dell 2400. > > The Dell hard drive is a IDE drive and My computer is SATA so I can't put the Dell hard drive in my PC. > > Will it Work > > You will probably run into problems with the wrong drivers being loaded into the initrd image. It may not have the IDE drivers. Are you sure your system does not have an IDE connection as well as the SATA connections? A lot of motherboards have both. In any case, you will have to select a custom GRUB config because the drive configuration will be different when you are installing and when you boot with the drive back in the Dell. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/qYs8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMS8LgCffA6sxz9LG/E0uHekS8iv1Wzb bsYAnj6RlihnE1XMHfWT9g5924KgMpdZ =iLfn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/2012 02:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the > sound system? > > Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart > Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default > installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious > complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the > one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes > having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a > security risk. Bosh! Well, that depends on if you have a microphone attached to your system, and consider allowing a remote user to listen to what is going on by your computer a security risk. > > A simple workaround was found - remove the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > package, and edit /etc/group, adding everyone on the system to the > audio group (what a nutty idea). That removed the restrictions and > restored sanity. Root could even generate a login tune via the > /etc/rc.d/rc.local script, before anyone had logged on. > > With F17, this escape hatch has been removed. > With the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package absent, a simple command to > play a sound yields a core dump: > > $ play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-Log-In.ogg > dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm2 > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > The pcm device file is, indeed, absent from the file system. > In fact, no sounds whatever can be generated by any of the standard > methods I use. (Except that Windows running inside VirtualBox seems > able to manage it.) It sounds like the snd_pcm module did not get loaded. > > To get any sound at all, I've had to reinstall the > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package, but this allows only me to generate > sound and destroys my crontab-simulated grandfather clock, among other > things. > > On an i386 netbook, F17 sound works fine, as it always has, with the > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package removed. The play program doesn't > complain about the absence of /dev/dsptask/pcm2, but just plays the > sound. > > What new magic incantation is now required that I may be permitted > to use my x86_64 sound system fully? > You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a user daemon. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/qYLQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRCYgCeLds+GSpPpofeVzSwt6mYk94K t4gAmwYTb1G+5Y3OgSoqA86SVGB/RJNU =GAup -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: tracker-store and tracker-extract eating 50% of cpu time on a Dual-core AMD Opteron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/23/2012 06:05 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Tim mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au>> wrote: > > Has this tracker taken the second approach? Â And would trying the > "morning scan" approach sidestep the issue? > > > In my case the problem would be that "morning scan" would be meaningless, as some days I'm in the middle of work at 04:00am and others I'm just going to sleep at 04:00am. ;) > > There needs to be a RFID wristband and built-in reader and associated IsTheUserReallyReallySleepingD system daemon so the system can *really* know when I'm sleeping and perform such annoying operations on my variable sleep time window. :-D > > FC You could also detect system activity - something like "is the screen blanked, and the system load below x". A simpler fix might be to change when the daily cron jobs run. Pick a time when you know you will not be using the system. You could also remove the cron daily job run, and run it when you are finished for the day, but you run the risk of forgetting to run it before going to bed. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/lqpoACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQ2rgCePvvyF5tFnmkiWCJ8b6mvIllr 9CgAmgO5Gz9bjgc7CVJsAfGUDWQ20nli =BiR2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Backup for server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/07/2012 07:58 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Alan Holt wrote: >> Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16 >> server. >> The task is simple: >> - Snapshots every night >> - Full backup one time in the week >> >> I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use something >> tool for similar purpose. >> Thanks. >> >> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have important >> data. > > I use BackupPC (available in the main repos) at home and have also set > it up in a business environment as a contractor. There is some front > end setup but it works quite well and uses a web interface. > > You can use rsync, tar, or smb as backup methods. I'm not sure what > your boss has against rsync but with backup PC it's all done over an > SSH tunnel so it's just as secure as any other method. > > Richard rsync will also use a ssh tunnel. From the man page, it looks like this is now the default option. It used to use rsh, with ssh being an option. There are security concerns with using the older r* tools. If I remember correctly, it has to do with the service you had to run in order to use them. (I can not remember what it is called - it has been too long sense the last time I had it installed/enabled.) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/hDCYACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSkLgCePEA3tLKfzh0jN+4wTobKt7f6 MloAniTQm1yLJRTUuLHI3zWsMe8KI02T =GDs/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: way to flush /var/log/message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/2012 11:51 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Hello: > > Is there a way to flush output to /etc/log/message so a tail -f > catches things when they happen rather than what I think I am > seeing as a buffer hold-until-full delay? > > Thanks in advance, Paul What you are seeing is the last last 10 lines of the file, and then new additions as it is added to the file. This is the way tail -f works. You may want to read the man or info page on tail. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+44ZcACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRv1wCbBDEnRbhXLU/DVBxd7dfCLo2r Ky4AnRv6uLKTVV1A+V6sQzSY2jNdYs4f =BXW1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum package cleanup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/2012 11:35 AM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to be able to save the rpm files that yum downloads. > > Thanks to the following nugget from Google... > > "I believe what you are looking for is /var/cache/yum//packages. This directory is expunged during package cleanup." > > ...I now know where they are stored. > > Two part question: > > When is package cleanup performed? > > Is there a way to prevent the expunging? > > Thanks, > Mike Wright In /etc/yum.conf, change keepcache=0 to keepcache=1. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+qofcACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRF4QCgglezieiPAxuam3ssdk6HVawW ypsAnj4+qn2DIkTdgj5Driy8JKbbk6a4 =a9Gx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/2012 08:42 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 05.05.2012 15:28, schrieb Ted Roche: >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> When someone on this list asks for help in modifying a behavior to suit their >>> needs/desires why are they often asked to justify their requests? In this case, and >>> in may others, I can't see that seeking/offering justification will help in finding a >>> solution. >>> >> >> This is often referred to as the "XY Problem" where a questioner has >> problem X, has determined to solve it with solution Y, and is asking >> for help getting solution Y to do what it is they think it should do. >> In fact, solution Y may not be be the optimal solution, and there may >> be a well-known and reliable solution to problem X. So, asking "why do >> you want to do this?" often leads to the real problem, and a better >> solution. >> >> Ref: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id479492 > > especially in this case > > why storing data in /tmp and search how to change behavior of the > OS instead simply use another directory and accept that /tmp is > NOT a place where you can expect your data are alive at any time > later? > > mkdir /mytmp > chmod 1777 /mytmp > > so, now you have a folder with the same permissions as /tmp > everybody can store files there, only the owner have access > to them and nothing of the OS is touching it > > > The way I do it is to create a tmp directory in each user's home directory. (Add to /etc/skel) Then I have TMP set to this directory. (Add local.sh and local.csh in /etc/profile.d) This works for programs that honor TMP and is easy to add to scripts. if [ -z $TMP ] then temp_file=/tmp/dd.$$ else temp_file=$TMP/dd.$$ fi Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+lMGAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSm4ACcCW1LU/abdyD9enyIQCw9E958 zQIAniPci+6V1wcwuqqvfwKstsAsOvMC =qgxs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/03/2012 02:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Joe Zeff mailto:j...@zeff.us>> wrote: > > OK, the device itself is good. Â Have you connected any other usb devices to that port to make sure the port's good? Â Not that I think it isn't, but it never hurts to be sure. > > > Yes, pen drives. Those work. Odd. > > I have in /etc/fstab > > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto rw,sync,user,noauto,nosuid,exec,nodev 0 0 > > After all these years (my first Linux was Caldera in 1999) I find it mind-blowing that mounting devices is still the same mess as usual when every other modern OS detects and mounts devices automagically > > Oh well... > FC > > > One thing to keep in mind is that a USB floppy drive will not be /dev/fd0. It will show up as a SCSI drive. I believe that yours showed up as /dev/sdg. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+ia74ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQqVQCdHD7SJ2co8XOHMVCNzno+emyV AmwAn0AUTKwzEs29yBy4mlxdVlPVkgPS =uPxP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Which Windows for Virtual Box ? (F16, USB, etc)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/26/2012 06:34 PM, Claude Jones wrote: > On 04/25/2012 06:10 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I'm using Windows XP in Virtual Box, mainly because I had a spare >> license for it. I give it 1.0GB and it does OK. > > surely, you must mean 10GB - I just spent considerable time yesterday struggling with space issues on two XP VMs that had been allotted 10 GB - unless the OP is really struggling with space issues and is absolutely certain they will never install much on their XP VMs, I would recommend 15 GB allocations - hard drive space is cheap > I think Steven was talking about memory, not drive size. Depending on the amount of system memory, you may want to increase that. As far as disk space, you may want to create another virtual drive that you can connect to the XP VMs. I have a 50 GB drive just for media files. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+Z38QACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTUkwCeMv+2hQBOF16aABkTXKh+lbS+ tbgAniAUzeV9a/n2tfxT7bufJagKENbg =g2Tb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2012 08:11 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 00:15 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 23.04.2012 00:09, schrieb Jonathan Ryshpan: >> > I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in >> > the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for >> > hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, >> > exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this >> > function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are >> > pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. >> >> have you ever heard about DNS? :-) > I have. The gateway includes a mini DNS server within itself, as you probably know. I could set up a DNS server on one of my hosts, but don't think this would be worth the trouble, since there will be at most 4 of them. Thanks for your advice, which is well meant though mischievously stated (;-). > > jon > With that few hosts, you may want to have your router assign specific IP address to each MAC address, so that they are always the same, and use the host file as you stated. I have not checked the specifications for your router, but most will let you assign a static IP address in the DHCP setup. The only drawback is that if you change NICs, you have to modify the settings in the router, or change the configuration on the computer so it uses the old MAC address... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+VRf0ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQjaQCeP58eOx+nHB1FawkosfvrcVYC e+EAnAtQpq3JBJGAyVZcvGSJ3oGJGDdV =4PZw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mknod
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/17/2012 02:44 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > 17.04.2012 21:25, Patrick Dupre: >> Hello, >> >> I made mknod -m 660 /dev/fd0H1440 b 2 28 >> but at the next reboot I had to do it again. >> Why? > Maybe because it is populated during system boot process or when device > is attached to the system. Check for udev. > > > Mateusz Marzantowicz /dev has been a mounted as a temporary (RAM) file system sense before udev was adopted. So any changes you make are lost in a reboot. The /dev/fd[0-9] block devices are created as needed when the system detects floppies. For example, when the floppy module is loaded, or when a USB floppy is plugged in. You can create a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d to create the format specific devices. You may want to look at /lib/udev/rules.d/60-floppy.rules for an example of what to detect. This is the system rule that creates /dev/fd[0-9]. I do not have time to generate a rule right now, but if you need help, I can come up with one later... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+QOYwACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSWxgCfV3wYVGZDpsdDrVzdcrmTRQ2p uKwAn1xAMgdP9izGBcCeO2webExR8vkx =4FoN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: EasyCAP driver.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/09/2012 01:29 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 28/03/12 14:53, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: >>> I've boroughed an easycap device in order to perform VHS2DVD conversion of >>> my old VHS-tapes. I am therefore seeking a driver for Fedora 14 or 16. Does >>> anybody have experience with this device? >>> >>> [erik@epohost ~]$ lsusb >>> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 05e1:0408 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd STK1160 Video >>> Capture Device >> >> Support for this device was added to the 2.6.38 kernel. Which means >> F14 is too old, but it should work out of the box on F16. >> >> -T.C. > It doesn't get mounted when inserted. Any advice on what to do? > I would expect it to show up as a device, not as a file system that gets mounted. I would check your logs when you plug it in and see what device is created. I expect it would be a video device. You would then use that device as your source. You may need to read up on Video 4 Linux. (v4linux) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+Dat0ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRZxQCaAn/plZY6yY8sEo2e1XxtEma3 f/sAn2K4EDt/OzwBIvizT3kNZRW43EoY =BH28 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: soft link vs. direct efficiency
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 11:19 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > I've added a second disk to my system (/dev/sdb1) and moved a directory > from my home folder there. I then created a soft link to the new directory: > > ln -s /mnt/sdb1/mystuff/folderA folderA > > When I'm copying files to it, is there any loss of efficiency (in a > measurable sense) between > > rsync /path/to/folderB ~/folderA and > rsync /path/to/folderB /mnt/sdb1/mystuff/folderA > > Not enough to make any difference. The directories would be buffered in either case, so the only delay would be in resolving the symlink on the first read. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk97NIsACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTJfACfYZY0InyJhuYBnx2YKuwse0OV hBYAnRD8WK6GIY7wiofm8jpda2hRbDu+ =+E3H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to change network address ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2012 11:07 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I need to change the address of this computer temporarily to a > 192.168.2.? instead of 192.168.1.9 to connect to a device that I > reset. > > There used to be a menu that I used for this but with F16/XFCE I > am lost. > > Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to do this? > > Bob > > > You could run: sudo route add -net 192.168.2.0/24 eth0 from a terminal. This will add a route to the 192.168.2.0/24 network that you can use to talk to the device without changing your IP address. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk93M8EACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQmlACfUNi8BCoKKzKatBVP7/XtPT0f kocAnR0Hoa0p/jPrlZANi+RWiNPadDAz =piJS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Power off button acting differently?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/15/2012 04:05 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 10:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Pushing the power button, as opposed to holding it, is an ACPI event >> that is trapped. The action is controlled by >> /etc/acpi/events/powerconf. That defaults to running >> /etc/acpi/actions/power.sh. That script checks to see if a power >> manager is running. If so, the event is passed to the power manager. >> Is not, the system runs the shutdown command. >> >> Now, depending on what desktop you are running, you set what you >> want to happen by setting the action in the power manager setup. >> (This is under System Settings -->Power in Gnome.) >> >> Mikkel > --- > I don't disagree with what you are saying but getting used to shuting down an operating system > using the power button is a bad practice. For example on my machine > holding the power button shuts down the machine while pressing the > button puts the machine to sleep. I agree this is configurable. But that > is in Fedora Linux, on other systems it is treated as a system error. > > Well, the difference between pushing the power button, and holding to long enough to bypass the OS and turn the system off is rather pronounced in most systems. But that only applies to systems that can be powered off by using software. There are still systems around that use a rocker or push-on/push-off switch to turn them off. But you do get Windows users that are also use the power button to have the system shutdown. Exactly what a power button press does is configurable in the power control panel on Windows as well - at least in any version of Windows that is using ACPI. For that matter, what happens when you close the lid on a laptop is also configurable. I usually have my laptop go to sleep when I close the lid. That works best for the way I usually use the laptop. I have the power button configured to make it hibernate. But on my desktop, I have the power button do a shutdown. I do not use it often, but I have managed to lock up the system a time or two when playing with new hardware/software, and it was that, or ssh into the machine and do a shutdown that way. (Who would have expected a specific video card and TV tuner card to lock up the system when used together, but each would work fine with other hardware...) So there is no one answer to this. That is why it is configurable, instead of being hard-coded. I think doing a shutdown is a reasonable default when there is no power manager software running, and passing it on the the power manager if it is running lets each user set their preference. The nice thing about Linux is that the user gets to decide how things like this work. YMMV Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9ipD8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSq0gCghh2RJYO3JbqiyX6elmX2+pTY jAIAn1wRvvtmZrI7GLPjxOsJxIqwv2GQ =l/GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Power off button acting differently?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/15/2012 09:12 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 18:42 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: >> I've recently noticed that my classroom machines are acting >> differently when using the power button to shut down. With past >> versions and originally with Fedora 16, the power button would >> cause it to do the same as a shutdown. But know it seems to go >> into a hibernation mode, and the power light is blinking. >> >> Attempts to get it to wake up fail, and only pressing and holding >> the power button in to shut it down, or removing power will get it to >> go off. Then for some reason, it will then boot up, and then restart >> again before going to a normal operation? >> >> Is there some setting to get the power button to do a shutdown >> and not a hibernation or sleep? > The system is not designed to have you shutdown the operating system by > holding the power button. That is a hardware related issue. If you try > that while running Windows it would give you an error message when you > rebooted. > To shut down you can either use the option in the menu or run: poweroff > or run: shutdown -h > Pushing the power button, as opposed to holding it, is an ACPI event that is trapped. The action is controlled by /etc/acpi/events/powerconf. That defaults to running /etc/acpi/actions/power.sh. That script checks to see if a power manager is running. If so, the event is passed to the power manager. Is not, the system runs the shutdown command. Now, depending on what desktop you are running, you set what you want to happen by setting the action in the power manager setup. (This is under System Settings -->Power in Gnome.) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9iBysACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR9BgCbBZn5R3zpVpzOW6x9MLfd2UwK afgAn0leHiVoFjvpY8Kzly+hbndZnRia =dlGy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Battery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2012 03:47 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> It is not for conditioning the battery. It is to update the battery >> calibration. > > Most do this at boot so if Robert did a full power reset he should be fine. There is no need to run a utility or manually run the battery down. > > Older, Ni-Cad, laptops did have calibration utilities in their BIOS. No longer the case with Li-On. How do they calibrate on boot? I know they can read the battery status on boot, or battery change, but that is just getting a report from the circuit in the battery. The circuit in the battery needs a power cycle to recalibrate. Now, Ni-Cads did not have or need this circuit, as they have a predictable voltage curve, so you can check the status by checking the battery voltage. Lithium-Ion batteries do not experience a voltage drop until they are almost dead. So you can not determine the battery status by reading battery voltage. You have to ask the battery about its state. This circuit in the battery is the reason you have to go through extra steps when rebuilding a Li-Ion battery pack to get full performance. Some (most?) of the battery circuits remember the last battery curve even after removing the power. So you have to tell the chip to delete the saved battery state, and recalibrate for the new batteries. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9eankACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRHewCbB8cpMo5PDd8leU127L2Ui0iu hr8Aniwvdai7aFsfpHPoHq9JzoCna3ql =pbJl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Battery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2012 03:23 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> Now with the new battery, how with Fedora, am I going to run down the >> battery? I don't see that IBM has a Linux utility for this, oddly >> enough... > > Those types of battery conditioning are no longer required on the latest lithium ion units. Now... old NiCD are a different story. It is not for conditioning the battery. It is to update the battery calibration. I admit that my newest laptop is about 5 years old, but the user's manual says to do it once a month. It also advises not to leave the laptop plugged in when not in use. I believe this is because the charger tends to short cycle the battery charge - once it gets below 100%, it charges it right away, as compared to the newer charging circuits that let it drop to 95% before charging. One thing to keep in mind with lithium batteries is that there is a chip inside that tells you how much charge the battery has. You can not base it on battery voltage, because the voltage remains the same for most of the charge, with a drop at the end of the charge. But as the battery ages, it does not hold as much of a charge. If you do not discharge and recharge the battery, the battery condition circuitry never gets updated with the current battery life. One other thing I have seen recommended is to remove the battery if you are going to be running on AC most of the time. You put the battery back in about once a month to recharge it from storage losses. It does require that the laptop be able to run without the battery. I do not know if any current laptops use the battery as a filter capacitor to keep the supply voltage constant... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9eXhwACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQxpACfUudqw3iVf+4u1IPTGHFmfLdP 7HcAnjrSP5YpElQ8QOWwVXvje6T4c4Nw =VQI7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Battery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2012 03:13 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 03/12/2012 09:46 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Sorry for the late response. This is normally covered in the user's >> manual. What you do is first fully charge the battery. Then you >> unplug the power and let the system run down until it does an >> automatic shutdown. Then you charge it up again. Some systems come >> with a utility that runs the battery down, so you do not have to >> worry about your OS shutting the system down too soon. > > I did this when I first got the unit. And it SEEMed to run fine for 2 months with few power offs. > > And it was working just fine a couple weeks ago. My practice is friday afternoon to suspend then shut off on the powerstrip (turning the KVM, switch, AP and other sundries off). Saturday night I would power up and have 80% power left. It seems that two weekends ago, it when blewy, as it cold booted that saturday night. I fought with it all week and then on friday realized I had a battery problem. > > Now with the new battery, how with Fedora, am I going to run down the battery? I don't see that IBM has a Linux utility for this, oddly enough... > > It is usually a DOS or BIOS utility. I remember it being included with one Thinkpad I had. You normally do not want to do this from Linux or Windows, because the hard drive is not unmounted properly. I will have to see it The Ultimate Boot CD has the utility. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9eWzcACgkQqbQrVW3JyMS88ACbBaKB5cenbrf+MKRUgWCk8I26 +JkAn0E4YOY1xSnFVWWgn5LN0kxHaZXb =vK8O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Battery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > On 03/10/2012 04:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> On 03/10/2012 08:41 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> It sounds like a bad battery. At least I have had the same thing >>> happen in both Linux and Windows when a battery was going bad. Also, >>> if you do not cycle the battery, the chip that monitors battery life >>> in the battery does not get updated to the current battery life, so >>> it ends up reporting the battery state incorrectly. (The chip is in >>> the battery, not the computer.) >> >> How do I get the battery to cycle? It HAS been a long time since a REAL poweroff (number of reboots). Also I have not run the battery down for a long time. Really not since I got the system back in Jan... I bet I am past my 90 day warranty... >> >> Sorry for the late response. This is normally covered in the user's manual. What you do is first fully charge the battery. Then you unplug the power and let the system run down until it does an automatic shutdown. Then you charge it up again. Some systems come with a utility that runs the battery down, so you do not have to worry about your OS shutting the system down too soon. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9eUoYACgkQqbQrVW3JyMT+2ACaAqtj8Vu2033NHE88m2ty44pb W1cAn3pv/ttykb5rML7BbgD4TtSuqT14 =RMFW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange message at startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/10/2012 06:09 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Currently I'm running KDE with the Desktop Environment set to Gnome as follows: /etc/sysconfig/desktop does not exist and the window manager, which is set on the login screen and remembered after setting, being KDE. Things work properly except for the first login screen after a boot. jon Just so we are all using the same terms, the programs that brings up the login screen is the Display Manager. What you get after you log in is the desktop environment or window manager, depending on what you run. KDE and Gnome are examples of a desktop environment. I do not know about KDE, but you can run Gnome on top of a couple of different window managers. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9cBA4ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQ8kgCggRQIroMepo48GKj37i5CaQbz xDsAn0HeOHF19MYca3wNqrLXJjAkheuk =Nb/Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Battery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/10/2012 07:19 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Lenovo x120 running FC16. > > I just noticed friday when I unplugged to go into suspend for the sabbath, that the system was reporting only 1 hour on my battery, and then only 30 min so I plugged back in and suspended without turnning off the powerstrip (so that the battery was on charge). The system light went orange, then very quickly to green. > > This evening, I took it out of suspend and tried unplugging and again right away it showed only an hour. So I plugged it back in. The battery icon reported 4% available and the system light was orange. When the system light turned green, the battery icon reports 70% charged, and still does. > > I am traveling tomorrow morning to IEEE 802 meeting so I have no time to take this to a repair place of contact the mailorder (B&H) where I got it. > > Is this the sight of a bad battery, or is fc16all hosed wrt the battery level > > > It sounds like a bad battery. At least I have had the same thing happen in both Linux and Windows when a battery was going bad. Also, if you do not cycle the battery, the chip that monitors battery life in the battery does not get updated to the current battery life, so it ends up reporting the battery state incorrectly. (The chip is in the battery, not the computer.) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9cAqoACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQBvACfTvXIPgKFgPmZM9HPkbIyoj6l Nc4An3PnN83ZL9GlMtxAhIVy0MZotxCu =8Ma9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: synchronize time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/08/2012 05:08 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 09:37 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> >> That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes sure the >> discussion stays on the list. > > I understand but sometimes it would be useful to reach someone directly > and not to take my frustration. Tim has every right to hide behind a > no-reply address, but lets be clear he is hiding. Well, it that is hiding, then not posting your phone number as part of your signature is hiding as well. Personally, I just ignore most personal email from the list, unless something that catches my interest, or it is a slow day. The exception if people I have indicated that I welcome private messages from. Tim takes a more direct approach by indicating in he email address that he will ignore messages to the address he uses for posting to the list. I have considered it, but a kill filter works for my needs. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9ZS0gACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRABACeL58si0WY+axUwTwaekEuBXhS dnwAnAvfI2WBi97PUYpLVojebVi+/oNc =9B+D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange message at startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/08/2012 05:04 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > You are right but changing the desktop environment is what OP seems to want to do. No - he wants to change the Display Manager, because he is getting a blank background and an error message from the display manager. Because he is using KDE as his desktop, he wants to use KDE for his display manager as well. That will probably take care of the error message. It is partially covered up by the login block, but we suspect that it is complaining about missing thyme files. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9ZSc4ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRZTACbBvlpEy7rtZA/x98idP69O+5v Dj4An3P6mKZHZkj3K9nMBc9d+KO7lXYG =J8oO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2012 02:00 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You can do it using iwconfig. You can also do it by using the >> network service instead of NetworkManager. You should have both >> options available with a minimal install. > > iwconfig may work for WEP, but what about WPA(2)? The man page says that passphrases are not supported. That is what wpa_supplicant is for. wpa_cli may also be useful. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9X6HgACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTWmwCggzpEcl0/3ra3QjbBB9dhAXxJ rzsAn0genVtaj2RXo8/G/DCoja7lrIZy =jRA0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange message at startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2012 12:14 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > When Fedora puts up the first login screen after system startup, the screen is black except for the login area which shows the names of the users who might want to log in, and a message partly blocked by the login area which says: > > A problem h[]dministrator. > > The bar at the top of the screen showing the date at the center and three controls at the right is missing. > > There is (obviously) some problem that I should attend to, but it's not clear what it is. > > Any suggestions about what's happening or how to view the message? > > Thanks - jon > It sounds like the selected theme has a problem. But we would need to know the display manager you are using, (kdm, gdm, or xdm) before giving you the steps to fix it. The error message probably shows up in the logs in /var/log or /var/log/(display manager) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9XsNYACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQmnwCeJ0MBstguVHIAR5AJ7xgKvTQl WYkAnR/RXTVNQPw9fxrATUIHdfMwLmbN =SVJE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2012 12:07 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> Just playing with minimal install: I was able to install minimally. >> Question: how do I switch on wireless? > > NetworkManager cannot connect to WEP/WPA type access points from a command-line. You must have a GUI (X+Gnome/KDE) installed. You can do it using iwconfig. You can also do it by using the network service instead of NetworkManager. You should have both options available with a minimal install. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9Xr5YACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTCjACdH4ayoo0xwMqgaP9oKIgAAa8l tdcAn0+U+GXS+5y2wMsKTn/Fg5S+XW4q =BQ+K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: synchronize time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2012 08:32 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > I don't know why I keep responding to you. I said that cups browsing > does not work if you don't set UTC. Over and over that is what I said. > Both the hardware and system clock were set correctly which was why it > took so long to find the problem. That is because the problem was with how you had the clock set. Cups browsing will work without setting UTC if the hardware clock is set to local time, and you have the system time zone set correctly. That way, the system clock is set correctly to UTC. You will run into problems if the hardware clock is set to local time, and you set UTC, or if the system time zone setting is wrong. If you do not have the time configuration set properly, you will have problem with other programs besides CUPS. It is not a CUPS specific problem. It is a system configuration problem that affects CUPS browsing. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9WJQAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQS8QCdGLDN2V6h5Xlr1/7ZnVyRZrXD wMoAn0RihSTmaSje/lOMPS3qp+wecgYF =aWNu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problem with su -
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2012 09:55 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > The only way you can get a prompt containig root is by using su - . > su will only produce a root prompt by starting as root. It it not > posible to do this: > > [bobg@box6 ~]$ su > Password: > [root@box6 bobg]# > > So what are you really doing? > [mikkel@x86 Foster]$ su Password: [root@x86 Foster]# -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9U4sMACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRS6ACeNKjnshZqXGuokzO/SgezwfH+ k14AnRw2m26afEXtnKhodkAEZK0SxPZE =6nNf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problem with su -
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2012 09:16 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > I am not sure what you really want to do, but if you want to become root you need to execute su - not su. No, both methods will change your user to root. The - makes the shell a login shell. (man su) Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9U4I8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQI4QCeIww1YdJtrnPT4As4MENYG4vi 9KkAn00WaPRbRXUx4g0/21R8pK3QIjvt =icNI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/04/2012 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/04/2012 12:26 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You also used to run into a problem with some older BIOS where you >> needed a /boot partition at the start of the disk to be sure the >> BIOS could read it... > > In fact, this is the main reason for a separate /boot partition. Once the BIOS code was updated to handle larger drives there wasn't any need for it. It depended on the file system you used for /. Grub has problems with LVM and some file systems. There are ways to get around it, but it is easier to maintain a /boot partition. There are still BIOS problems with larger drives. It is just that the size limit has changed, and how the BIOS react has also changed in some cases. It is always fun when the BIOS freezes when trying to get info from a large drive. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9T2XAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSJLgCfSzorwuaIe8onSns3y4f1dZjp nqYAnAlwizOxifn6wz6UIuvYu7sQIn0P =E8kX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/04/2012 02:13 PM, Peter Larsen wrote: > The boot flag did before grub have a meaning, but since legacy grub came around (even lilo if I remember right) it's also being ignored. You have to be careful about the boot flag. The BIOS may requite the boot flag before it will try and boot from the drive. It usually does not have to be the partition you actually boot from, unless your boot loader is installed in the boot record of the partition, and there isn't one in the MBR. (Again, this is BIOS dependent.) You also used to run into a problem with some older BIOS where you needed a /boot partition at the start of the disk to be sure the BIOS could read it... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9Tz+UACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSMxACeIM9jrPcrZA45cv970UbDdxeO Yl0An1/3AgltptbTpChqr6UBkgqx42E5 =mAsv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: synchronize time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/2012 11:19 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 03.03.2012 17:50, schrieb Mikkel L. Ellertson: >> >> On 03/03/2012 10:13 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >>> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock >>> was set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the >>> UTC box in system-config-date was not checked. Result was cups >>> browsing did not work properly and ntpd would crash shortly after >>> starting >> >> ntpd would not really crash - it would exit with an error because >> the time difference was too great > > and the practical difference is? > An error message in the logs about why it exited. It makes it much easier to troubleshoot why it quit. Besides, a program crash indicates bad programming, while an error exit shows the programmer provided for this possibility. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9ScB8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRbwwCfVSU+Xrp+36Yr7lJQi0InXHcq 14IAniq6NlBHeznlbhbxerJ+OZoApT0i =mfpc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: synchronize time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/2012 10:13 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock was set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the UTC box in system-config-date was not checked. Result was cups browsing did not work properly and ntpd would crash shortly after starting. ntpd would not really crash - it would exit with an error because the time difference was too great. Mikkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9SS8gACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQrpwCfYkJ43dwT4ZQ6ftqlTgmsFFI4 Hz8An0SBQFwX97t6kVHSxpxBNSQmNIkn =tnR0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Bizarre kernel messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/2012 09:42 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:03:06 + > Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> I said the stream was "endless", but that doesn't appear to be the case. >> It seems to be running now every couple of minutes for 20 seconds or so. > > Must be re-initializing for some reason. On my system here I plugged > in the USB wi-fi an hours ago, and that's the only copy of the CRDA > stuff that appears in the log. Dumb question - if this is a USB dongle, what happens if you plug it into another port? It may be that the dongle is drawing too much power for the port it is plugged into, and the port is resetting itself. Especially if you are using a bus-powered hub. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9D4YQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTHaACeIT8emJ5/+CQQOaEPbkp4C1T6 cpYAnj+IiSuWyyeqPXHdZIDCXVX8Iyfo =VqEA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
