Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 17, 2014 3:10 PM, "Jim Lewis"  wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 2014 7:32 PM, "Jim Lewis"  wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>   Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
> >> Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
> >> now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
> >> there by default before.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Lewis
> >>
> >
> > Out of curiosity, what are you considering "the default" here?
> >
> > --Pete
> >
>
> Hi Pete,
>
>Probably a poor choice of words on my part. "By default" to ME means
> not having to install gcc, Java, LibreOffice, wget, strace, etc., and
> fix things like Firefox associations (which I don't yet know how to
> do). The installs of Fedora 1 through 14 made sense (didn't use 15 and
> 16 because of Gnome 3). Versions 17-20 made sense as well. It's
> possible the Fedora-Server-inst ISO would have been what I wanted if it
> hadn't failed during the install.
>
>   I just had some good luck. Installed the RPM Fusion files and have xmms
> working with mp3 files. Now to see if Flash is going to work ...
>
>
> Jim Lewis
>

Okay, I thought it might be something like that :)  There is of course no
'Jim' or 'Pete' package set on any install media, but I'll share a trick:
use the `show-installed` utility.  It can create a list of packages for you
to feed to yum after install, or create a kickstart format for use during
install.

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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Jim Lewis

> On Dec 16, 2014 7:32 PM, "Jim Lewis"  wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>   Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
>> Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
>> now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
>> there by default before.
>>
>>
>> Jim Lewis
>>
>
> Out of curiosity, what are you considering "the default" here?
>
> --Pete
>

Hi Pete,

   Probably a poor choice of words on my part. "By default" to ME means
not having to install gcc, Java, LibreOffice, wget, strace, etc., and
fix things like Firefox associations (which I don't yet know how to
do). The installs of Fedora 1 through 14 made sense (didn't use 15 and
16 because of Gnome 3). Versions 17-20 made sense as well. It's
possible the Fedora-Server-inst ISO would have been what I wanted if it
hadn't failed during the install.

  I just had some good luck. Installed the RPM Fusion files and have xmms
working with mp3 files. Now to see if Flash is going to work ...


Jim Lewis


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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jim Lewis  wrote:
>
>
> > It's a problem with the entire website. There's a bad line of code in the
> > header:
> >
>
>   Yes, I had already used wget, that's why I said it looked intentional. I
> was mainly trying to find the Fedora 21 full install DVD, but I now
> understand that it is no longer provided.


I got feedback from one of the fedora web people that this is an
intentional thing with the intent  to discourage the use of
fedoraproject.org in favor of getfedora.org as the primary website.

I think it could have been handled more gracefully.

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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 16, 2014 7:32 PM, "Jim Lewis"  wrote:

> >
>
>   Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
> Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
> now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
> there by default before.
>
>
> Jim Lewis
>

Out of curiosity, what are you considering "the default" here?

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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Jim Lewis

> It's a problem with the entire website. There's a bad line of code in the
> header:
>
>  https://getfedora.org";>¬
>
> which redirects everyone back to the main page. I've emailed the webmaster
> with details.
>
> BTW, you can use wget to download the page and find the links you need
> from
> there. That's how I found the problem.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jim Lewis  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  When I go to the above mentioned link I can see the page for a second
>> or
>> two, then it throws me into https://getfedora.org. It looks to be
>> intentional. Happens on all my systems (including Fedora 21), and are
>> all
>> running relatively new versions of Firefox. Can anyone else get to that
>> page (and stay on it)?
>>
>>
>> Jim Lewis

Hi Ted,

  Yes, I had already used wget, that's why I said it looked intentional. I
was mainly trying to find the Fedora 21 full install DVD, but I now
understand that it is no longer provided.

Jim Lewis


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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-17 Thread Ted Roche
It's a problem with the entire website. There's a bad line of code in the
header:

 https://getfedora.org";>¬

which redirects everyone back to the main page. I've emailed the webmaster
with details.

BTW, you can use wget to download the page and find the links you need from
there. That's how I found the problem.


On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jim Lewis  wrote:
>
>
>  When I go to the above mentioned link I can see the page for a second or
> two, then it throws me into https://getfedora.org. It looks to be
> intentional. Happens on all my systems (including Fedora 21), and are all
> running relatively new versions of Firefox. Can anyone else get to that
> page (and stay on it)?
>
>
> Jim Lewis
>
>
>
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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lewis

> On 12/17/14 10:31, Jim Lewis wrote:
>>   Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
>> Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
>> now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
>> there by default before.
>
> FWIW, the full (4.5GB) install DVD is no longer produced.  The closest you
> could come would be to use the "net install" ...
>
> You can get that from this page...
> https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
>
> It will then allow you to select your "Base Environment" and "Add-ons".
>

  My actual steps were this:

 - Burn and install Fedora Workstation. Found it totally useless for me.

 - Burn and install Fedora-Server. Same thing, not even a GUI.

 - Burn and install Mate-Compiz. Not bad, at least close what I used to
get with a full install.

 - The Fedora-Server-inst ISO is mentioned (just like you have) so I find,
burn, and begin to install it. I am very happy, I can choose Mate, and it
looks like I am finally going to get a good install. I then get stopped
by Bug 1130550, which looks like something to do with httrack which I
think is in the Security package (not sure of my facts here). I
investigate, and attempt to install again this time without as many
Add-ons. The install goes a whole lot farther, but when I come back to
check on it the laptop is dead, except for the Caps Lock light which is
blinking about twice a second (never seen that before). I might assume
that the Screensaver came on causing this issue, but why that is not
disabled during an install just baffles me (along with a lot of these
other decisions).

   I had wiped out my Mate-Compiz install to try "inst" but since it
seemed to work I went back to it. Have a lot of it configured (I can
even scan, whooo h!), but keep running into missing packages and
features. I guess I took these things for granted with a full install.


Jim Lewis


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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/17/14 10:31, Jim Lewis wrote:
>   Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
> Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
> now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
> there by default before.

FWIW, the full (4.5GB) install DVD is no longer produced.  The closest you 
could come would be to use the "net install" ...

You can get that from this page...  https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/

It will then allow you to select your "Base Environment" and "Add-ons".


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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lewis

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:10:27 -1000
> "Jim Lewis"  wrote:
>
>>
>>  When I go to the above mentioned link I can see the page for a
>> second or two, then it throws me into https://getfedora.org. It looks
>> to be intentional. Happens on all my systems (including Fedora 21),
>> and are all running relatively new versions of Firefox. Can anyone
>> else get to that page (and stay on it)?
>>
>> Jim Lewis

>
> Wow.
>
> I can confirm that it does throw me to getfedora.org almost instantly.
> I'm using Chromium on F20.
>
> If you are looking to download a Fedora spin, this appears to work:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
>
> ~ Ondra
>

  Yes, when I couldn't find the full install DVD I settled for the
Mate-Compiz spin and have been configuring it for the last few days. I
now have to manually install a whole lot of packages that were just
there by default before.


Jim Lewis
512-797-3049
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Re: Won't stay on this page http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options

2014-12-16 Thread Ondřej Majerech
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:10:27 -1000
"Jim Lewis"  wrote:

> 
>  When I go to the above mentioned link I can see the page for a
> second or two, then it throws me into https://getfedora.org. It looks
> to be intentional. Happens on all my systems (including Fedora 21),
> and are all running relatively new versions of Firefox. Can anyone
> else get to that page (and stay on it)?
> 
> 
> Jim Lewis
> 
> 
> 

Wow.

I can confirm that it does throw me to getfedora.org almost instantly.
I'm using Chromium on F20.

If you are looking to download a Fedora spin, this appears to work:
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

~ Ondra
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