Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
I'd like to copy this (with a bit of editing) into the vlog wiki FAQ, Andrew - with your permission. URL: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Vlogosphere_FAQ#Mailing_List_Conversation:_A_History Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - Road Node 101 http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - community http://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature . - Original Message - From: andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit! But the user experience is what counts: The number one reason why is because Quicktime files have a fast start that works much better and much, much, much faster than windows buffering. Number two, QT videos are scrollable to a greater resolution. Number three, QT videos are jumpable with much less latency. Number four, QT video have interactive capability such as hyperlinking, SMIL, pinging, chapter tracks, text tracks, meta-data containers, etc. On Sep 26, 2005, at 1:13 AM, dsdietzel wrote: Ummmno it's not. Excellent results are obtainable with either compression scheme. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2005, at 6:17 PM, dsdietzel wrote: The notion that the user experience and video quality of QuickTime videos is superior to Windows Media Format simply is not true. Yes it is. Quicktime is far superior as matter of fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:34:31 +0200, dsdietzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really taken aback at how sensitive the subject of QuickTime can be with some users. I think QuickTime is a fine option for the delivery of content. The notion that it is somehow superior is simply not true. Andrew has already pointed out the reasons why Quicktime is a much better format than WMV. But we can talk codecs too. I'm by no means one of these experts that can get the perfect result no matter which codec I use - and neither are 99.99% of all videobloggers! I know that if I use WMV (ie. Window Media 9 codec) then I get a very poor result at low datarates (in the 20 KB/sec range) compared to Quicktime (ie. 3ivx codec). The Quicktime file has a sharper image, while the WMV is artifact hell. Videoblogging isn't HD TV - it's about good results at low datarate. With Quicktime I can deliver that - with WMV I can't. That comes in addition to all the cool advantages Andrew outlined. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
It IS correct, though, isn't it, that if you have a Mac you can't view wmv files? Or is that not true?You can, Bev. You download the windows media player for the Mac. There's also a plugin for the quicktime player that lets you view wmv movies in quicktime. Its just not as integrated as most other things are in the mac - playing a quicktime movie on a mac is a very basic function. Also, it isn't easy to compress files to WMV using the normal mac editing tools like final cut pro or compressor - you need special software to do it. And some older movies that were compressed under .AVI format (the old standard for PC) you can't play on a mac, because the various players don't want to pay the rights to use old compression formats. If you make a program like Quicktime, you have to license all the various technologies from a whole bunch of different companies.Actually, do you guys have to do that with ANT etc? How does that work?b-Brett Gaylor[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.etherworks.ca SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
� wrote: andrew michael baron wrote: ... but at last check, their software only exported to windows compatible streaming media You can output to Real Media which can run on a Mac. I would just make sure you are happy with that limited audience solution. Whether you like Windows or not, it is the operating system on something like 92% of home and office computers. Hardly a limited audience. :D The audience of my videoblog started out with more Mac users (early adopters, folks on this list) but is now seeing more Windows users. Still, the Mac audience now is about 2/3 the size of the Windows audience, so that's pretty close. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
Not true. You can view most WMV files on a Mac. But I agree it's not superior to Quicktime. You can't even scrub thru content in WMV, that bugs the crap out of me. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, BevSykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not exactly sure how WMV is the least friendly format in terms of sharing and colloboration. It IS correct, though, isn't it, that if you have a Mac you can't view wmv files? Or is that not true? -Bev Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
BevSykes wrote: I'm not exactly sure how WMV is the least friendly format in terms of sharing and colloboration. It IS correct, though, isn't it, that if you have a Mac you can't view wmv files? Or is that not true? If you're lucky you can view them. In another thread I mentioned how I often have problems viewing wmv files on my Mac. QuickTime mov files always work, while wmv files sometimes work... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
You can view wmvs on mac (although some have told me that the wmv player for Mac is crap). WMVs are not bad, it's just that the platform tries very hard to keep the user out of the guts of the video ... You can however, for example, download the WM Encoder tool and play around with the compression settings and even add scripting to open up certain urls at certain points in the video ... but nobody does this and those of us who have tried eventually end up shouting out some string of curses at Microsoft and giving up. All that being said ... as a windows user I've had some really ugly experiences with quicktime too. It's basically arguing religion and people get all worked up over some ability that the other format probably can do (even if it normally / easily doesn't) or issue that each probaly has (provided you are usingthe right... or wrong ...OS). I publish WMVs at the moment (and make no claim of them being high quality or low file size). I've thought of publishing MOVs as well ... but with all my codecs installed and following all the instructions we've seen in this thread ... half the time my MOVs just flat out fail to export correctly and the other half the file size is no smaller than WMVs. (Note: I'm not saying QT can't do it better, I'm saying me as a fairly savy windows user can't seem tomake it do so). Eventually I'm gonna try again and find out what I did wrong, but if I ever do publish MOVs it will likely be along side WMVs as well. On 9/26/05, BevSykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not exactly sure how WMV is the least friendly format in terms of sharing and colloboration. It IS correct, though, isn't it, that if you have a Mac you can't view wmv files? Or is that not true? -Bev YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
Hi Bev, I have a mac with WMP installed and i can see your videos fine. markus BevSykes wrote: I'm not exactly sure how WMV is the least friendly format in terms of sharing and colloboration. It IS correct, though, isn't it, that if you have a Mac you can't view wmv files? Or is that not true? -Bev -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Serious Magic and Vlogit!
Vlog It is in a smaller beta test right now and we'll be going to a larger beta test within a week or so. If you go to Vlog.com and enter your email address on the right sidebar, we'll make sure you get invited into the larger beta so you can give it a try. Vlog It publishes in Flash video, Windows Media and Real Video. The free trial version publishes in Flash video format only. We recommend Flash video for many vlogging applications because it has the highest installed base of players (over 98% of all computers according to MacroMedia) and because it has the least problems with viewers behind firewalls etc. Quicktime support is something that we're looking at for the future. Regards, --- Mark Disclaimer: I am affiliated with Serious Magic, the creators of Vlog It. Thus, you may feel free to assume that I am a faceless corporate drone with no ethics or mind of my own and that everything I say is completely biased, worthless and untrue. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, gmjoyce_y [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Anyone know what's up with the release of Vlogit! from Serious Magic? The vlog.com page seems to have not been updated for 6 months. If Vlogit! isn't available yet, does anyone have experience with their other Visual Communicator products? They look great and I'm wondering if I should go ahead and get Visual Communicator 2 Web rather than wait who knows how long for Vlogit! Thanks, Greg www.workingstiff.org www.writerinthehouse.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
