Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Sam, If you are a Christian you know there is no such thing as a living Saint, we only make them Saints after they are gone. O:-) You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Sam Tetherow wrote: Gee Marlon, this sounds a lot like the debate between you and Travis except you are on the other side ;) Quite honestly I don't blame Mark K at all. He has been trying to do here what everyone has been whining at him to do but no one seems to want to listen to it. He has been trying to rally the members of this list and WISPA to stand up to what he feels is an unjust ruling by the FCC. He has tried to oppose it on several levels, from a it's not fair to the little guy standpoint such as you are attacking here, to a it's not constitutional standpoint which gets him called a paranoid anti-government crackpot. For the most part he has been answered by personal attacks despite his taking the high road in trying to argue the issues. People have even gone so far as suggest a limit on posting and that he has ruined the usefulness of the list. Yet it seems to me that both Jack Unger and Matt Liotta do understand the unfair to the little guy standpoint and have posted about it without all the uproar that Mark gets. As for me, I'm taking a pragmatic approach. I have utilized the deal that WISPA worked with Kris T and I plan to comply to the best of my ability with any legal subpeona. If what I am able to do is not good enough I'll fire the customer, which I assume will get me in trouble, be fined $10K a day and go out of business. I honestly don't see any other alternative for someone of my resources and I am sure there are plenty of us out here in this boat. Marlon can make all the guarantees about the FAQ he wants but until the law reads in agreement with the FAQ it is just a handshake deal with people from the FBI and FCC who don't have power to set policy anyway. If we were talking about POP agreements I don't think anyone on this list would think it would be acceptable business practice to rely on a verbal agreement for access to a tower, yet this is what the FAQ really is. I'm not trying to put down what the CALEA team did or that the FAQ is useless, but when non-compliance becomes an issue it is not the FAQ that is going to stand in a court of law, it is the CALEA rules and regulations. I for one agree almost 100% with everything Mark has said, but then again I am a right wing extremist crackpot who believes in much the same things the founding fathers did. I look forward to having this debate over beers at ISPCON this spring with anyone who wants to have it. Yes, through the generousity of Peter R who provided me with a full conference pass, those going will have to put up with me ;) Sorry to see Mark K. go if he really does leave. He has had some very good ideas and I've looked forward to reading his opinion on many of these topics as I have come to value his insights. (Sorry this post was so long, there was plenty more I had to say but I hate long winded posts, thanks for reading this far...) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Mark, not picking on you here. But. If you were to quit typing out reams of emails and worked on getting more customers you'd be able to deal with the problem better. OR, if you, like sometimes happens to us, are outgrowing your cashflow, go get a part time job to help fund your business. Many of us here have done side work. Heck, some of us still do! All of this has been a fun discussion but it's pointless beyond a certain point (probably days ago :-). You can whine about it all you want. Still gotta do it. Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do certain things so that's where the effort is going. The time for changing minds is long past. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell. I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network.
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
You cannot expect others to take up your flag and run into a fight if you will not lead the way. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet the definition of compliance but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious financial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat for them. For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting that defending right and good was no longer allowed by a mature industry, defining mature as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of our forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not just during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and educational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or convenience or ingratiating ourselves with those in power, then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just public stances. I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT. I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone along. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals. Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each other. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there. Later, folks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Exactly my thoughts - I value Mark's opinion and insight - but his opinion / insight does me absolutely no good if he will not stay the course. Mark - I feel you are doing yourself and 100s if not 1000s of others an injustice by leaving. I personally feel you are a friend and someone I've enjoyed hearing from on these lists... Don't be a well I can't say that word here and leave. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell. You cannot expect others to take up your flag and run into a fight if you will not lead the way. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet the definition of compliance but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious financial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat for them. For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting that defending right and good was no longer allowed by a mature industry, defining mature as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of our forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not just during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and educational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or convenience or ingratiating ourselves with those in power, then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just public stances. I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT. I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone along. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals. Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each other. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there. Later, folks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Mark, It is people like you who made your country and people like you who defended your country. Always remember why you stand your ground. I stood my ground, had to leave the country for my family's safety (An loaded Uzi (mine) and a baby diaper bag (my new-born baby) together, finally got to me. I have returned and almost cried when I saw what has happened and the apathy of the people (how can a black man say life was better under the white man's oppression). But they are free - does free mean you can make a cross on a ballot paper, but have no food to feed your family. So all of you stand up, remember why the rest of the world use to admire your country and desire to live in your country where dreams do come true Remember, how late your country came into WWII. The general populace were convinced by a few that it was not their war. Then remember the anger after Pearl Harbour. Enough, I am rambling on a work morning. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet the definition of compliance but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious financial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat for them. For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting that defending right and good was no longer allowed by a mature industry, defining mature as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of our forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not just during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and educational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or convenience or ingratiating ourselves with those in power, then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just public stances. I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT. I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone along. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals. Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each other. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there. Later, folks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Carl - yes stop now - before you start drinking ! :) I placed an upside down flag of your current country on a tower Im working on ! (me ducks) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell. Mark, It is people like you who made your country and people like you who defended your country. Always remember why you stand your ground. I stood my ground, had to leave the country for my family's safety (An loaded Uzi (mine) and a baby diaper bag (my new-born baby) together, finally got to me. I have returned and almost cried when I saw what has happened and the apathy of the people (how can a black man say life was better under the white man's oppression). But they are free - does free mean you can make a cross on a ballot paper, but have no food to feed your family. So all of you stand up, remember why the rest of the world use to admire your country and desire to live in your country where dreams do come true Remember, how late your country came into WWII. The general populace were convinced by a few that it was not their war. Then remember the anger after Pearl Harbour. Enough, I am rambling on a work morning. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet the definition of compliance but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious financial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat for them. For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting that defending right and good was no longer allowed by a mature industry, defining mature as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of our forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not just during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and educational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or convenience or ingratiating ourselves with those in power, then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just public stances. I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT. I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone along. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals. Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each other. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Finally, a 1 Paragraph sentence that sums it all up. Zack On 5/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do certain things so that's where the effort is going. The time for changing minds is long past. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
you bet! I've voted for him for 20 odd years. And his office helped me once with the VA. Peter R. wrote: Blair Davis wrote: FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. Did you contact Upton to support his view? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Blair Davis wrote: FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
George Rogato wrote: Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for the deadline? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other words, it's sure worth a shot. On 5/2/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Rogato wrote: Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for the deadline? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Speaking of CALEA Statements. how many receive the newsletter from NetEqualizer? I thought it was really direct and straight forward, specifically about compliance My disclaimer: I don't have any connection to Netequalizer, I don't even have one of their products. Tim The following QA will address NetEqualizer's capabilities in reference to CALEA compliance. 1. Functionally, what does the Netequalizer CALEA release provide? We provide a network probe with the following capabilities: a.. It will allow an ISP or other operator to comply with a basic warrant for information about a user by capturing and sending IP communications in real time to a third party. b.. Communication may be captured by headers or headers and content. 2. In what format is the data portion sent to a law enforcement agency? We will provide basic descriptive tags identifying headers, data, and time stamps, along with HEX or ASCII representation of content data. 3. Do you meet the standards of the receiving law enforcement agency? The law and specifications on how to deliver to a law enforcement agency are somewhat ambiguous. The FBI has created some detailed specifications, but the reality is that there are some 40,000 law enforcement agencies and they are given autonomy on how they receive data. We do provide samples on how to receive NetEqualizer-captured data on a third party server, but are unable to guarantee definite compliance with any specific agency. 4. Does the NetEqualizer do any analysis of the data? No. We are only providing a probe function. 5. Is the NetEqualizer release fully CALEA compliant? Although the law (see CALEA sections 103 and 107(a)(2)) is fairly specific on what needs to be done, the how is not addressed to any level of detail to which we can engineer our solution. Many people are following the ATIS specification which was put forth by the FBI, and we have read and attempted to comply with the probe portion of that specification. But, the reality is that there is no one agency given the authority to test a solution and bless it as compliant. So, if faced with a warrant for information, the law enforcement agency in charge may indeed want something in slightly different formats. If this is the case, there may be additional consulting. As best we can tell at this time, there is no one government agency that can fully declare our technology CALEA compliant. However, we do pledge to work with our customers should they be faced with a warrant for information to adjust and even customize our solution; however additional fees may apply. For more information on NetEqualizer and CALEA, visit our extended QA page at http:// www.netequalizer.com/caleafaq.php. Additional information on CALEA itself can be found at http://www.askcalea.org. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Zack Kneisley wrote: If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other words, it's sure worth a shot. You are still have the problem of getting fined in the meantime. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
No. But on the other hand, if we ask for nothing then that is what we will get, or, as I've heard it said: If you don't ask, then the answer is NO. Government rules and regulations are constantly changed and amended and selectively enforced to respond to the needs of constituents. Congress can't read our minds. Most of our representatives don't even know that we exist. We need to educate them that: 1. We're here (in their District). 2. We're serving the broadband needs of their constituents. 3. CALEA requirements are unreasonable and need to be reviewed and modified to allow small WISPs to stay in business. 4. We need their help and support for this CALEA review. If we fail to educate our Congress representatives then we have no one to blame but ourselves for the fact that the FCC has unwisely chosen to treat small WISPs like they treat ATT (as a bottomless money pit that can afford to do anything to stay in business). Either we: 1. Take action to right the wrong, or 2. We whine endlessly about how screwed up our government is. Take your choice, jack Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for the deadline? -Matt -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification Assistance for Wireless Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Gee Marlon, this sounds a lot like the debate between you and Travis except you are on the other side ;) Quite honestly I don't blame Mark K at all. He has been trying to do here what everyone has been whining at him to do but no one seems to want to listen to it. He has been trying to rally the members of this list and WISPA to stand up to what he feels is an unjust ruling by the FCC. He has tried to oppose it on several levels, from a it's not fair to the little guy standpoint such as you are attacking here, to a it's not constitutional standpoint which gets him called a paranoid anti-government crackpot. For the most part he has been answered by personal attacks despite his taking the high road in trying to argue the issues. People have even gone so far as suggest a limit on posting and that he has ruined the usefulness of the list. Yet it seems to me that both Jack Unger and Matt Liotta do understand the unfair to the little guy standpoint and have posted about it without all the uproar that Mark gets. As for me, I'm taking a pragmatic approach. I have utilized the deal that WISPA worked with Kris T and I plan to comply to the best of my ability with any legal subpeona. If what I am able to do is not good enough I'll fire the customer, which I assume will get me in trouble, be fined $10K a day and go out of business. I honestly don't see any other alternative for someone of my resources and I am sure there are plenty of us out here in this boat. Marlon can make all the guarantees about the FAQ he wants but until the law reads in agreement with the FAQ it is just a handshake deal with people from the FBI and FCC who don't have power to set policy anyway. If we were talking about POP agreements I don't think anyone on this list would think it would be acceptable business practice to rely on a verbal agreement for access to a tower, yet this is what the FAQ really is. I'm not trying to put down what the CALEA team did or that the FAQ is useless, but when non-compliance becomes an issue it is not the FAQ that is going to stand in a court of law, it is the CALEA rules and regulations. I for one agree almost 100% with everything Mark has said, but then again I am a right wing extremist crackpot who believes in much the same things the founding fathers did. I look forward to having this debate over beers at ISPCON this spring with anyone who wants to have it. Yes, through the generousity of Peter R who provided me with a full conference pass, those going will have to put up with me ;) Sorry to see Mark K. go if he really does leave. He has had some very good ideas and I've looked forward to reading his opinion on many of these topics as I have come to value his insights. (Sorry this post was so long, there was plenty more I had to say but I hate long winded posts, thanks for reading this far...) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Mark, not picking on you here. But. If you were to quit typing out reams of emails and worked on getting more customers you'd be able to deal with the problem better. OR, if you, like sometimes happens to us, are outgrowing your cashflow, go get a part time job to help fund your business. Many of us here have done side work. Heck, some of us still do! All of this has been a fun discussion but it's pointless beyond a certain point (probably days ago :-). You can whine about it all you want. Still gotta do it. Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do certain things so that's where the effort is going. The time for changing minds is long past. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell. I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
I already did. I write my congressmen about once a month. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell. Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Blair Davis wrote: FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
