Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher

At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote:
Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve 
been told “during 50 years, you cannot contain”
Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 
times more cesium than released at Chernobyl — 
“It would destroy the world environment and our civilization…


http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html


Japanese TV program (It says to Turn on English CC) and transcript

Fukushima Dai-Ichi No. 4: An earthquake before 
spent fuel rods are moved to safe storage would be “the end”

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/fukushima-dai-ichi-no-4-an-earthquake-before-spent-fuel-rods-are-moved-to-safe-storage-would-be-the-end.html

http://www.youtube.com/v/eJi-o4F8eOo?version=3hl=en_US

The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is 
Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE, Research Associate at the 
Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University.


eg ...
I asked him “Why can’t we simply transfer them to 
another pool?” Now, let’s look at how the 
transfer is normally done. [3:20] As shown here, 
nuclear fuel rods are initially in the reactor. 
When they are spent, they are transferred to the 
spent fuel pool here.[3:28] What they do first is 
lower this giant container into the water. [3:34] 
Then the fuel rods are transferred into this 
container in the water. All of them. [3:42] Then 
they close the lid with water inside, and hoist 
the container outside. [3:48] But now, because of 
the earthquake, the crane to hoist them is not 
working any more. [3:53] Then, how are they going to transfer the fuel rods?

...



Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell

Alan J Fletcher wrote:

The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE, 
Research Associate at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University.


Koide is a long-standing outspoken opponent of nuclear power. People 
paid no attention to him before the accident. I saw one of his lectures 
on YouTube during the crisis. He seemed to have an impressive grasp of 
the situation and he was eloquent.


- Jed



RE: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Mark Goldes
Arnie Gunderson, an expert on these matters, suggests smaller cranes be used to 
lower the fuel rods to the ground on an urgent basis.

Senator Wyden has urged our government to push hard for the Japanese to greatly 
accelerate the present, totally inadequate, effort.

I've provided some additional information on the non-profit Aesop Institute 
website.

Mark

Mark Goldes
Co-founder, Chava Energy
CEO, Aesop Institute
301A North Main Street
Sebastopol, CA 95472

www.chavaenergy.com
www.aesopinstitute.org

707 861-9070
707 497-3551 fax

From: Alan J Fletcher [a...@well.com]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote:
Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve
been told “during 50 years, you cannot contain”
Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85
times more cesium than released at Chernobyl —
“It would destroy the world environment and our civilization…

http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html

Japanese TV program (It says to Turn on English CC) and transcript

Fukushima Dai-Ichi No. 4: An earthquake before
spent fuel rods are moved to safe storage would be “the end”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/fukushima-dai-ichi-no-4-an-earthquake-before-spent-fuel-rods-are-moved-to-safe-storage-would-be-the-end.html

http://www.youtube.com/v/eJi-o4F8eOo?version=3hl=en_US

The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is
Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE, Research Associate at the
Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University.

eg ...
I asked him “Why can’t we simply transfer them to
another pool?” Now, let’s look at how the
transfer is normally done. [3:20] As shown here,
nuclear fuel rods are initially in the reactor.
When they are spent, they are transferred to the
spent fuel pool here.[3:28] What they do first is
lower this giant container into the water. [3:34]
Then the fuel rods are transferred into this
container in the water. All of them. [3:42] Then
they close the lid with water inside, and hoist
the container outside. [3:48] But now, because of
the earthquake, the crane to hoist them is not
working any more. [3:53] Then, how are they going to transfer the fuel rods?
...



Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Looking at the news commentary and Sunday Morning talk shows in Japan, 
it is stunning how sharply public opinion has turned against nuclear 
power. The government is struggling to persuade local politicians and 
community groups to allow some of the ~50 shuttered reactors to reopen. 
Small town mayors have been given a veto over national energy policy. 
They are being treated like royalty in the national media and by the 
government. Power concentrated in the hands of low-level leaders is not 
unusual in Japanese politics and history. It is often said that the 
1930s war in China was instigated by low-level firebrand officers. Adm. 
Yamamoto was effectively in charge of naval operations in 1941 and '42. 
Even after the defeat at Midway, which was entirely his fault, he could 
overrule over his nominal superiors in the General Staff in Tokyo by 
threatening to resign.


People often say that Japanese politics and public opinion are stuck in 
a rut and unchanging. Because, for example, the LDP was in charge for 
decades, and recent PMs seem hapless. That isn't true. They can change 
overnight when the need arises. That should be clear from Japanese 
modern history, which includes sweeping changes during Meiji and again 
after WWII. See Cohen, Remaking Japan.


This tells me that if cold fusion emerges and it becomes generally known 
that it is real, there is likely to be strong support for it in Japan. 
The Japanese population is well educated. I am confident that many 
people there will understand the technical issues and the advantages of 
cold fusion.


Their reputation for being well educated is somewhat exaggerated in my 
experience, based on the mass media and the many stupid comments in 
blogs devoted to cold fusion. People everywhere tend to be incurious, 
and to know only what they need to know. Education in Japan is rigorous 
but not all that advanced or challenging. In my opinion, it emphasizes 
memorization too much, and things like writing a coherent essay not 
enough. Many students at elite Japanese universities take a 4-year 
vacation, whereas they bust their butts at good U.S. universities, so 
the two groups come out about the same. Still, I expect a larger percent 
of the people there will understand the advantages of cold fusion than 
in the U.S. I expect less opposition.


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
someone make an article to debunk some exagerations
http://djysrv.blogspot.fr/2012/04/argh-debunking-some-nuclear-nonsense.html


2012/4/23 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com

 At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote:

 Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50
 years, you cannot contain”
 Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than
 released at Chernobyl — “It would destroy the world environment and our
 civilization…

 http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/**04/682.htmlhttp://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html


 Japanese TV program (It says to Turn on English CC) and transcript

 Fukushima Dai-Ichi No. 4: An earthquake before spent fuel rods are moved
 to safe storage would be “the end”
 http://www.nakedcapitalism.**com/2012/04/fukushima-dai-**
 ichi-no-4-an-earthquake-**before-spent-fuel-rods-are-**
 moved-to-safe-storage-would-**be-the-end.htmlhttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/fukushima-dai-ichi-no-4-an-earthquake-before-spent-fuel-rods-are-moved-to-safe-storage-would-be-the-end.html
 

 http://www.youtube.com/v/eJi-**o4F8eOo?version=3hl=en_UShttp://www.youtube.com/v/eJi-o4F8eOo?version=3hl=en_US

 The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE,
 Research Associate at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University.

 eg ...
 I asked him “Why can’t we simply transfer them to another pool?” Now,
 let’s look at how the transfer is normally done. [3:20] As shown here,
 nuclear fuel rods are initially in the reactor. When they are spent, they
 are transferred to the spent fuel pool here.[3:28] What they do first is
 lower this giant container into the water. [3:34] Then the fuel rods are
 transferred into this container in the water. All of them. [3:42] Then they
 close the lid with water inside, and hoist the container outside. [3:48]
 But now, because of the earthquake, the crane to hoist them is not working
 any more. [3:53] Then, how are they going to transfer the fuel rods?
 ...