Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Horace Heffner]

I wrote: "Most of Florida is within a day's drive of Patterson's  
former lab location at West Palm Beach."


My memory is not good.   That should say Sarasota.

To top off that mistake, I sent this message to myself yesterday,  
instead of vortex.  I just found it.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Horace,
 I would be honored if you will read the papers labelled  NEW ENERGY on the
blog.
The first history writing is at:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-cold-fusion-history-i.html

I still have to write about my travel with Yuri Potapov in the US, my visit
and friendship with Gene Mallove, with Akira Kawasaki, my
travel to Bangkok for INTERENERGORESURS, my collaboration with Hal Fox
etc.. And now my great friendship with Franco Piantelli whom I admire as
scientist. And my sympathy for Defkalion.
Peter

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:

>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
> I will send you the story privately if you wish. I have met very
> interesting people. Have you read "My cold fusion history" I and II on my
> blog.? I intend to continue this.
> peter
>
>
> I would very much appreciate that.
>
> I haven't read those entries I and II.  I don't see them at:
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>
>
> Do you have URLs for those?
>
> I am going to Anchorage for the day, so will not respond for a while.
>
> BTW, I have been to Florida many times. It has a great highway system.
>  Most of Florida is within a day's drive of Patterson's former lab location
> at West Palm Beach, just north of Miami.  It is a great place to be in the
> winter, but a bit  too hot for me in the summer now, though I loved
> swimming in the ocean in the summer there when I was a kid.  On one visit
> to Daytona Beach in the 1950's I had the privilege of having the eye of a
> hurricane pass directly over my location.  I went outside.  It was calm and
> you could see blue sky directly above. It was a most memorable experience.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Horace Heffner]

On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:

I will send you the story privately if you wish. I have met very  
interesting people. Have you read "My cold fusion history" I and II  
on my blog.? I intend to continue this.

peter



I would very much appreciate that.

I haven't read those entries I and II.  I don't see them at:


http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Do you have URLs for those?

I am going to Anchorage for the day, so will not respond for a while.

BTW, I have been to Florida many times. It has a great highway  
system.  Most of Florida is within a day's drive of Patterson's  
former lab location at West Palm Beach, just north of Miami.  It is a  
great place to be in the winter, but a bit  too hot for me in the  
summer now, though I loved swimming in the ocean in the summer there  
when I was a kid.  On one visit to Daytona Beach in the 1950's I had  
the privilege of having the eye of a hurricane pass directly over my  
location.  I went outside.  It was calm and you could see blue sky  
directly above. It was a most memorable experience.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Peter Gluck]

I will send you the story privately if you wish. I have met very
interesting people. Have you read "My cold fusion history" I and II on my
blog.? I intend to continue this.
peter

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:

>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
> Horace,
>
> Just for your information, I was present at the foundation of the very
> first Aquafuel Company in Largo (Tampa). Santilli (a mathematician
> of genius) and Leon Toups a businessman (who after his death was declared
> a saint- his son was working at the Vatican) have bought the patent of
> Richardson- a welder.
> I have received a lesson about the American corporate spirit.
>
> Santilli has discovered that Aquafuel contains "magnecules". Long story
> not beautiful, it ended when Santilli has sued  Infinite Energy
> for not publishing a n-th paper in the frame of his endless theoretical
> dispute with an other Italian guy, Corso (?). Being an adviser I had to pay
> 12,000 US$. The trial didn't took place, fortunately.
>
>
> However nothing to learn from this story that I just sketched here
> this has happend in an other part of Florida not Miami where Rossi works.
> I have stopped at Sarasota, visiting Patterson.
>
>
> That is a very interesting anecdote Peter!   An interesting chapter in a
> checkered past for the field.  Thank you for posting it.  I would ask to
> hear more, but, given the litigious history, I can see that would be
> inappropriate.  Perhaps you would enjoy publishing it in detail
> posthumously?  8^)  Hopefully it will be in your memoirs.
>
> I recall at the time it seemed to me that pyrolysis, even if it turned out
> to not be ou, held great promise for converting pulverized garbage into
> energy.  This is an interesting coincidence, given Rossi's prior
> involvement in garbage incineration for energy and eventually in converting
> garbage into oil via the Petroldragon process.  Perhaps it would be well
> justified if the present scheme were designed to wreak revenge on the
> corrupt bureaucrats and others who gave him so much legal grief regarding
> his green technology.   I don't see how it could be focused on them,
> however.   The old story is documented, with links, here:
>
> http://blog.hasslberger.com/2011/02/italian_engineer_announces_com.html
>
> What a great movie Rossi's story would make.  His story might be worth
> millions. That might be the best revenge of all.  Rossi has sold his house
> and business, so perhaps he is prepared to move to some nice water front
> location for retirement ... or perhaps to continue work.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Horace Heffner]

On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:


Horace,

Just for your information, I was present at the foundation of the  
very first Aquafuel Company in Largo (Tampa). Santilli (a  
mathematician
of genius) and Leon Toups a businessman (who after his death was  
declared a saint- his son was working at the Vatican) have bought  
the patent of Richardson- a welder.

I have received a lesson about the American corporate spirit.

Santilli has discovered that Aquafuel contains "magnecules". Long  
story not beautiful, it ended when Santilli has sued  Infinite Energy
for not publishing a n-th paper in the frame of his endless  
theoretical dispute with an other Italian guy, Corso (?). Being an  
adviser I had to pay 12,000 US$. The trial didn't took place,  
fortunately.



However nothing to learn from this story that I just sketched here
this has happend in an other part of Florida not Miami where Rossi  
works. I have stopped at Sarasota, visiting Patterson.


That is a very interesting anecdote Peter!   An interesting chapter  
in a checkered past for the field.  Thank you for posting it.  I  
would ask to hear more, but, given the litigious history, I can see  
that would be inappropriate.  Perhaps you would enjoy publishing it  
in detail posthumously?  8^)  Hopefully it will be in your memoirs.


I recall at the time it seemed to me that pyrolysis, even if it  
turned out to not be ou, held great promise for converting pulverized  
garbage into energy.  This is an interesting coincidence, given  
Rossi's prior involvement in garbage incineration for energy and  
eventually in converting garbage into oil via the Petroldragon  
process.  Perhaps it would be well justified if the present scheme  
were designed to wreak revenge on the corrupt bureaucrats and others  
who gave him so much legal grief regarding his green technology.   I  
don't see how it could be focused on them, however.   The old story  
is documented, with links, here:


http://blog.hasslberger.com/2011/02/italian_engineer_announces_com.html

What a great movie Rossi's story would make.  His story might be  
worth millions. That might be the best revenge of all.  Rossi has  
sold his house and business, so perhaps he is prepared to move to  
some nice water front location for retirement ... or perhaps to  
continue work.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:A Pyrolysis E-Cat fake

[Peter Gluck]

Horace,

Just for your information, I was present at the foundation of the very
first Aquafuel Company in Largo (Tampa). Santilli (a mathematician
of genius) and Leon Toups a businessman (who after his death was declared a
saint- his son was working at the Vatican) have bought the patent of
Richardson- a welder.
I have received a lesson about the American corporate spirit.

Santilli has discovered that Aquafuel contains "magnecules". Long story not
beautiful, it ended when Santilli has sued  Infinite Energy
for not publishing a n-th paper in the frame of his endless theoretical
dispute with an other Italian guy, Corso (?). Being an adviser I had to pay
12,000 US$. The trial didn't took place, fortunately.


However nothing to learn from this story that I just sketched here
this has happend in an other part of Florida not Miami where Rossi works. I
have stopped at Sarasota, visiting Patterson.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:

> More on the old AguaFuel concepts, Santilli's paper:
>
> http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/**9805031v1
>
> and Nauden's old stuff:
>
> http://jlnlabs.online.fr/**bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm
>
> As coincidence would have it, some AquaFuel "cousin" companies are or were
> located in Florida.  Isn't that the state from which the E-Cat parts were
> shipped to Rossi?  In any case I think Rossi has Florida connections.
>
> The Aquafuel name was purchased from Richardson:
>
> http://aquafuelinc.com/
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/**aquafuel/aquafuel.htm
>
> but applied to a different process.
>
> It might be interesting to examine the possibility of pyrolysis being a
> feasible explanation for the E-Cat experiment excess energy.
>
> The density of graphite is about 0.6 g/cm^3.  Coal density is about 1
> gm/cm^3, about the same as water. If coal were being pyrolyzed inside the
> E-Cat its volume could be replaced with water to achieve no mass change.
> Coal has an energy density of about 35,000 kJ per kg, or 35 MJ/kg, or 9.72
> kWh/kg.  The pyrolysis of carbon coincidentally might help explain some of
> the stains inside the E-Cat.
>
> The 6 October 2011 Rossi test provided a net of 17.7 kWh, or 63.7 MJ of
> energy, according to Lewan's data:
>
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~**hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011noBias.**pdf
>
> This amounts to the pyrolysis of 63.7/35 kg = 1.82 kg of carbon, followed
> by catalytic recombination to produce CO2, over a period of about 6 hours
> requires about 300 g/hr, or 1/12 gram per second of carbon.   Using 12.01
> as the atomic weight of C, and 43.99 for CO2, that is (1/12 g)*43.99/12.01
> = 0.305 gm of CO2 per second. At 2 g/liter  that is 0.305 g/(2 g/liter) =
> 0.153 liters of gas per second.  CO2 is not very soluble in boiling water,
> so this will come out in the steam/water in gas form, unless sequestered in
> some way.
>
> Lye could be used to sequester CO2 in a nearly closed system releasing
> little or no gas.  The reaction is:
>
>  2 NaOH + CO2 -> Na2CO3 + H2O
>
> NaOH has a molecular weight of 40, so it takes 80 grams of NaOH to
> sequester 44 grams of CO2.  That amounts to 80/44 * 1.82 kg = 3.3 kg of
> NaOH that has to be contained within the 30x30x30 cm, or 27 liter, inner
> box.  With a density of 2.13 g/cm^3 the NaOH requires 3300 g/(2.13 g/cm^3)
> = 1.55 liters. The carbon requires 1.82 liters for a total of 3.37 liters
> for fuel, leaving over 23 liters, about 87% of the box, for other items.
>
> Unless I made a calculation error, which is not unlikely, pyrolysis of
> carbon appears to qualify as a mechanism for faking E-Cat tests of the
> duration actually run, even without hydrino formation, closed ou processes,
> calorimetry errors, etc.  Such pyrolysis can even be run in a closed
> system, provided some current is provided to sustain an arc, which should
> be very feasible at the high temperatures expected inside the 30x30x30 cm
> box if it contains heating elements and ceramic thermal storage.  It is
> notable that the original AquaFuel experiments produced an apparent COP of
> around 7.  If pyrolysis is an ou process, as claimed by various people the
> last decade, then a closed recycling process could of course explain
> Rossi's results in a sustainable way.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~**hheffner/
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com