Re: [wdvltalk] Flash alternatives
Thanks for the info.. Ross Clutterbuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd concur to a degree that an all-Flash site is probably not the way to go for most clients, especially if you have to learn Flash as you go, but on a personal level I would actively encourage you to dive and give it a go because Flash is a long way away from the "fancy intro and overkill animation" monstrosity everybody loved to hate a few years back, and if put into the right hands it really is flipping the bird to a lot of its critics and naysayers: • Actionscript is built on the same ECMA spec as Javascript so you can jump in and figure a lot out quickly if you have any previous JS experience • Flash accessibility with version 8 covers a good deal of bases (Flash 9 is set to be even better) and doesn't seem to be too hard once you know your way around Flash (although I've not had time to have a proper go at it yet) • It's more than just "pretty" - data-driven and data-heavy applications are just as viable as animations (I'm adding the finishing touches to a v1 Flash-PHP content management system as we speak and I'm pretty excited to be honest!) • Flash video kicks the crap out of any other web video format not only in terms of quality and file sizes, but also ease of delivery - no codecs to worry about it's all delivered through the Flash Player • Google can read and index Flash content if you create it properly (and there are rumours that Yahoo! is close to doing it too) To be entirely honest, I don't have a problem with all-Flash sites and similar rich media experiences and it's not going to be very long before all these accessibility and SEO problems are going to be worked out. And when it's viable, everybody's going to want them. It was the same with Flash intros - everybody wanted them because "they look cool" and "everybody else has them" - so I say get a head start. And don't both with anything other than the full, real-deal Flash. Personally, I really don't like these Flash-content creators as they always seem to be one-trick ponies, geared purely towards animation or rudimentary interactivity with no control of what happens under the hood (Adobe LiveMotion anybody?) aimed at the bottom end of web "designers" who think because they can type words into FrontPage they are "professional". Flash 9's out pretty soon and under £328 for the standard Flash 8 is good value I reckon (and £575 for the Professional aint bad either). Yeah, I like Flash :P MOU � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Flash alternatives
I'd concur to a degree that an all-Flash site is probably not the way to go for most clients, especially if you have to learn Flash as you go, but on a personal level I would actively encourage you to dive and give it a go because Flash is a long way away from the "fancy intro and overkill animation" monstrosity everybody loved to hate a few years back, and if put into the right hands it really is flipping the bird to a lot of its critics and naysayers: ⢠Actionscript is built on the same ECMA spec as Javascript so you can jump in and figure a lot out quickly if you have any previous JS experience ⢠Flash accessibility with version 8 covers a good deal of bases (Flash 9 is set to be even better) and doesn't seem to be too hard once you know your way around Flash (although I've not had time to have a proper go at it yet) ⢠It's more than just "pretty" - data-driven and data-heavy applications are just as viable as animations (I'm adding the finishing touches to a v1 Flash-PHP content management system as we speak and I'm pretty excited to be honest!) ⢠Flash video kicks the crap out of any other web video format not only in terms of quality and file sizes, but also ease of delivery - no codecs to worry about it's all delivered through the Flash Player ⢠Google can read and index Flash content if you create it properly (and there are rumours that Yahoo! is close to doing it too) To be entirely honest, I don't have a problem with all-Flash sites and similar rich media experiences and it's not going to be very long before all these accessibility and SEO problems are going to be worked out. And when it's viable, everybody's going to want them. It was the same with Flash intros - everybody wanted them because "they look cool" and "everybody else has them" - so I say get a head start. And don't both with anything other than the full, real-deal Flash. Personally, I really don't like these Flash-content creators as they always seem to be one-trick ponies, geared purely towards animation or rudimentary interactivity with no control of what happens under the hood (Adobe LiveMotion anybody?) aimed at the bottom end of web "designers" who think because they can type words into FrontPage they are "professional". Flash 9's out pretty soon and under £328 for the standard Flash 8 is good value I reckon (and £575 for the Professional aint bad either). Yeah, I like Flash :P MOU ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Flash alternatives
Great advice. I'll mention that to my clients and make sure it's what they really want. Thanks --- Cheryl Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SwishMas has a much, much lower learning curve than Flash but I would be doing my best to talk any client of mine out of a Flash website. Using Flash for extra bits is one thing but a full Flash site unless they are willing to pay for full accessible Flash (something that has a much steeper learning curve and I'm not sure is even possible with SwishMax) since otherwise too many people and most search engines will not be able to use the site at all. Usually mentioning that Google can't follow links in Flash files without the considerable extra expense of accessible Flash usually stops the idea of an all Flash site in its tracks. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Picture question
SwishMas has a much, much lower learning curve than Flash but I would be doing my best to talk any client of mine out of a Flash website. Using Flash for extra bits is one thing but a full Flash site unless they are willing to pay for full accessible Flash (something that has a much steeper learning curve and I'm not sure is even possible with SwishMax) since otherwise too many people and most search engines will not be able to use the site at all. Usually mentioning that Google can't follow links in Flash files without the considerable extra expense of accessible Flash usually stops the idea of an all Flash site in its tracks. Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com - new forums: http://forum.by-expression.com Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com -Original Message- From: Hoenig, Robert Has anyone had experience using SwishMax for creating flash files? I've got a couple clients looking for flash websites but I don't have the money or the knowledge to buy flash. As much as I want to learn it I don't have the time. Any recommendations on SwishMax or any other Flash creation utility would be great. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Picture question
Has anyone had experience using SwishMax for creating flash files? I've got a couple clients looking for flash websites but I don't have the money or the knowledge to buy flash. As much as I want to learn it I don't have the time. Any recommendations on SwishMax or any other Flash creation utility would be great. thanks robert � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Picture question
Sunshine - you have sunshine? I'm so jealous. I'm trying to decide if I want to put on some boots and head off to Starbucsk (I'd rather head to the pub but then I really would not get any work done) or throw some logs I the fireplace and move over near it. BTW, its good to see you posting again. Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com - new forums: http://forum.by-expression.com Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com -Original Message- From: Franni Vincent I've just paid the taxman & delivered all the damn forms - yes it's that time of year here, and I'm going to reward myself by taking the rest of the afternoon off & taking the dogs out for a run... well, the dogs will be running, I will be wandering along behind enjoying the sunshine. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Picture question
I guess there's little you can do about the decor in the view of the restaurant, talk about 'busy'... but one thing I can suggect is blowing the dust off the photos before you scan, plus taking some glass/window cleaner on a soft cloth & polishing the scanner bed. Both will help leave you much less to do in cleaning up the background! I do think rescanning at a higher res will help... The cake - I don't know what other people think, but I'd suggest first getting rid of whatever is in the left hand background, it's a very quick job with clone tool/airbrush in photoshop, so it should be in your graphics package too & if the client's willing, cropping & axing the satellite cakes - another good reason for rescanning at higher res to give yourself some wiggle room . Then you really need to adjust the levels so you can actually see the midtones in the yellow flowers properly & the texture & shadows on the icing - at the moment they're completely washed out, & just doing this will improve the picture hugely. Give it a go! Then we're onto sharpening/blurringat the moment the focus is on the fabric in front of the cake, rather than the cake so I'd say a little of both necessary to bring up what you want the spotlight on BUT - All this of course is down to the photographs you've been given, and chargeable to the client because you can spend a LONG time on this. I reckon if they won't pay, then better scanning is the most they can expect of you - better advise them to get a good photograph taken. It might pay you to team up with a good local photographer whose work you could recommend in future? I've just paid the taxman & delivered all the damn forms - yes it's that time of year here, and I'm going to reward myself by taking the rest of the afternoon off & taking the dogs out for a run... well, the dogs will be running, I will be wandering along behind enjoying the sunshine. Franni Okay. I posted the pics online here: http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/testpics.htm. I put the actual sized pictures below with smaller versions on top so you can see what I am aiming for. I realize that I need to clean up the background in them but any other feedback would be appreciated. Thanks, Riva Franni Vincent wrote: hi Riva, If you have the original photos, you shouldn't have a problem - no, scratch that, your ONLY prob should be the quality of the photos I recall only too clearly having to remove in photoshop the litter which a client was too stupid/idle to sweep away before taking the photo (unfortunately couldn't fix the faces of his sales staff!) But as someone (ross?) said earlier, scanning the originals at a higher resolution's going to be your best bet. Why don't you upload one & give us the URL so we can have a look at it? Franni The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
