RE: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Bravo Michael. Ezlinx.net, Inc. Jack Weinberg 69 Public Square, 14th Floor Wilkes-Barre, PA 18701 ph: 1-866-439-5469 1-570-823-9804 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Erskine Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:08 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale? Matt; This is going to be a bit rough but I feel the need to call a this as I see it. You are running roughshod on a lot of people with your fear mongering and it needs to be called into the open. So... In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of optionsfrom taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but ... ... but you most certainly do sound like a vulture ... What makes you such an authority on CALEA, Matt? What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table that give credence to the fear that you are mongering on this list? Purchasing compliance does not constitute authoritative knowledge. Most ISPs will be able to satisfy the CALEA requirements for less than $200.00. Yep, that is what I said. When the WISPA Standard gets blessed, and I did say when, there will be an open source implementation. It will provide safe harbor and it will run on low end hardware. Having had the personal experience of working with the LEAs a number of times since about 1990 I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my dismay at the egregious misinformation and negative speculation you have posted on this list. CALEA compliance is only going to be a problem for those WISPs who refuse to do due diligence in coming to compliance. Honestly Matt, what you have demonstrated on this list is that you have a talent for fear mongering and then exploiting the poor gullible people who bought into that fear mongering. Mind you that is only my opinion, but I am keeping it. I strongly encourage anyone who is currently in fear of CALEA to just go reread the FAQ. Read it critically, ensure that you have filed your documents thru Kris to the FBI. Then relax. The FBI is working very well with the committee. Progress is being made very quickly on a tough problem. Just relax people. Don't make a stupid mistake based upon pure horse hockey and spin which only serves to benefit those who would exploit your fear. If you want to sell, don't let CALEA compliance be any part of your decision. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
I don't think the final 5.4 GHz test procedures were available 6 months ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz Cisco AP1242's have been doing this for at least 6 months. John Mike Hammett wrote: Redline has a certified product released. Orthogon is about to have theirs out. Anyone else? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
I saw some FCC certs for Cisco gear in 5.4 ghz, but I bet theyre for indoor use. Outdoor ptmp cert gear has yet to be seen Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz Cisco AP1242's have been doing this for at least 6 months. John Mike Hammett wrote: Redline has a certified product released. Orthogon is about to have theirs out. Anyone else? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Michael Erskine wrote: What makes you such an authority on CALEA, Matt? What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table that give credence to the fear that you are mongering on this list? Purchasing compliance does not constitute authoritative knowledge. For one, we are actually CALEA compliant. Getting there required understanding the requirements, speaking with our attorney, and working with our vendors. We did this months ago as a necessary and timely thing to knock out. Since that time we have watched people who aren't compliant act as authorities on the subject. So back at you... What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table? BTW, working experience with LEAs doesn't mean much since CALEA as it is being applied to ISPs is entirely new and no one has experience with it. Most ISPs will be able to satisfy the CALEA requirements for less than $200.00. Yep, that is what I said. When the WISPA Standard gets blessed, and I did say when, there will be an open source implementation. It will provide safe harbor and it will run on low end hardware. Having had the personal experience of working with the LEAs a number of times since about 1990 I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my dismay at the egregious misinformation and negative speculation you have posted on this list. CALEA compliance is only going to be a problem for those WISPs who refuse to do due diligence in coming to compliance. Today is May 9th and your discussing a standard that doesn't exist and hasn't be approved. What happens to all the ISPs waiting on WISPAs standard come Monday? Should they just be non-compliant and wait for your solution? Further, while you are dismayed why don't you point out what misinformation and negative speculation I have posted. Honestly Matt, what you have demonstrated on this list is that you have a talent for fear mongering and then exploiting the poor gullible people who bought into that fear mongering. Exactly how? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Mike, Somehow, after speaking with 5 of the Mediation companies, including the only one to date that has actually done monitoring with the FBI, I don't think $200 will be a solution. The problem is that most people get their (dis)information from lists from people like me, Matt, and Marlon - all third hand (in court they call this hearsay). Yet no one wants to speak with a lawyer about this... it surprises me. Then I remember that this is the ISP industry, known for burying its head in the sand and using the H.O.P.E. strategy. Mike, I tried to check the references for the people who wrote the FAQ. Uh. You guys have no more experience than Matt or me or Marlon. I have spoken with the DOJ and the FCC. You say they give Guidance. I say that they will vaguely answer your questions and tell you to re-read the CALEA Order and CFR. The problem is not the data capture for broadband. That is the Easy part. It is the chain of evidence piece. The securing the data. The transparency to the perp and your staff. The transferring the data cleanly to the LEA. File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. Then if ever given a court order, follow the plan to the letter. Even the TTP only does so much. And is not liable. This isn't one of those issues you can scan and worry about later, unless you have worked with LEA (like Matt) or have 100% business clients. Because let's face it, most subpoenas are going to be for someone's home. It would be a rare instance when someone would be sitting at the office downloading child porn or planning a crime. Is there FUD? Sure. Why? Mainly because no one wants to take the time to do their own Due Diligence or talk to an Authority. They want the Cliff Notes from the list. No such thing in this case. Are there WISP's for sale? Oh yeah. Before the CALEA thing. But a couple I have spoken with want out now more than before. So is it a good time to buy? Sure. Is Matt a vulture? He comes off a little brusque, but if people want to execute an exit strategy, he is offering a path. Hey. Who's to say that your $200 CALEA plan won't result in millions in fines? Can you guarantee that, Mike? I doubt it. Can Open CALEA with all the resources of Merit Networks? Nope. Can any of the TTP's? Maybe Verisign or Neustar. So file your plan. It's due before Monday (5 copies). Go to a meeting and talk with a CALEA expert or Attorney. Stop getting legal advice from amateurs like us. If there is enough interest, I can get Chris Savage's law firm to do another QA tele-seminar or maybe Kris Twomey will do one. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Michael Erskine wrote: Matt; This is going to be a bit rough but I feel the need to call a this as I see it. You are running roughshod on a lot of people with your fear mongering and it needs to be called into the open. So... In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but ... ... but you most certainly do sound like a vulture ... What makes you such an authority on CALEA, Matt? What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table that give credence to the fear that you are mongering on this list? Purchasing compliance does not constitute authoritative knowledge. Most ISPs will be able to satisfy the CALEA requirements for less than $200.00. Yep, that is what I said. When the WISPA Standard gets blessed, and I did say when, there will be an open source implementation. It will provide safe harbor and it will run on low end hardware. Having had the personal experience of working with the LEAs a number of times since about 1990 I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my dismay at the egregious misinformation and negative speculation you have posted on this list. CALEA compliance is only going to be a problem for those WISPs who refuse to do due diligence in coming to compliance. Honestly Matt, what you have demonstrated on this list is that you have a talent for fear mongering and then exploiting the poor gullible people who bought into that fear mongering. Mind you that is only my opinion, but I am keeping it. I strongly encourage anyone who is currently in fear of CALEA to just go reread the FAQ. Read it critically, ensure that you have filed your documents thru Kris to the FBI. Then relax. The FBI is working very well with the committee. Progress is being made very quickly on a tough problem. Just relax people. Don't make a stupid mistake based upon pure horse hockey and spin which only serves to benefit those who would exploit your fear. If you want to sell, don't let CALEA compliance be any
RE: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Man, go easy on the guy. His intentions, whether good or bad, was that of a capitalist. Here is my big hangup on this: It would be a two way negotiation, give these so-called VULTURE VICTIM'S the benefit of the doubt that they would have half a brain to know if they are getting screwed. They can walk away just as easy as Matt could retract his offer. It's called due dilligence. The bottom line is this: 1. If someone views CALEA as such a burden and they are incapable of doing the due diligence themselves and are so easily convinced that the sky is falling and that they want out, then Matt's offer would be welcome news. 2. If that's not the case, I am sure a conversation with Matt about fair market value, or PARTNERSHIP oppurtunities for your orginazation wouldn't hurt either. As far as him exploting these people, it appeared to me that it was an open offer to all companies looking for an exit, not JUST because of CALEA. If you do not fall into one of the top two categories then do YOUR due diligence in finding your delete key. From what I have gathered and read, Matt is doing some pretty neat things in our industry. He also seems to be willing to take the time to actively participate in these lists, I've learnt a couple things from him reading his posts. Don't bother replying to me or attacking me, just remember who the real enemy is, and that for sure isn't your fellow WISP. We as people and as companies are all good at something, if we could just stop attacking each other and work together, man, immagine what we could do. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale? Bravo Michael. Ezlinx.net, Inc. Jack Weinberg 69 Public Square, 14th Floor Wilkes-Barre, PA 18701 ph: 1-866-439-5469 1-570-823-9804 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Erskine Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:08 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale? Matt; This is going to be a bit rough but I feel the need to call a this as I see it. You are running roughshod on a lot of people with your fear mongering and it needs to be called into the open. So... In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of optionsfrom taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but ... ... but you most certainly do sound like a vulture ... What makes you such an authority on CALEA, Matt? What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table that give credence to the fear that you are mongering on this list? Purchasing compliance does not constitute authoritative knowledge. Most ISPs will be able to satisfy the CALEA requirements for less than $200.00. Yep, that is what I said. When the WISPA Standard gets blessed, and I did say when, there will be an open source implementation. It will provide safe harbor and it will run on low end hardware. Having had the personal experience of working with the LEAs a number of times since about 1990 I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my dismay at the egregious misinformation and negative speculation you have posted on this list. CALEA compliance is only going to be a problem for those WISPs who refuse to do due diligence in coming to compliance. Honestly Matt, what you have demonstrated on this list is that you have a talent for fear mongering and then exploiting the poor gullible people who bought into that fear mongering. Mind you that is only my opinion, but I am keeping it. I strongly encourage anyone who is currently in fear of CALEA to just go reread the FAQ. Read it critically, ensure that you have filed your documents thru Kris to the FBI. Then relax. The FBI is working very well with the committee. Progress is being made very quickly on a tough problem. Just relax people. Don't make a stupid mistake based upon pure horse hockey and spin which only serves to benefit those who would exploit your fear. If you want to sell, don't let CALEA compliance be any part of your decision. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM -- WISPA Wireless List:
[WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering... YIKES
Well maybe this will make a few want to sell: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_hi_te/fast_cable_modem Comcast Corp. Chief Executive Brian Roberts dazzled a cable industry audience Tuesday, showing off for the first time in public new technology that enabled a data download speed of 150 megabits per second, or roughly 25 times faster than today's standard cable modems. The cost of modems that would support the technology, called channel bonding, is not that dissimilar to modems today, he told The Associated Press after a demonstration at The Cable Show. It could be available within less than a couple years, he said. Personaly, I think this is premature hype. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] StarOS v3 and new Tranzeo CPE radios
While doing some testing with StarV3 and Tranzeo SL5/SL2 CPE units and came across something interesting. 20mhz and 5mhz channel spacing works just fine. However, 10mhz channel spacing doesn't work because the channels do not line up. For example: in 5.8 with 10mhz channels, the Tranzeo uses: 5750 5760 5780 5790 5800 5810 5820 5830 and the StarOS V3 uses: 5745 5755 5765 5775 5785 5795 5805 5815 5825 Any ideas on fixed for this one? I'd really like to use the Tranzeos with 10mhz channels as that appears to be the best balance between spectrum conservation and speed. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS v3 and new Tranzeo CPE radios
We made certain we kept the normal channels in all assignments, this you will find 5745 in X1, X2 and X4 our channel lists. Lonnie On 5/9/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While doing some testing with StarV3 and Tranzeo SL5/SL2 CPE units and came across something interesting. 20mhz and 5mhz channel spacing works just fine. However, 10mhz channel spacing doesn't work because the channels do not line up. For example: in 5.8 with 10mhz channels, the Tranzeo uses: 5750 5760 5780 5790 5800 5810 5820 5830 and the StarOS V3 uses: 5745 5755 5765 5775 5785 5795 5805 5815 5825 Any ideas on fixed for this one? I'd really like to use the Tranzeos with 10mhz channels as that appears to be the best balance between spectrum conservation and speed. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Jason wrote: Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. If you filed the form 445 and SSI Plan, you are caught up with the paperwork. * Monitoring Reports (Due February 12, 2007) * Updates of Pending Section 107(c) Petitions (Due February 12, 2007) * System Security and Integrity Plans (Due March 12, 2007) -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Jason wrote: Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. A lot of us at WISPA have hired Kris Twoomey to handle the CALEA filings for us. I'm not sure how much it costs, lawyers are never cheap, but I feel safer having an attorney that is FCC versed handing this type of thing. I also was happy to hear Michael Erskine's post seeing he is part of the WISPA/CALEA team. I sounds at least in part more reasonable. I'm feel if a wisp is moving forward with CALEA compliance in a professionals manor, he is fairly safe, as long as he really is performing. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering...YIKES
I had heard about this quite some time ago, although that could have been in the design stage and now we're in the testing stage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering...YIKES Well maybe this will make a few want to sell: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_hi_te/fast_cable_modem Comcast Corp. Chief Executive Brian Roberts dazzled a cable industry audience Tuesday, showing off for the first time in public new technology that enabled a data download speed of 150 megabits per second, or roughly 25 times faster than today's standard cable modems. The cost of modems that would support the technology, called channel bonding, is not that dissimilar to modems today, he told The Associated Press after a demonstration at The Cable Show. It could be available within less than a couple years, he said. Personaly, I think this is premature hype. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Peter R. wrote: Jason wrote: Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. If you filed the form 445 and SSI Plan, you are caught up with the paperwork. That's just it; many people filled 445, but didn't file an SSI Plan. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 700 MHz Auction update
http://tinyurl.com/25jxek -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
George Rogato wrote: Jason wrote: Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. A lot of us at WISPA have hired Kris Twoomey to handle the CALEA filings for us. I'm not sure how much it costs, lawyers are never cheap, but I feel safer having an attorney that is FCC versed handing this type of thing. I agree with that. Just remember though that just filing is only part of the compliance. A lawyer can't get you compliant; they can only help you with the paperwork. I also was happy to hear Michael Erskine's post seeing he is part of the WISPA/CALEA team. I sounds at least in part more reasonable. I'm feel if a wisp is moving forward with CALEA compliance in a professionals manor, he is fairly safe, as long as he really is performing. I think Peter's point is that if you don't file the necessary paperwork then there will be reason to come after you. Beyond that you will want safe harbor, which is the only way to protect you from liability. Kris or whoever your lawyer is can advise you on safe harbor. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering...YIKES
Maybe THIS is why you REALLY want to sell!!! http://www.4-makingmoney.com/images/money.jpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering...YIKES Well maybe this will make a few want to sell: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_hi_te/fast_cable_modem Comcast Corp. Chief Executive Brian Roberts dazzled a cable industry audience Tuesday, showing off for the first time in public new technology that enabled a data download speed of 150 megabits per second, or roughly 25 times faster than today's standard cable modems. The cost of modems that would support the technology, called channel bonding, is not that dissimilar to modems today, he told The Associated Press after a demonstration at The Cable Show. It could be available within less than a couple years, he said. Personaly, I think this is premature hype. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
LOL. I see I ruffled a few feathers. Of course that works both ways. Russ; You say if we could all just work together and get along. Absolultly, and working together towards a goal which is *mutually* healthy is one thing. Spewing FUD is another thing entirely. Then you said, I should find my delete key if I don't agree with what is being said here. Not going to happen, Russ, sorry. If I choose to state my opinion and I can do so without being insulting, I have as much right to do that as you, or Matt. I'm sure you understand that. Peter; You say, Is there FUD? Sure. Why? Mainly because no one wants to take the time to do their own Due Diligence or talk to an Authority. They want the Cliff Notes from the list. No such thing in this case. I guess you didn't actually read the FAQ or you would understand how it was actually realized. The last markup on the WISPA FAQ was done by the FBIs CALEA attorney. You may have researched my background but I'm betting you didn't find much. You say Mike, I tried to check the references for the people who wrote the FAQ. Uh. You guys have no more experience than Matt or me or Marlon. We don't have any less experience either. There is a very talented group working on the CALEA committee and they have gone to talk to the people who have the responsibility for implementing CALEA compliance for all LEAs. They are not just spending a few dollars and letting their attorneys, or their vendors tell them what they have to have. Don't you suppose if we had any worries at this point that we would be in here telling you the sky was falling ourselves? Honestly, WISPA asks for volunteers to work with the FBIs CALEA group. People volunteer. People take the time to read the docs, collect the questions, and then they spend their own time and money to visit the Quantico to present the questions. They come home clean up the results, pass the results before the attorney for the FBI and deliver them to you folks and people like you, and Matt, and Russ want to continue running around the room like henny penny. Help yourselves, then, if you must. Matt; Michael Erskine wrote: What makes you such an authority on CALEA, Matt? What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table that give credence to the fear that you are mongering on this list? Purchasing compliance does not constitute authoritative knowledge. For one, we are actually CALEA compliant. So are we. The only difference is that when and if we are ever served I am going to have to work a couple of all nighters. Getting there required understanding the requirements, speaking with our attorney, and working with our vendors. We did this months ago as a necessary and timely thing to knock out. This does not make you personally any more knowledgeable than any other person who has done the same thing. Most of the committee have done pretty much the same thing. Since that time we have watched people who aren't compliant act as authorities on the subject. So back at you... What qualifications or experience with CALEA do you bring to the table? Go review the FAQ document and see what it tells you about how that document came to exist. BTW, working experience with LEAs doesn't mean much since CALEA as it is being applied to ISPs is entirely new and no one has experience with it. Privacy rights and privacy law are not new. Title III and Title 10 are not new. Evidence handling is not new. Intercept is not new. CII is not new. As a matter of fact Matt, the ONLY thing that is new is that CALEA now applies to packet switched traffic. You knew that. Most ISPs will be able to satisfy the CALEA requirements for less than $200.00. Yep, that is what I said. When the WISPA Standard gets blessed, and I did say when, there will be an open source implementation. It will provide safe harbor and it will run on low end hardware. Having had the personal experience of working with the LEAs a number of times since about 1990 I feel perfectly comfortable in expressing my dismay at the egregious misinformation and negative speculation you have posted on this list. CALEA compliance is only going to be a problem for those WISPs who refuse to do due diligence in coming to compliance. Today is May 9th and your discussing a standard that doesn't exist and hasn't be approved. What happens to all the ISPs waiting on WISPAs standard come Monday? Well actually we have been in collusion with the FBI on this and Monday they are going to send out every available agent to arrest and imprison any WISP who is not compliant. We have been collecting their addresses for months now... ;) You're safe though because you have been preaching the word of truth to the myriad non-compliant WISPs out there and we know you know all there is to know about CALEA. Should they just be non-compliant and wait for your solution? No, they should
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Matt is right about the importance of filling out both forms. If some of you have only completed your 445 but not your SSI then you need to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some other attorney and get it done. Kris Twomey handled both of these for many WISPA members recently (including me). If you only had one form completed you are not done. If you have not done either one then you REALLY need to get on the stick here and get this done. CALEA compliance is more than just waiting around for us to hand you a standard and then you're done. I am hoping Kris Twomey is here and can back this up with his thoughts about what is needed to date for meeting CALEA compliance. Then you do not have to take my word for it. You can hear it from a guy who works communications law all day long. Kris? Can you pass along your thoughts on the importance of filling out your forms? Scriv That's just it; many people filled 445, but didn't file an SSI Plan. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
