Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Steve Barnes]

Never used Avast! On desktops, only on servers.  Is there a way to get any 
sales income from avast? A reseller referral program? 

Those of you Bashing Norton. I agree the last 3 versions stunk.  Have you tried 
2009 version.  Is there any Forgiveness in your heart.  Plus I make $20 per 
copy sold 20 this week alone.  Cant make that revenue from something a customer 
buys off the web. (unless they have a dealer/link program).

Steve
RC-WiFi

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! 
anti-virus.   It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall 
things, and an excellent anti-virus.   Not to mention... it's FREE.A 
sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee 
to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a 
single complaint to me.








- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner


> Get rid of Norton.  It's crap software these days.
>
> www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better.  Norton and 
> MacAfee
> make my phone ring all of the time.
>
> Stop Sign has been amazing.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
>
>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
>> that I might Try that you like.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Executive Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?

[os10rules]

I put dns, email (ports 25, 110, 143, 465, 587, 993, 995) and voip  
(sip, h323, skype) at the top or maybe email just below voip and dns;  
web ssl and uncategorized in the middle of the range; and p2p at the  
bottom.

Greg
On Feb 13, 2009, at 11:09 PM, RickG wrote:

> Since we're on the subject, and RouterOS, what priorities do you put
> on your traffic? Web, pop3, smtp, dns, icmp, ssl, ftp, snmp, etc...
> -RickG
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dennis Burgess
>  wrote:
>> RouterOS can identify Skype at layer 7 as well. .
>>
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
>> 
>>
>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by  
>> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is  
>> intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged  
>> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use  
>> of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
>> persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is  
>> prohibited, If you
>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the  
>> material from any computer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The problem I'm having is Skype is not impossible to detect, but  
>>> it is
>>> difficult and some QoS mechanisms miss it because it's designed to  
>>> be
>>> hard to detect and stop so it can slip out networks where the admin
>>> tries to block IM apps. The better network security devices and  
>>> detect
>>> and filter or QoS it. But Skype doesn't use TOS or other QoS
>>> prioritizing bits and it greatly varies the ports it uses in an  
>>> effort
>>> to not reveal itself. It's really quite amazing, if you have an
>>> internet connection but you have a DNS issue (no DNS info being
>>> propagated by DHCP for example) it will still find it's way out and
>>> connect. It's one quick indication of a good network with bad DNS.
>>>
>>> Another problem is the newer P2P apps do likewise (random ports,
>>> nondescript packets/data) in an effort to prevent ISP operators from
>>> blocking or limiting it. So it's a continual game of cat and mouse
>>> between the program authors and the net admin folks trying to detect
>>> and control these things.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Have you done any packet captures?  If it is a small site, you  
 might
 be
 able to look at the TOS bit and prioritize accordingly.  If you  
 see a
 DSCP (TOS) of 46, I assume it is VoIP and tag it for queues.  In
 Mikrotik, there is a "connection type" option, and SIP is one of  
 the
 options.  I also tag that one and set it to VoIP for the QoS rules.

 It gets most traffic, but don't know about Skype.

 Eric


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?

 Does anyone have experience using RouterOS (on RouterBoard or  
 x86) for
 doing Skype QoS? I've been trying many different Linux based  
 servers
 (ZeroShell, pfsense, Endian, ClarkConnect specifically for  
 achieving
 good QoS with Skype - more specifically to keep the P2P stuff from
 killing Skype - and so far nothing is performing as well as little
 router with Tomato firmware and it's QoS. The problem is having the
 layer 7 sniffer properly detect and categorize Skype and  
 uTorrent. I'm
 getting ready to try RouterOS (x86) and Wolverine.

 Does anyone have any success stories?

 Thanks!
 Greg


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?

[Josh Luthman]

I STRONGLY suggest you put email at 2 if voip is going to be 1.  DNS can
stay at 1, though.  You don't need jitter every time someone sends or
receives an email message.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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--- Henry Spencer


On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:32 AM,  wrote:

> I put dns, email (ports 25, 110, 143, 465, 587, 993, 995) and voip
> (sip, h323, skype) at the top or maybe email just below voip and dns;
> web ssl and uncategorized in the middle of the range; and p2p at the
> bottom.
>
> Greg
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 11:09 PM, RickG wrote:
>
> > Since we're on the subject, and RouterOS, what priorities do you put
> > on your traffic? Web, pop3, smtp, dns, icmp, ssl, ftp, snmp, etc...
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dennis Burgess
> >  wrote:
> >> RouterOS can identify Skype at layer 7 as well. .
> >>
> >> * ---
> >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> >> WISPA Vendor Member*
> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> >> 
> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
> >> 
> >>
> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by
> >> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is
> >> intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
> >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use
> >> of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
> >> persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is
> >> prohibited, If you
> >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the
> >> material from any computer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> The problem I'm having is Skype is not impossible to detect, but
> >>> it is
> >>> difficult and some QoS mechanisms miss it because it's designed to
> >>> be
> >>> hard to detect and stop so it can slip out networks where the admin
> >>> tries to block IM apps. The better network security devices and
> >>> detect
> >>> and filter or QoS it. But Skype doesn't use TOS or other QoS
> >>> prioritizing bits and it greatly varies the ports it uses in an
> >>> effort
> >>> to not reveal itself. It's really quite amazing, if you have an
> >>> internet connection but you have a DNS issue (no DNS info being
> >>> propagated by DHCP for example) it will still find it's way out and
> >>> connect. It's one quick indication of a good network with bad DNS.
> >>>
> >>> Another problem is the newer P2P apps do likewise (random ports,
> >>> nondescript packets/data) in an effort to prevent ISP operators from
> >>> blocking or limiting it. So it's a continual game of cat and mouse
> >>> between the program authors and the net admin folks trying to detect
> >>> and control these things.
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Have you done any packet captures?  If it is a small site, you
>  might
>  be
>  able to look at the TOS bit and prioritize accordingly.  If you
>  see a
>  DSCP (TOS) of 46, I assume it is VoIP and tag it for queues.  In
>  Mikrotik, there is a "connection type" option, and SIP is one of
>  the
>  options.  I also tag that one and set it to VoIP for the QoS rules.
> 
>  It gets most traffic, but don't know about Skype.
> 
>  Eric
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>  boun...@wispa.org]
>  On
>  Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
>  Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:18 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?
> 
>  Does anyone have experience using RouterOS (on RouterBoard or
>  x86) for
>  doing Skype QoS? I've been trying many different Linux based
>  servers
>  (ZeroShell, pfsense, Endian, ClarkConnect specifically for
>  achieving
>  good QoS with Skype - more specifically to keep the P2P stuff from
>  killing Skype - and so far nothing is performing as well as little
>  router with Tomato firmware and it's QoS. The problem is having the
>  layer 7 sniffer properly detect and categorize Skype and
>  uTorrent. I'm
>  getting ready to try RouterOS (x86) and Wolverine.
> 
>  Does anyone have any success stories?
> 
>  Thanks!
>  Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Mike Hammett]

They do, but I forgot what it is.


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--
From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> Never used Avast! On desktops, only on servers.  Is there a way to get any 
> sales income from avast? A reseller referral program?
>
> Those of you Bashing Norton. I agree the last 3 versions stunk.  Have you 
> tried 2009 version.  Is there any Forgiveness in your heart.  Plus I make 
> $20 per copy sold 20 this week alone.  Cant make that revenue from 
> something a customer buys off the web. (unless they have a dealer/link 
> program).
>
> Steve
> RC-WiFi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of 
> Avast!
> anti-virus.   It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall
> things, and an excellent anti-virus.   Not to mention... it's FREE.A
> sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee
> to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a
> single complaint to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
>
>> Get rid of Norton.  It's crap software these days.
>>
>> www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better.  Norton and
>> MacAfee
>> make my phone ring all of the time.
>>
>> Stop Sign has been amazing.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>>
>>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
>>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 
>>> 2009
>>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it 
>>> (windows)
>>> that I might Try that you like.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> Executive Manager
>>> PCS-WIN
>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[WISPA] Berber carpet

[RickG]

How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads?
I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
doesnt catch the carpet.
Thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

[John Scrivner]

You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long along
the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill.
Scriv


On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG  wrote:

> How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the
> threads?
> I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
> I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
> doesnt catch the carpet.
> Thoughts?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?

[os10rules]

Thanks!

Greg
On Feb 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> I STRONGLY suggest you put email at 2 if voip is going to be 1.  DNS  
> can
> stay at 1, though.  You don't need jitter every time someone sends or
> receives an email message.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:32 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I put dns, email (ports 25, 110, 143, 465, 587, 993, 995) and voip
>> (sip, h323, skype) at the top or maybe email just below voip and dns;
>> web ssl and uncategorized in the middle of the range; and p2p at the
>> bottom.
>>
>> Greg
>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 11:09 PM, RickG wrote:
>>
>>> Since we're on the subject, and RouterOS, what priorities do you put
>>> on your traffic? Web, pop3, smtp, dns, icmp, ssl, ftp, snmp, etc...
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dennis Burgess
>>>  wrote:
 RouterOS can identify Skype at layer 7 as well. .

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 

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 intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
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 of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
 persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is
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 os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
> The problem I'm having is Skype is not impossible to detect, but
> it is
> difficult and some QoS mechanisms miss it because it's designed to
> be
> hard to detect and stop so it can slip out networks where the  
> admin
> tries to block IM apps. The better network security devices and
> detect
> and filter or QoS it. But Skype doesn't use TOS or other QoS
> prioritizing bits and it greatly varies the ports it uses in an
> effort
> to not reveal itself. It's really quite amazing, if you have an
> internet connection but you have a DNS issue (no DNS info being
> propagated by DHCP for example) it will still find it's way out  
> and
> connect. It's one quick indication of a good network with bad DNS.
>
> Another problem is the newer P2P apps do likewise (random ports,
> nondescript packets/data) in an effort to prevent ISP operators  
> from
> blocking or limiting it. So it's a continual game of cat and mouse
> between the program authors and the net admin folks trying to  
> detect
> and control these things.
>
> Greg
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>
>
>> Have you done any packet captures?  If it is a small site, you
>> might
>> be
>> able to look at the TOS bit and prioritize accordingly.  If you
>> see a
>> DSCP (TOS) of 46, I assume it is VoIP and tag it for queues.  In
>> Mikrotik, there is a "connection type" option, and SIP is one of
>> the
>> options.  I also tag that one and set it to VoIP for the QoS  
>> rules.
>>
>> It gets most traffic, but don't know about Skype.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] RouterOS x86 for Skype QoS?
>>
>> Does anyone have experience using RouterOS (on RouterBoard or
>> x86) for
>> doing Skype QoS? I've been trying many different Linux based
>> servers
>> (ZeroShell, pfsense, Endian, ClarkConnect specifically for
>> achieving
>> good QoS with Skype - more specifically to keep the P2P stuff  
>> from
>> killing Skype - and so far nothing is performing as well as  
>> little
>> router with Tomato firmware and it's QoS. The problem is having  
>> the
>> layer 7 sniffer properly detect and categorize Skype and
>> uTorrent. I'm
>> getting ready to try RouterOS (x86) and Wolverine.
>>
>> Does anyone have any success stories?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> -

Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

we have some stuff on our website.  take a look Gino.. 

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> Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
>  
>
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Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

[Patrick Leary]

LOL. Definitely not a question previously posted on a wireless list...

Never drill through carpet; cut a small V with a razor knife, then  
peel it back and drill. It is most cleanly finished with a lite  
plastic grommet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2009, at 11:09 AM, "RickG"  wrote:

> How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling  
> the threads?
> I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
> I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
> doesnt catch the carpet.
> Thoughts?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Sigh, THEY will bet all of the bailout money they can stomach.

How does no one end up in jail over this kind of lunacy?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
> part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.
>
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Wish I could just write off my debt and still be in business.

This kind of thing is just wrong.

Go so far in debt that there's no way out.  Work off of a bad business 
model.  Then stick everyone else with the bill and walk away in a few years 
totally in the clear.

it's BS
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
> without all of that burden.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "George Rogato" 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>> Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
>> part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.
>>
>> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058&nclick_check=1
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that they 
do it be going broke!!

aaa
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in "test markets"
> though.
>
> * ---
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> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
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>> Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
>> without all of that burden.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>>
>>
>>> Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
>>> part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[Eje Gustafsson]

Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many
stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue
operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. 

If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense
of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent
to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like
Charter now and Cable & Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did
it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers
in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
single thing of their personal affect. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that they 
do it be going broke!!

aaa
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in "test markets"
> though.
>
> * ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
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> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
>> without all of that burden.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>>
>>
>>> Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
>>> part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] WISP

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hi Scotty,

It's great to live in the country, but sometimes the price we pay stinks et?  
grin

You sir are a poster child for why we need more power in the white spaces etc!

I've cc'd one of my industry mailing lists.  If non of my peers turns out to be 
in your area feel free to touch base with me.  I've thought about installing 
some service out your way.  Maybe now is the time?

Take care,
Marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Burrous 
  To: o...@odessaoffice.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:44 PM
  Subject: WISP


  I just read, "Want Wireless Broadband Today? Try a WISP" by Eric Butterman in 
 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2340369,00.asp in which you were featured.
  I live in the center of Whidbey Island a few hundred miles west of you and 
there is bugger all for hi speed access in my 'rural' area.  To the north a few 
miles is cable and Verizon DSL - to the south a few miles is cable and Whidbey 
telephone DSL but NO ONE services the center of the island where I am.  
Satellite is a joke and if I NEED to download a large file I take my laptop, 
get in the car and  drive the 4 mles to the library and download there, sigh.  
  The cable companies have reached the end of their 'legs' and don't want to 
continue.  Verizon is putting all their efforts into fiber.  Whenever I check 
them out I get a response, "Not available, not planned".
  There are over 100 residences in a 4 mile radius that, like me, only have 
dialup ability and the area is heavily wooded with trees averaging 100'.  There 
is only one housing development with the rest of the residences on a minimum 5 
acre plat.
  Is it possible/ feasible to setup a WISP in a situation like this?
  Any information would be appreciated,
  Scotty
   
   
   
   



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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[reader]

Well, they are THE providers of broadband, didn't you know.Too valuable 
to "fail" and well connected in DC.

I read somewhere that between the bailouts - specifically banks and other 
financial institutions - and the loans that the taxpayers have gauranteed in 
the last year,  along with the spending and new spending programs voted in 
for the future, there's something like 18 TRILLION dollars in liabilites on 
the backs of the taxpayers that's new since the end of January 08.   And 
it's over 5 trillion in direct spending just for the 18 months between last 
july and the end of '09.   That assumes no new spending.

Someone I read, which if memory serves was a WSJ blog, calculated that we 
could just have let ALL the banks fail and instead, distributed 90,000 PER 
ADULT to the public and restarted with all new and solvent institutions and 
it would have been cheaper than the "stimulus", bank rescues and bailouts.

I know that with 180K in my family we'd have done a lot more stimulatin' 
than the present 3.3 trillion just passed.  (this includes the cost of 
future programs which are NOT paid for in this bill, cumulative to the next 
pres election).I am as horrified as you at the gross mismanagement.

But, just when you think you've seen it all...   The president (CEO?  COO? 
Chairman?  not sure) of Netflix apparently has publicly stated he thinks his 
taxes should be raised, along with all his business cohorts.If I were on 
his BOD, he'd be sending resumes out and unemployed the day after he said 
that.

Well, whatcha gonna do?





- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
> they
> do it be going broke!!
>
> aaa
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>
>> They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in "test markets"
>> though.
>>
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
>> 
>>
>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the
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>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
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>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of
>> any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities 
>> other
>> than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you
>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
>> from any computer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
>>> without all of that burden.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>>>
>>>
 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[reader]

Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in 
Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home 
everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time.  And 
I've battled crooked "collectors" who have tried to collect discharged debt 
ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. 
Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for 
more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real 
estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, 
rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the 
proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect 
from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of 
"owners" of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or car 
loans or anything.

Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed 
and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being 
persued by a different 'agency' or "lender" or "owner".

One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones 
and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE 
FIRED!

:)





- Original Message - 
From: "Eje Gustafsson" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so 
> many
> stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically 
> continue
> operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.
>
> If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the 
> expense
> of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and 
> spent
> to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
> myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
> conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies 
> like
> Charter now and Cable & Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that 
> did
> it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and 
> customers
> in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
> single thing of their personal affect.
>
> / Eje
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
> Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
> they
> do it be going broke!!
>
> aaa
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>
>> They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in "test markets"
>> though.
>>
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
>> 
>>
>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the
>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended
>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.
>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of
>> any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities 
>> other
>
>> than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you
>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
>> from any computer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
>>> without all of that burden.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>>>
>>>
 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.


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> _id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058&nclick_check=1




> 

[WISPA] Per customer gigabyte consumption...

[reader]

I'm in the process of bringing on a new provider for bandwidth on board and 
in doing so, I decided to check out some history...

When I started,  on the average, my customers used 2 gigs of data per month.

Last month, it worked out to just over 11 gigs per customer.

That's an increase of over 5X in 4.5 years.

I didn't bother to look back, but if memory serves, this time last year, 
that number was about 4.5 gigs per customer.

I expect that's going to double again this year.

Any of you have similar histories?








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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[eje]

Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business 
like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, 
board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and 
free and get to keep it all. 

Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's 
part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and 
preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term 
from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. 
They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in 
Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home 
everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time.  And 
I've battled crooked "collectors" who have tried to collect discharged debt 
ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. 
Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for 
more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real 
estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, 
rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the 
proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect 
from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of 
"owners" of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or car 
loans or anything.

Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed 
and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being 
persued by a different 'agency' or "lender" or "owner".

One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones 
and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE 
FIRED!

:)





- Original Message - 
From: "Eje Gustafsson" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so 
> many
> stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically 
> continue
> operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.
>
> If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the 
> expense
> of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and 
> spent
> to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
> myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
> conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies 
> like
> Charter now and Cable & Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that 
> did
> it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and 
> customers
> in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
> single thing of their personal affect.
>
> / Eje
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
> Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
> they
> do it be going broke!!
>
> aaa
> marlon
>
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> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>
>> They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in "test markets"
>> though.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[reader]

Have you seen anyone who wasn't connected to DC carry this out?   I don't 
think my corp could get away with that.   BTW, there's been some people, 
including a coule in Congress who want to change the BK laws for 
corporations, so that if they go BK, the people who lent money get to hold 
the stock of the new corp.   I'll bet they'd get the incompetent fired and 
replaced.   Although, sometimes it really isn't a case of mismanagement - or 
it was mismanagement previous to the people who get stuck with the mess - 
like Chrysler is right now.   Daimler's to blame for 100% of their problems, 
it seems rather pointless to rip the guys trying to save it now...

Anyone notice that  the peanut guys just went out of business over some 
tainted peanuts?







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Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


> Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue 
> business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and 
> the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess 
> goes clean and free and get to keep it all.
>
> Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. 
> It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning 
> and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a 
> legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't 
> be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and 
> keep everything.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>
> Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in
> Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home
> everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. 
> And
> I've battled crooked "collectors" who have tried to collect discharged 
> debt
> ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal.
> Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for
> more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the 
> real
> estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet,
> rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the
> proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to 
> collect
> from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of
> "owners" of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or 
> car
> loans or anything.
>
> Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed
> and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being
> persued by a different 'agency' or "lender" or "owner".
>
> One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work 
> phones
> and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.
>
> But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE
> FIRED!
>
> :)
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eje Gustafsson" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>
>
>> Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so
>> many
>> stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically
>> continue
>> operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.
>>
>> If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the
>> expense
>> of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and
>> spent
>> to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
>> myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
>> conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies
>> like
>> Charter now and Cable & Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that
>> did
>> it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and
>> customers
>> in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
>> single thing of their personal affect.
>>
>> / Eje
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
>>
>> Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that
>> they
>> do it be going broke!!
>>
>> aaa
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

Re: [WISPA] tower site management

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Cool!

Any advice on how to actually do that job?

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Blake Bowers" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower site management


> Marlon,
>
> Monday when I am back in the office I will send you some samples that
> we use when we take over management of a tower.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
>> On 2/12/09 7:25 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've got a tower owner that's got a now nearly empty tower or about 80'
>>> on
>>> the top of a 700 foot hill.  He doesn't want the hassle of dealing with
>>> people that would like to go up there.
>>>
>>> He would, however, be interested in more rent money.
>>>
>>> It's been suggested that I manage the site and somehow split any revenue
>>> with him.
>>>
>>> Is anyone else doing this?
>>>
>>> How do you go about such an arraignment?
>>>
>>> Anyone have a contract I can use as a boiler plate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Drill very slowly at first.

Sharp drill bits.

Drill a little, stop, reverse the bit, or pull it out and make sure that 
nothing is caught on it etc.

Worse case, we cut a small slit in the carpet and go down through that.
marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Berber carpet


> How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the 
> threads?
> I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit.
> I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it
> doesnt catch the carpet.
> Thoughts?
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Marlon K. Schafer]

LOL

Steve, if we were a computer repair shop (something I'm toying with) the 
choice for Norton would be a no brainier!  It would make us s much 
money.  hehehehe

We try very hard to be technology agnostic.  If the new Norton is better 
than everyone else that's where we'll send our customers.  Just as soon as 
our current best choice screws up.  We won't bail on the guys that have done 
it right all along

marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner


> Never used Avast! On desktops, only on servers.  Is there a way to get any 
> sales income from avast? A reseller referral program?
>
> Those of you Bashing Norton. I agree the last 3 versions stunk.  Have you 
> tried 2009 version.  Is there any Forgiveness in your heart.  Plus I make 
> $20 per copy sold 20 this week alone.  Cant make that revenue from 
> something a customer buys off the web. (unless they have a dealer/link 
> program).
>
> Steve
> RC-WiFi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of 
> Avast!
> anti-virus.   It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall
> things, and an excellent anti-virus.   Not to mention... it's FREE.A
> sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee
> to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a
> single complaint to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
>
>> Get rid of Norton.  It's crap software these days.
>>
>> www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better.  Norton and
>> MacAfee
>> make my phone ring all of the time.
>>
>> Stop Sign has been amazing.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>>
>>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
>>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 
>>> 2009
>>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it 
>>> (windows)
>>> that I might Try that you like.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> Executive Manager
>>> PCS-WIN
>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we 
do?

marlon

>
> Well, whatcha gonna do?
>
>




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Re: [WISPA] Per customer gigabyte consumption...

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Average for Dec of 08 was 3.98 up and down combined.

Dec. of 07 was 2.21

Dec. of 06 was 2.42

We just raised our included amount from 6 gigs to 10.  Fiber customers went 
from 6 gigs to 20 or 25.

I'm not sure how I'm gonna shove enough data through the ap's.  Without more 
spectrum to play with

We're starting to install more Alvarion and Trango 5 gig gear.  I use almost 
no 5 gig wifi cause I don't want anymore messes like I have now in 2.4.

laters,
marlon

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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Per customer gigabyte consumption...


> I'm in the process of bringing on a new provider for bandwidth on board 
> and
> in doing so, I decided to check out some history...
>
> When I started,  on the average, my customers used 2 gigs of data per 
> month.
>
> Last month, it worked out to just over 11 gigs per customer.
>
> That's an increase of over 5X in 4.5 years.
>
> I didn't bother to look back, but if memory serves, this time last year,
> that number was about 4.5 gigs per customer.
>
> I expect that's going to double again this year.
>
> Any of you have similar histories?
>
>
> 
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