[WISPA] Wispapalooza and FISPAlive

2011-10-06 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Hi All,

Just in case you missed it, ALL Wispapalooza attendees are invited to the
Wednesday evening reception and FISPA is offering session-only passes for
$50 (Thursday and Friday).  

You can check out the sessions and/or register here:

http://fispalive.com/


This is a great deal (regular passes are $399!), and there should be
something here for just about any WISP.


Regards,

Jeff
574-220-7826 


Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?

2011-10-06 Thread Marty Howard
We use it. While there are some modifications necessary to make it work really 
well, but the stability of the software and the responsiveness of the support 
is what makes all the difference for us.

Marty Howard
LiteWire Support
http://www.LiteWire.net

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Dear All

just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS...

anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the
domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing

Thank you in advance


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Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?

2011-10-06 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Hi

so if I correctly understand, your feedback regarding stabiliyt and 
support is very positive but it needs some personalization.

right?

 We use it. While there are some modifications necessary to make it work
 really well, but the stability of the software and the responsiveness of
 the support is what makes all the difference for us.

 Marty Howard
 LiteWire Support
 http://www.LiteWire.net

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 Dear All

 just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS...

 anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the
 domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing

 Thank you in advance


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Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

2011-10-06 Thread Jim Patient
The how to video is online.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmcMaC8Rw_Q

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 
 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

We've had a few calls and emails about the page refreshing when you
generate your map on mywificoverage.com.  Just click the home button or
the logo at the top and the page will refresh.  Once you go to home it
should refresh every 30 seconds.

 

Dennis is working on a how to video for youtube and it should be done in
a day or so.  We will post when it's online.

 

If you have particular antenna patterns you would like added shoot them
over and we will try to get them in the drop down list.

 

Please keep the feedback coming.  If you see a problem or would like
additional features let us know.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 


 

 

 

 



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[WISPA] Steve Jobs

2011-10-06 Thread Cameron Crum
Maybe in poor taste, but the headline should have been iDied.



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Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

2011-10-06 Thread ~NGL~
Where is the login page?
NGL
  From: Jim Patient 
  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:03 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue


  The how to video is online.

   

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmcMaC8Rw_Q

   

   

  Jim Patient

  Link Technologies, Inc.

  314-735-0270

  www.linktechs.net


   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jim Patient
  Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:04 PM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

   

  We've had a few calls and emails about the page refreshing when you generate 
your map on mywificoverage.com.  Just click the home button or the logo at the 
top and the page will refresh.  Once you go to home it should refresh every 30 
seconds.

   

  Dennis is working on a how to video for youtube and it should be done in a 
day or so.  We will post when it's online.

   

  If you have particular antenna patterns you would like added shoot them over 
and we will try to get them in the drop down list.

   

  Please keep the feedback coming.  If you see a problem or would like 
additional features let us know.

   

  Thx,

   

  Jim Patient

  Link Technologies, Inc.

  314-735-0270

  www.linktechs.net


   

   

   

   


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Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

2011-10-06 Thread Jim Patient
www.mywificoverage.com

 

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Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

Where is the login page?

NGL

From: Jim Patient mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net  

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:03 AM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

The how to video is online.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmcMaC8Rw_Q

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net
 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

We've had a few calls and emails about the page refreshing when
you generate your map on mywificoverage.com.  Just click the home button
or the logo at the top and the page will refresh.  Once you go to home
it should refresh every 30 seconds.

 

Dennis is working on a how to video for youtube and it should be
done in a day or so.  We will post when it's online.

 

If you have particular antenna patterns you would like added
shoot them over and we will try to get them in the drop down list.

 

Please keep the feedback coming.  If you see a problem or would
like additional features let us know.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 


 

 

 

 





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[WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Eric Roth
I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit
with the following message in the log. It happens every couple of minutes.

 

disconnected, extensive data loss.

 

Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?

 

The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi antenna.
The cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Interference would be my first guess.  Usually a station disconnects when it
doesn't have the SNR to sustain association.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Eric Roth er...@webjogger.net wrote:

 I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit
 with the following message in the log. It happens every couple of minutes.
 

 ** **

 disconnected, extensive data loss.

 ** **

 Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?

 ** **

 The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi antenna.
 The cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.

 ** **

 Thanks

 ** **

 --Eric Roth

 Technology Specialist
 Webjogger Internet Services

 (845) 757-4000

 www.webjogger.net




 
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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Justin Wilson
Interference, poor pigtail, something to cause the RF side of it to suffer.

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From:  Eric Roth er...@webjogger.net
Reply-To:  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
To:  'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Cc:  supp...@webjogger.net
Subject:  [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

 I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit with
 the following message in the log. It happens every couple of minutes.
  
 disconnected, extensive data loss.
  
 Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?
  
 The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi antenna. The
 cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.
  
 Thanks
  
 
 --Eric Roth
 Technology Specialist
 Webjogger Internet Services
 (845) 757-4000
 www.webjogger.net
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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Forgot all about the pigtails/connectors, those things cause weird power
problems some times.  Very irritating.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Interference, poor pigtail, something to cause the RF side of it to suffer.

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 http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
 http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter

 From: Eric Roth er...@webjogger.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: supp...@webjogger.net
 Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

 I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit
 with the following message in the log. It happens every couple of minutes.
 

 ** **

 disconnected, extensive data loss.

 ** **

 Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?

 ** **

 The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi antenna.
 The cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.

 ** **

 Thanks

 ** **

 --Eric Roth

 Technology Specialist
 Webjogger Internet Services

 (845) 757-4000

 www.webjogger.net
 
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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Jim Patient
Try adaptive noise immunity to client mode, short preamble, hardware
retries to 10, and see if it helps. 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Roth
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: supp...@webjogger.net
Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

 

I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit
with the following message in the log. It happens every couple of
minutes.

 

disconnected, extensive data loss.

 

Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?

 

The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi
antenna. The cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.

 

Thanks

 

--Eric Roth

Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services

(845) 757-4000

www.webjogger.net



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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

2011-10-06 Thread Dennis Burgess
Extensive data loss means that you have tried to resend wireless frames,
though the hw-retries, and its failed 3 times sequentially.   On top of
that you are already at the lowest data rate, therefore it disconnects
due to extensive data loss.  

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Roth
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: supp...@webjogger.net
Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik issue.

 

I have a RB411 that continuously gets disconnected from the access unit
with the following message in the log. It happens every couple of
minutes.

 

disconnected, extensive data loss.

 

Has anyone seen this before and have any suggestions on how to fix it?

 

The signal strength is -64db and the client has an 18db gain yagi
antenna. The cell is running n-stream and configured for 802.11b.

 

Thanks

 

--Eric Roth

Technology Specialist
Webjogger Internet Services

(845) 757-4000

www.webjogger.net




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[WISPA] Pulling my hair out

2011-10-06 Thread Scott Reed
Earlier this week one of the APs running 900MHz with SR9 in RB433s with 
RB133 and RB411 clients started dropping clients and they would come 
right back.  I tried different frequencies, etc.  Then it cleared up in 
the morning.  OK, maybe it is RTK or the weather or ...
Happened again the next night night.  Replaced the AP electronics, 
antenna and 65' of LMR400.  Nothing I did seemed to make a bit of 
difference.  I did have a couple of clients that were actually off wrong 
sector, behind this one.  Changed them to the proper AP this morning.  
5:30 tonight 2 customers called within 2 minutes.  Both off the AP in 
question.  I looked.  None of the 14 clients would stay registered for 
more than 10 seconds.  Wildest registration table I have ever watched.
Nothing seemed to make a difference.  I finally moved everyone to the 
access list and disabled them.  Enabled them one-by-one.  Found tow that 
would drop and come back and then apparently knock down everyone else.  
Left them disabled  and enabled all the others.  Let it run that way 1 
hour with no drops.  Enabled on of the 2 clients that was disabled.  It 
has now been up for over 52 minutes.
Turn on the last one and all goes out to lunch.  Turn it off and 
everything is OK.
Obviously that CPE has a problem.
Two reasons for the post:
 1) Clients can cause the whole AP to misbehave.
 2) Anyone have any trouble shooting tips on how to know whether to 
check AP or clients first?

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out

2011-10-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Sounds like 802.11 wonder and the one customer is bogging down the AP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 6, 2011 8:52 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 Earlier this week one of the APs running 900MHz with SR9 in RB433s with
 RB133 and RB411 clients started dropping clients and they would come
 right back. I tried different frequencies, etc. Then it cleared up in
 the morning. OK, maybe it is RTK or the weather or ...
 Happened again the next night night. Replaced the AP electronics,
 antenna and 65' of LMR400. Nothing I did seemed to make a bit of
 difference. I did have a couple of clients that were actually off wrong
 sector, behind this one. Changed them to the proper AP this morning.
 5:30 tonight 2 customers called within 2 minutes. Both off the AP in
 question. I looked. None of the 14 clients would stay registered for
 more than 10 seconds. Wildest registration table I have ever watched.
 Nothing seemed to make a difference. I finally moved everyone to the
 access list and disabled them. Enabled them one-by-one. Found tow that
 would drop and come back and then apparently knock down everyone else.
 Left them disabled and enabled all the others. Let it run that way 1
 hour with no drops. Enabled on of the 2 clients that was disabled. It
 has now been up for over 52 minutes.
 Turn on the last one and all goes out to lunch. Turn it off and
 everything is OK.
 Obviously that CPE has a problem.
 Two reasons for the post:
 1) Clients can cause the whole AP to misbehave.
 2) Anyone have any trouble shooting tips on how to know whether to
 check AP or clients first?

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out

2011-10-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
At this point you dont know if

1) It was client traffic/usage or traffic type causing the problem. 
(streaming, DDOS, MAC level virus, etc)

2) Client Interference causing the problem. (For example hidden node)

3) Actually failing client hardware.

4) a Poor quality link, attempting to pass excessive traffic.

5) a software timing issue, or software config issue. (Is it running 802.11, 
or NStreme polling? A or N?  Is there anything unique about this CPE set up? 
Improper bridging config? IP conflict?Enryption or not? )

I would start out by testing the problem link individually, to determine if 
the individual link performs OK. (That could require taking off other subs, 
which is not easy.)
Maybe even ask the customer to unplug his Soho router or PC from the Outdoor 
radio's POE, so CPE radio is isolated from LAN traffic, and see if it causes 
any problems associated without customer's traffic. Then you can slow load 
up his CPE, to see at what points the sector starts to have issues.

Does the trouble CPE have a lower RSSI ? Could it be being effected by 
interference sooner, because of link strength? You are looking for whether 
this radio is sending an excessive amount of TX retries, monopolizing AP's 
time, starving the other CPEs? or if its interference, and all CPE start 
having retries, when the trouble CPE is added back.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:52 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out


 Earlier this week one of the APs running 900MHz with SR9 in RB433s with
 RB133 and RB411 clients started dropping clients and they would come
 right back.  I tried different frequencies, etc.  Then it cleared up in
 the morning.  OK, maybe it is RTK or the weather or ...
 Happened again the next night night.  Replaced the AP electronics,
 antenna and 65' of LMR400.  Nothing I did seemed to make a bit of
 difference.  I did have a couple of clients that were actually off wrong
 sector, behind this one.  Changed them to the proper AP this morning.
 5:30 tonight 2 customers called within 2 minutes.  Both off the AP in
 question.  I looked.  None of the 14 clients would stay registered for
 more than 10 seconds.  Wildest registration table I have ever watched.
 Nothing seemed to make a difference.  I finally moved everyone to the
 access list and disabled them.  Enabled them one-by-one.  Found tow that
 would drop and come back and then apparently knock down everyone else.
 Left them disabled  and enabled all the others.  Let it run that way 1
 hour with no drops.  Enabled on of the 2 clients that was disabled.  It
 has now been up for over 52 minutes.
 Turn on the last one and all goes out to lunch.  Turn it off and
 everything is OK.
 Obviously that CPE has a problem.
 Two reasons for the post:
 1) Clients can cause the whole AP to misbehave.
 2) Anyone have any trouble shooting tips on how to know whether to
 check AP or clients first?

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 Wireless Networking
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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
All I can say is That is one more potential HUGE competitor that is no 
longer going to be a threat to the small business WISP.
The jingle that keeps ringing in my head is, another one bites the dust, ah. 

What I ask is... Did RUS keep or get the Tax Payer's money back? Or did it get 
spent and lost?
 

Tom DeReggi
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred Goldstein 
  To: tsharp...@qorvus.com ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???


  At 10/5/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-) 
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM 


  Yeah, but under the rapper profanity, he displays a profound ignorance of 
macroeconomics and monetary policy.  There's a reason that economics is called 
the dismal science.  It is  not intuitively obvious, and is thus prone to 
demagoguery.

  Open Range, on the other hand, appears to be a simple case of JP Morgan's 
influence peddling to get a big loan for a risky venture from the Bush 
administration.  I wonder if they will end up losing their bet, or if there is 
some trick in there to get JP Morgan Chase paid back.  Note how Iridium was 
Motorola's idea, and lost several billion, but Motorola came out ahead (and 
Chase, being the marks that time, lost).



On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: 

  At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:

Open Range Closes:

http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/

Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?

  Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.

  The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not WISPs.  
In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then a bigger RUS loan.  
The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.  

  Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation 
launched in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind it; the 
idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA satphones.  They were 
competing with the uber-baroque Iridium network, which of course bombed 
miserably (I had a bit of an inside seat watching that failure; it was kind of 
funny). GlobalStar's original satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some 
of the replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good.

  Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights as a 
way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was expanded to permit 
terrestrial-only users.  That's what LightSquared is trying to do.  Open Range 
made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, but something went wrong and the FCC 
revoked it in 2010.  So Open Range has some license problems.  All that money 
and no place to go.  They were also trying to make a deal with LightSquared, 
but I think that was for MVNO use of the network, not frequency leases.  

  I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is that 
Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot of money, spend big 
and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA member can't afford to waste money 
that way.  I wonder if Open Range has much cash left.  I don't see how they 
could have spent it without access to enough spectrum.

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