Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Goga777 wrote: >> >> eventually abandon xinelib. At the moment I just press a button on my >> >> remote to switch between xbmc and vdr-sxfe so I can have the best of >> >> both worlds. > > would you like to describe more details your installation - xbmc and vdr > please > > Goga > Hi. I'm trying to do just that. A separate install for vdr and xbmc. No integration for me now, since the plugins functionality is lost. A few methods are described here - http://www.xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=47560. Perhaps Magnus can say for sure what method he uses. Cheers Cris ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Morfsta wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM, VDR User wrote: >> I should note that even though I did give it a try, I never intended >> to replace VDR with it regardless of the test results. I am a VDR >> loyalist. :) > > I too have tried Myth on a number of occasions and have found it > unwieldy and slow, not sure why its so popular, perhaps because of the > flashier interface. That's definitely is a part of it. I know former VDR users who switched to myth for that very reason. Now that VDR has support for hdtv, it's finally getting an osd overhaul as well (maybe coming in 1.7.9?), which will be 24bit iirc. We'll finally be able to have a high color/high resolution osd as well, which I'm hoping will spawn peoples interest in making some really great skins and so on. Most tv stations it seems offer their logos in high color/high res as well. I know Klaus prefers to focus more on stability then things like candy enhancements but I think he realized this is something users really wanted to see implemented now that hdtv support is present. And with so many users investing in things like inexpensive vdpau-supported video cards over overly expensive 'full featured' dedicated cards, it's a logical enhancement to make to bring VDR up-to-speed visually. One thing I would like to see in the future is a solid server/client solution for VDR. That is the other and probably biggest reason users have abandoned VDR in favor of myth. Yes there are things like streamdev or xbmc+vdr, etc.. But those options are either too limited or too much hassle. It would be great if we could just set one software (VDR) up and keep things lean. I don't think this is something we'll see any time soon, if at all. But then a lot of people said the same thing about support for hdtv and an awesome osd. :) Cheers, Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM, VDR User wrote: > I should note that even though I did give it a try, I never intended > to replace VDR with it regardless of the test results. I am a VDR > loyalist. :) I too have tried Myth on a number of occasions and have found it unwieldy and slow, not sure why its so popular, perhaps because of the flashier interface. I currently have an ehd but have also just invested in a nvidia 9400, to begin fiddling with VDR + XBMC but as usual I never get really great results from using X11 based output, even with VDPAU and temporal-spatial de-interlacing. It never seems to be up to the same quality as a dedicated output card like the eHD, or FF TT card before it. That said, I haven't done the XBMC + VDR bit yet, just tried using vdr-xine and xinelibout which just don't cut it. :-( Right now I have ehd on one HDMI input for the TV with LIRC remote control and X11 desktop with XBMC on the other output with mouse control. Would be nice to eventually have all of it on one output with just LIRC control for it all, but right now it serves me well with good quality output and stability. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr
2009/8/20 Magnus Hörlin : > Yes, it has limitations but given the low power consumption it's still > impressive. The ION runs fine with advanced deinterlacer for 576i and > temporal for 1080i. A 9500GT can do advanced on 1080i but for me it's not > worth the extra heat and space. I have the computer on the back of my TV. > http://www.minhembio.com/magho You have the setup I'm looking to get soon. I want to be able to transmit video + 7.1 sound over HDMI, do you know if your ION can do this? From the screenshots I've seen, the difference between temporal and spatial-temporal deinterlacing isn't enough to warrant using a regular size pc (which I have now sitting behind my tv) over the much much smaller & power not-hungry ION. Temporal should suit my wants just fine. -Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
I too have tried mythtv and found it to be a big bloated slow piece of crap. It seems to be a bunch of odds & ends slapped together rather then a solid dvb app built from the ground up. Not impressed with it at all. I should note that even though I did give it a try, I never intended to replace VDR with it regardless of the test results. I am a VDR loyalist. :) Cheers, Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] Weird problem with lirc and vdr-sxfe
I have ubuntu installed and all vdr stuff comes from repo. It has worked well but suddenly the remote started to act weird. Most of the time all works well but sometimes it seems like vdr-sxfe or lirc starts to buffer keypresses so that first nothing happens when I push a button on the remote but on the next button push vdr reacts on the first push. So it is like one push behind. I can fix this by restarting lirc. Most of the times it will not come back on the same night but it may. I do not recall any installation at the time the problems started. I even tried to do all updates what ubuntu suggested but it had no impact. Has anyone had similar problems ever? What should I check first? Could not find anything on the logs. Could I use lirc with vdr (no lirc=/dev/null) instead of vdr-sxfe (without --lirc). I have tried but seems like I can not get vdr to respond to remote. Can it be done this way? BR \\Kartsa ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
> >> eventually abandon xinelib. At the moment I just press a button on my > >> remote to switch between xbmc and vdr-sxfe so I can have the best of > >> both worlds. would you like to describe more details your installation - xbmc and vdr please Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 18:44 +0200, Magnus Hörlin wrote: > Goga777 wrote: > > > Oh no, I will NEVER abandon VDR. I have tried myth twice and I wasn't > impressed. Ah, I have to butt in here with my Myth rant. I too tried Myth, but for me it has a critical flaw -> channel zapping... it takes several seconds to change channel. The myth 'community', aware that it takes many seconds, told me that I am doing it wrong -> the user is supposed to choose something from the programme guide and then switch to it. That alone kills Myth as a TV interface :/ Myth might be pretty to look at, but VDR is super-functional :) gdh ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
Seppo Ingalsuo wrote: Magnus Hörlin wrote: Of course it has limitations, it's a very young project. But it's progressing very fast and I think, given some time, that I will eventually abandon xinelib. At the moment I just press a button on my remote to switch between xbmc and vdr-sxfe so I can have the best of both worlds. Can a single vdr server have multiple independent xbmc clients? BR, Seppo ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr Yes, that's the nice part since it uses streamdev. For me that's the main reason I'm interested in it. /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
Goga777 wrote: Of course it has limitations, it's a very young project. But it's progressing very fast sure and I think, given some time, that I will eventually abandon xinelib. and vdr too ?:-) Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr Oh no, I will NEVER abandon VDR. I have tried myth twice and I wasn't impressed. /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
> Of course it has limitations, it's a very young project. But it's > progressing very fast sure >and I think, given some time, that I will > eventually abandon xinelib. and vdr too ?:-) Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
Magnus Hörlin wrote: Of course it has limitations, it's a very young project. But it's progressing very fast and I think, given some time, that I will eventually abandon xinelib. At the moment I just press a button on my remote to switch between xbmc and vdr-sxfe so I can have the best of both worlds. Can a single vdr server have multiple independent xbmc clients? BR, Seppo ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
Goga777 wrote: > So how do you set timers or lookup EPG etc in XBMC is there a plugin on XBMC to make it appear like VDR frontend? I do all that in vdr-sxfe but there's a lot of work being done to use xbmc as a vdr frontend here: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45314 /Magnus but xbmc-pvr has a lot of limitation as vdr-frontend - it can't control of vdr plugins and vdr settings, go to osd vdr menu, to use vdr plugins (femon, channellist,...) have a look please http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=376056&postcount=344 Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr Of course it has limitations, it's a very young project. But it's progressing very fast and I think, given some time, that I will eventually abandon xinelib. At the moment I just press a button on my remote to switch between xbmc and vdr-sxfe so I can have the best of both worlds. /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] xbmc-pvr (was - HD clients for vdr)
> So how do you set timers or lookup EPG etc in XBMC is there a plugin > > on XBMC to make it appear like VDR frontend? > > > > I do all that in vdr-sxfe but there's a lot of work being done to use xbmc > as a vdr frontend here: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45314 > /Magnus but xbmc-pvr has a lot of limitation as vdr-frontend - it can't control of vdr plugins and vdr settings, go to osd vdr menu, to use vdr plugins (femon, channellist,...) have a look please http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=376056&postcount=344 Goga ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För Theunis > Potgieter > Skickat: den 20 augusti 2009 09:28 > Till: VDR Mailing List > Ämne: Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr > > On 19/08/2009, Magnus Hörlin wrote: > > Hi Goga. No, it's not available in xbmc. For some reason xineliboutput > has > > never worked as well for HD as xbmc does. > > /Magnus > > > > So how do you set timers or lookup EPG etc in XBMC is there a plugin > on XBMC to make it appear like VDR frontend? > I do all that in vdr-sxfe but there's a lot of work being done to use xbmc as a vdr frontend here: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45314 /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För Theunis > Potgieter > Skickat: den 20 augusti 2009 10:00 > Till: VDR Mailing List > Ämne: Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr > > On 19/08/2009, Magnus Hörlin wrote: > > Well, my ION board with 9400m does temporal deinterlacing of 1080i HDTV > > just fine in xbmc. The question was about the best silent solution and a > > computer with just an Atom and a 9400 requires a lot less cooling than > > something with a discrete graphics card. > > /Magnus H > > On http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU it indicates that the 9400M has > limitations: > Advanced (2x, Hw) used for <= 720, Temporal 2x HW or Advanced 1X HW for > > 720 > > Where as Nvidia ion - GeForce 9400. Zotac IONITX-C reports: Works > great even w/ single core atom. No fans. 20W power draw. > > Can you confirm that you don't experience the same problems as with > the GeForce 9400GT/M ? > > Thanks, > Theunis > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.61/2312 - Release Date: 08/19/09 > 18:06:00 Yes, it has limitations but given the low power consumption it's still impressive. The ION runs fine with advanced deinterlacer for 576i and temporal for 1080i. A 9500GT can do advanced on 1080i but for me it's not worth the extra heat and space. I have the computer on the back of my TV. http://www.minhembio.com/magho /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr
On 19/08/2009, Magnus Hörlin wrote: > Well, my ION board with 9400m does temporal deinterlacing of 1080i HDTV > just fine in xbmc. The question was about the best silent solution and a > computer with just an Atom and a 9400 requires a lot less cooling than > something with a discrete graphics card. > /Magnus H On http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU it indicates that the 9400M has limitations: Advanced (2x, Hw) used for <= 720, Temporal 2x HW or Advanced 1X HW for > 720 Where as Nvidia ion - GeForce 9400. Zotac IONITX-C reports: Works great even w/ single core atom. No fans. 20W power draw. Can you confirm that you don't experience the same problems as with the GeForce 9400GT/M ? Thanks, Theunis ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD clients for vdr
On 19/08/2009, Magnus Hörlin wrote: > Hi Goga. No, it's not available in xbmc. For some reason xineliboutput has > never worked as well for HD as xbmc does. > /Magnus > So how do you set timers or lookup EPG etc in XBMC is there a plugin on XBMC to make it appear like VDR frontend? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
