Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Bill Parker]

My question is  - back-up what exactly?  

The only thing I have on my iPhone is a small collection of reference photos 
which get copied ( that’s a verb I actually understand) to my MBP and deleted 
off the phone.  The rest is a series of partly finished crossword puzzles and a 
partly read novel.
Bill

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 00:14, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.
> 
> 
> https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/
> 
> 
> It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.
> 
> If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your 
> own Google search.
> 
> cheers, Susan.
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up 
>> my iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
>> 
>> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
>> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
>> contents into iTunes. 
>> 
>> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
>> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
>> including photos and videos.
>> 
>> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
>> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
>> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
>> vice-versa.
>> 
>> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
>> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
>> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
>> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
>> the computer?
>> 
>> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
>> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
>> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Michael Hawkins]

Music, books, contact details .. Recordings 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> My question is  - back-up what exactly?  
> 
> The only thing I have on my iPhone is a small collection of reference photos 
> which get copied ( that’s a verb I actually understand) to my MBP and deleted 
> off the phone.  The rest is a series of partly finished crossword puzzles and 
> a partly read novel.
> Bill
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2016, at 00:14, Susan Hastings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.
>> 
>> 
>> https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/
>> 
>> 
>> It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.
>> 
>> If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your 
>> own Google search.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan.
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up 
>>> my iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
>>> 
>>> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
>>> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the 
>>> entire contents into iTunes. 
>>> 
>>> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
>>> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
>>> including photos and videos.
>>> 
>>> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
>>> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
>>> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
>>> vice-versa.
>>> 
>>> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
>>> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
>>> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
>>> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
>>> the computer?
>>> 
>>> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
>>> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
>>> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Susan Hastings]

Michael, this article points out that backup and sync are NOT the same, so I 
was wrong in my first email. Worth a read. Cheers, Susan.


> On 3 Jan 2016, at 5:14 PM, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.
> 
> 
> https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/
> 
> 
> It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.
> 
> If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your 
> own Google search.
> 
> cheers, Susan.
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up 
>> my iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
>> 
>> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
>> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
>> contents into iTunes. 
>> 
>> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
>> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
>> including photos and videos.
>> 
>> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
>> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
>> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
>> vice-versa.
>> 
>> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
>> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
>> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
>> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
>> the computer?
>> 
>> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
>> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
>> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Tim Law]

A backup also looks after all your settings so you can reinstate a device 
following a calamity. 

If you are comfortable not having this option, then don't worry about it. 

>>>  If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>>> 

No. The computer is the master, the iPhone the slave. 

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> My question is  - back-up what exactly?  
> 
> The only thing I have on my iPhone is a small collection of reference photos 
> which get copied ( that’s a verb I actually understand) to my MBP and deleted 
> off the phone.  The rest is a series of partly finished crossword puzzles and 
> a partly read novel.
> Bill
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2016, at 00:14, Susan Hastings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.
>> 
>> 
>> https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/
>> 
>> 
>> It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.
>> 
>> If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your 
>> own Google search.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan.
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up 
>>> my iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
>>> 
>>> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
>>> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the 
>>> entire contents into iTunes. 
>>> 
>>> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
>>> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
>>> including photos and videos.
>>> 
>>> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
>>> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
>>> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
>>> vice-versa.
>>> 
>>> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
>>> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
>>> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
>>> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
>>> the computer?
>>> 
>>> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
>>> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
>>> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Michael
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Michael Hawkins]

Thank you Susan. As you say, the decipher tools article is worth a read.

Cheers,

Michael.

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 5:02 am, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Michael, this article points out that backup and sync are NOT the same, so I 
> was wrong in my first email. Worth a read. Cheers, Susan.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 5:14 PM, Susan Hastings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.
>> 
>> 
>> https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/
>> 
>> 
>> It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.
>> 
>> If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your 
>> own Google search.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan.
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up 
>>> my iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
>>> 
>>> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
>>> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the 
>>> entire contents into iTunes. 
>>> 
>>> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
>>> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
>>> including photos and videos.
>>> 
>>> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
>>> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
>>> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the iPhone, and 
>>> vice-versa.
>>> 
>>> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
>>> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
>>> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
>>> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
>>> the computer?
>>> 
>>> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
>>> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
>>> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get 
>>> removed from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Michael,
I feel that the backup is the primary thing when syncing.
You can choose wether to backup to iCloud or to Mac ( I have chosen to Mac).

I have created an Album in Photos called “iPhone” and have ticked that as the 
one to Sync.
I have also created a Playlist in iTunes called “iPhone” for music and have 
ticked that as the one to Sync.

I select and make changes to the above Album and Playlist manually by dragging 
and dropping when I feel the need.
I may be a little “old fashioned” but I feel that I have control of what 
happens by doing things this way.

However I have Contacts & Calendars ticked to Sync via iCloud simply because 
this is easier and fully automated.
Contacts & Calendars are set up on the iPhone rather than trough iTunes.


> On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:57 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up my 
> iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
> 
> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
> contents into iTunes. 
> 
> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
> including photos and videos.
> 
> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
> vice-versa.
> 
> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
> the computer?
> 
> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get removed 
> from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
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Backup or sync iPhone?

[Michael Hawkins]

I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up my 
iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 

I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
contents into iTunes. 

I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
including photos and videos.

I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from the 
computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in iTunes 
from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and vice-versa.

Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from the 
computer?

And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they aren't 
on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. If I sync 
my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get removed from my 
computer if they're not on the iPhone?

Cheers,

Michael
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Michael, here is a link to a discussion about backing up and syncing the 
iPhone and computer. Basically, when syncing your iPhone, its is backed up 
first. You have a choice of syncing music, photos, etc. You will be given these 
options when you attach your phone.

There are other discussion pages as well on this topic. I found them using 
Google.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2766292?tstart=0

cheers, Susan.
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up my 
> iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
> 
> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
> contents into iTunes. 
> 
> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
> including photos and videos.
> 
> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
> vice-versa.
> 
> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
> the computer?
> 
> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get removed 
> from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
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Re: Backup or sync iPhone?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Michael, I also found another article which takes you through all of it.


https://deciphertools.com/blog/2015_01_27_itunes_sync_vs_backup_ensure_data/


It is a step by step guide similar to what Ronni would give you.

If neither of these threads make sense to you its possible to just do your own 
Google search.

cheers, Susan.

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm a tad confused about the advantages and differences between backing up my 
> iPhone and syncing my iPhone. 
> 
> I avoid technological clouds  of any description as much as I can, and so I 
> assume if I backup my iPhone I plug it in to my computer and save the entire 
> contents into iTunes. 
> 
> I also assume that if I lose or destroy or break my iPhone somehow, I can 
> download to the replacement iPhone the content saved on my MacBook Pro, 
> including photos and videos.
> 
> I think that if I sync my iPhone to my computer, all I do is transfer from 
> the computer to the iPhone photos that aren't on the iPhone and content in 
> iTunes from he computer to the iPhone that isn't in the IPhone, and 
> vice-versa.
> 
> Syncing: What happens to music I've got on my computer, that I didn't buy 
> through iTunes? By law I'm allowed to copy a cd I have bought. Does it get 
> transferred to my iPhone when I sync the phone with he computer or, if it's 
> music get is not on the iPhone, does syncing mean that it gets removed from 
> the computer?
> 
> And how do photos fare? I've got hundreds of photos on the computer they 
> aren't on the iPhone, and dozens on the iPhone that aren't in the computer. 
> If I sync my iPhone  with the  computer  does it mean that photos get removed 
> from my computer if they're not on the iPhone?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
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Re: upgrading older mbpro and needing some help

[Chris Burton]

Hi Ronni

Thanks very much for your great advice on this, I have found it quite
frustrating, as I havnt done a lot of upgrades of the past years, so it is
a steep learning curve!!

Do you think that Yosemite may be a better upgrade to my MBPro3.1 rather
than El Capitan as you say it might not run that well?

Or perhaps I should just do an upgrade to Snow Leopard and leave it at that
for my daughter

Best regards

Chris

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I'm on leave and unable to help at this time, other than my comments in
> Situ below.
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 10:39 AM, Chris Burton  wrote:
>
> HI Wamuggers
>
> Following on from my first post 10 days ago, to which Ronni replied with
> her advice, I have begun the upgrade process Ronni outlined, on one of my
> earlier MBPro machines (MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 15"
> )
>  which
> is running OSX 10.4.8.
>
>
> If this is a 2006/2007  *MacBookPro2,2* the maximum OS it can run is *OS
> X 10.7.5 *
> OS X 10.4.8 was its original install so it has never been upgraded.
>
>
> The App store and a few other sites say to upgrade to El Capitan requires
> Snow Leopard (10.6.8) to be installed.
>
>
> The link I sent in my previous reply gave details Under the "How to
> Upgrade" tab - that OS X Snow Leopard version 10.6.8 was required.
> And -"Mac computers introduced in 2009 and later, and some models
> introduced in 2007 and 2008, can be upgraded to El Capitan."
> 
>
>
> Try as I may all yesterday, I was unable to install my DVD copy of SL
> (which came with my MBPro I now use (MBPro8,2 2011))?
>
>
> Is this is the DVD that came with the MacBook Pro as the original system
> installation disk? It probably is only able to reinstall on that computer.
> You require a Retail Snow Leopard DVD.
>
>
> As previously mentioned, my other machine is MBPro3,2 running OSX 10.5.8
> which I now find out that it too needs SL 10.6.8 to be upgraded to El
> Capitan and my version of SL does not work on this machine either.
>
>
> You mentioned below that this was a MacBookPro3,1
> Which was Introduced in June 2007.  It is listed capable of running OS X
> 10.11.2 but I'm not sure how well it will run with specs 2.2GHz & only 3GB
> RAM?
>
>
> I see that I have to purchase SL from Apple for about $20 even though I
> already have it on a DVD!!
>
>
> If it isn't the Retail version, you would need to purchase it at
> 
>
>
> This is becoming a bit annoying and Im wondering is there a way that I can
> actually use my DVD SL copy somehow to upgrade both my older MBPros?
> Perhaps in target mode?
>
> Many thanks for any advice on this.
>
> Best regards
>
> Chris
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Chris Burton 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much for your advice Ronni, it is great to hear from you.
>>
>> I wish you a wonderful christmas and upcoming new year
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> You must Erase the MBP and a do a clean install of OS X.
>>> If you want to install El Capitan OS X 10.11
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>- MacBook Pro  
>>> (Mid/Late
>>>2007 or newer)
>>>
>>> At least 2 GB of RAM (more preferred) and more than  8 GB of storage
>>> space also are required for OS X El Capitan. Specific feature support
>>> 
>>>  varies,
>>> though.
>>> Otherwise you will have all sorts of permissions problems and
>>> incompatible software.
>>> Search WAMUG mailing list for instructions I've posted many times.
>>>
>>> I'm on a break and have limited access to my technology.
>>> If you want help from me, you will have to wait until I get back to work.
>>> Others might be able to help you.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>>
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Dec 2015, at 2:37 PM, Chris Burton  wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope you are all having a wonderful christmas.
>>>
>>> My daughter is down from Perth and said would like to have one of my
>>> older MBPro laptops and I am wondering what I need to do to change the
>>> admin from my details to hers, and suddenly realised that involves quite a
>>> lot of work!!
>>>
>>> I think it would be best for me to do a erase and clean install so that
>>> she can start from scratch; would that be the best thing to do?
>>>
>>> The machine I think is 2009 vintage, with 2.2ghz Core 2 Duo with 3gb
>>> ram, a 200gb HD and running 10.5.8.
>>>
>>> Its identifyer is MacBookPro 3,1