Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component
Hello, I'm interesting by the subject. How to integrate JSON with Tap5 in a nice way. For the moment I'm using http://oss.metaparadigm.com/jsonrpc/ to communicate between Java Applets and WebApps. But I didn't integrate it in Tapestry ; I'm using the JSonRpc Servlet and share objects with WebApps using SpringFramework. It would be nice to get Tapestry managing JSonRpc calls. I'm new with Tapestry, and Java in general, so I could not bring any idea about the way to do this. But I can participate to the discussion and make some tryies. cyrille Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : It would be great if a JSON component could be created for T5. After some extensive research i feel that this feature really would add a ton of flexibility of how your tapestry application can communicate with other tapestry application running on a network. For example my company needs to split up our monstrous application now consisting of about 700 to 1000 pages, and and a few thousand components. We are branching off our sub applications to run as there own independent application. The ability to allow these separate application to talk to each other is very ambigious, meaning that we need to transfer data via http sessions or via a db. with the implementation of JSON we could easily setup a java component service which could allow another tapestry application to request data from another server by giving it the domain, app name, and service name (what you wanna look up) due to JSON 's extreme flexibility and speed, tapestry applicatiosn powered by JSON could allow our application to talk to and interact with pretty much any other application coded in any modern language. wether it be another web application or backend process, or even a desktop application. i believe that JSON would be a better langauge versus say XML becuase its parser is faster, and its easier to intrepret in human language. JSON is also a more superior way to handle AJAX requests rather then using XML streams. (smaller size, and faster to parse) just a thought. ~evan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component
it really wouldn't be that hard. basically you would create a java class to generate your RPC calls and internally within your java app it would share data via java objects. i believe they would be serialized so you could easily access and share them. the bulk of the work would be having the tapestry java component generate the resource location on the fly when an external service is invoked. Kinda like how AJAX invokes an XML document on the fly. i completely forgot about applets. We dont usually use them at work so i always forget. go figure. Anyways, the ability to easily allow applets to communicate with a java backend running on a servcer would be amazing powerful. forexample, you could use your applet to handle only UI data and other smaller processes which the client side could handle. have it communicate directly with a java app running on the backend which could be hooked up to a mainframe or network which could be used to massive rendering jobs or datamining. a possible use of this integration would be a realtime, high resolution rendering of say a molecule, CAD drawing, or 3d animation accesable from the web. The server could process the rendering and outputs the frames to a dir, you could have the applet pick up the frames via JSON (IE. passing the applet the URI of the rendered frames, then have the applet sequence them. A fbig enough mainframe could even cahce the rendered frames and map them to a URI. This could open up tapestry with the ability to program and host say a Web based 3d rendering program such as Maya or something. The possibilities are endless. ~evan - Original Message - From: #Cyrille37# [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component Hello, I'm interesting by the subject. How to integrate JSON with Tap5 in a nice way. For the moment I'm using http://oss.metaparadigm.com/jsonrpc/ to communicate between Java Applets and WebApps. But I didn't integrate it in Tapestry ; I'm using the JSonRpc Servlet and share objects with WebApps using SpringFramework. It would be nice to get Tapestry managing JSonRpc calls. I'm new with Tapestry, and Java in general, so I could not bring any idea about the way to do this. But I can participate to the discussion and make some tryies. cyrille Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : It would be great if a JSON component could be created for T5. After some extensive research i feel that this feature really would add a ton of flexibility of how your tapestry application can communicate with other tapestry application running on a network. For example my company needs to split up our monstrous application now consisting of about 700 to 1000 pages, and and a few thousand components. We are branching off our sub applications to run as there own independent application. The ability to allow these separate application to talk to each other is very ambigious, meaning that we need to transfer data via http sessions or via a db. with the implementation of JSON we could easily setup a java component service which could allow another tapestry application to request data from another server by giving it the domain, app name, and service name (what you wanna look up) due to JSON 's extreme flexibility and speed, tapestry applicatiosn powered by JSON could allow our application to talk to and interact with pretty much any other application coded in any modern language. wether it be another web application or backend process, or even a desktop application. i believe that JSON would be a better langauge versus say XML becuase its parser is faster, and its easier to intrepret in human language. JSON is also a more superior way to handle AJAX requests rather then using XML streams. (smaller size, and faster to parse) just a thought. ~evan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component
I spoke about Java Applet, but we can think about Macromedia Flash too. Flash is a really nice technology. If JSon is implemented in Tapestry like every great Tapestry designs, it should be very easy to add more protocols !! cyrille. Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : it really wouldn't be that hard. basically you would create a java class to generate your RPC calls and internally within your java app it would share data via java objects. i believe they would be serialized so you could easily access and share them. the bulk of the work would be having the tapestry java component generate the resource location on the fly when an external service is invoked. Kinda like how AJAX invokes an XML document on the fly. i completely forgot about applets. We dont usually use them at work so i always forget. go figure. Anyways, the ability to easily allow applets to communicate with a java backend running on a servcer would be amazing powerful. forexample, you could use your applet to handle only UI data and other smaller processes which the client side could handle. have it communicate directly with a java app running on the backend which could be hooked up to a mainframe or network which could be used to massive rendering jobs or datamining. a possible use of this integration would be a realtime, high resolution rendering of say a molecule, CAD drawing, or 3d animation accesable from the web. The server could process the rendering and outputs the frames to a dir, you could have the applet pick up the frames via JSON (IE. passing the applet the URI of the rendered frames, then have the applet sequence them. A fbig enough mainframe could even cahce the rendered frames and map them to a URI. This could open up tapestry with the ability to program and host say a Web based 3d rendering program such as Maya or something. The possibilities are endless. ~evan - Original Message - From: #Cyrille37# [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component Hello, I'm interesting by the subject. How to integrate JSON with Tap5 in a nice way. For the moment I'm using http://oss.metaparadigm.com/jsonrpc/ to communicate between Java Applets and WebApps. But I didn't integrate it in Tapestry ; I'm using the JSonRpc Servlet and share objects with WebApps using SpringFramework. It would be nice to get Tapestry managing JSonRpc calls. I'm new with Tapestry, and Java in general, so I could not bring any idea about the way to do this. But I can participate to the discussion and make some tryies. cyrille Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : It would be great if a JSON component could be created for T5. After some extensive research i feel that this feature really would add a ton of flexibility of how your tapestry application can communicate with other tapestry application running on a network. For example my company needs to split up our monstrous application now consisting of about 700 to 1000 pages, and and a few thousand components. We are branching off our sub applications to run as there own independent application. The ability to allow these separate application to talk to each other is very ambigious, meaning that we need to transfer data via http sessions or via a db. with the implementation of JSON we could easily setup a java component service which could allow another tapestry application to request data from another server by giving it the domain, app name, and service name (what you wanna look up) due to JSON 's extreme flexibility and speed, tapestry applicatiosn powered by JSON could allow our application to talk to and interact with pretty much any other application coded in any modern language. wether it be another web application or backend process, or even a desktop application. i believe that JSON would be a better langauge versus say XML becuase its parser is faster, and its easier to intrepret in human language. JSON is also a more superior way to handle AJAX requests rather then using XML streams. (smaller size, and faster to parse) just a thought. ~evan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component
thanx for bringing that up. flash would be really nice as well, that could expand alot of the UI. however i really think AJAX is gonna take over flash as more and more things are discovered which you can do with AJAX. flash is kewl, but its also plugin dependent where as AJAX works on any JS compliant browser. ive been in the process of writing my own flash data stream to handle content via parameters, but a JSON implementation would be much more superior as you can grab whatever data from any tapestry external JSON service you have created on your application. i suppose in a way JSON would also allow for any other future technologies to be easily plugable into an existing tapestry application without the need for serious UI overhaul. this talk abotu flash gives me the proposal of creating a flash only UI, and have a tapestry application running on the backend handling all DB queries, scheeduled jobs, or any other processor intense process. you could even have tapestry manage all of your flash resources and call the resources directly withi flash via JSON. I could really see this open up a new scope for the scalbility of flash applications. typically now you are limited to the base size of your flash application. meaning if you have to many resources in your flash movie it will take forever to download and run. whereas you could have tapestry manage your backend and resources and have flash call whatever resources it needs on the fly. this could be quite powerful. i mean you can do this already, but the frameworks are which can handle this aren't as robust and easy to use as tapestry is. tapestry is also pretty fast and efficent at managing resources, along with your httpsession. this could really extend flash technologies to a new level. evan - Original Message - From: #Cyrille37# [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component I spoke about Java Applet, but we can think about Macromedia Flash too. Flash is a really nice technology. If JSon is implemented in Tapestry like every great Tapestry designs, it should be very easy to add more protocols !! cyrille. Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : it really wouldn't be that hard. basically you would create a java class to generate your RPC calls and internally within your java app it would share data via java objects. i believe they would be serialized so you could easily access and share them. the bulk of the work would be having the tapestry java component generate the resource location on the fly when an external service is invoked. Kinda like how AJAX invokes an XML document on the fly. i completely forgot about applets. We dont usually use them at work so i always forget. go figure. Anyways, the ability to easily allow applets to communicate with a java backend running on a servcer would be amazing powerful. forexample, you could use your applet to handle only UI data and other smaller processes which the client side could handle. have it communicate directly with a java app running on the backend which could be hooked up to a mainframe or network which could be used to massive rendering jobs or datamining. a possible use of this integration would be a realtime, high resolution rendering of say a molecule, CAD drawing, or 3d animation accesable from the web. The server could process the rendering and outputs the frames to a dir, you could have the applet pick up the frames via JSON (IE. passing the applet the URI of the rendered frames, then have the applet sequence them. A fbig enough mainframe could even cahce the rendered frames and map them to a URI. This could open up tapestry with the ability to program and host say a Web based 3d rendering program such as Maya or something. The possibilities are endless. ~evan - Original Message - From: #Cyrille37# [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: T5 : potential feature - JSON component Hello, I'm interesting by the subject. How to integrate JSON with Tap5 in a nice way. For the moment I'm using http://oss.metaparadigm.com/jsonrpc/ to communicate between Java Applets and WebApps. But I didn't integrate it in Tapestry ; I'm using the JSonRpc Servlet and share objects with WebApps using SpringFramework. It would be nice to get Tapestry managing JSonRpc calls. I'm new with Tapestry, and Java in general, so I could not bring any idea about the way to do this. But I can participate to the discussion and make some tryies. cyrille Evan Rawson - Work a écrit : It would be great if a JSON component could be created for T5. After some extensive research i feel that this feature really would add a ton of flexibility of how your tapestry application can communicate with other tapestry application running on a network. For example my company needs
