Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

[Gene Falck]

Hi Dejan,
You wrote:
I thought nothing of the fact that I have
not seen such a result in IE6 and Mozilla 1.7.
Mozilla 1.7.5 still proudly displays an ugly BOM,
IE doesn't.
Hmm--very interesting. I have not seen any BOM
effects even though I use Mozilla at home (IE6
at work) so I downloaded XVI32 and checked some
of my files composed and saved in Notepad, some
with ctrl-s and some using Save as, choosing the
UTF-8 encoding, and have yet to find one with a
BOM at the beginning.
Do you suppose Microsoft fixed Notepad when they
coded Windows XP?
As long as you have a web server on your intranet
it shouldn't do any difference to the browser,
it's just documents coming from the network. It's
files from your disk that will miss the http headers.
The setup at work was never intended to serve
HTML. We have a program that runs things like
payroll, work scheduling, and inventory that
runs on the LAN; we also use the F:\ drive bit
to share Excel and Word files. So, I can use
an HTML file from a floppy disk, the C:\ drive,
the F:\ drive, passed to me as an internal
email attachment, or even from a flash memory
unit on a USB plug in. AFAIK, **all** my files
are missing the http headers.
Regards,
Gene Falck,
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Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[David Laakso]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:16:21 +1100, Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

*grin* Cool, thanks for the links. I'll have to check them out. I'm sure  
it
will be much cheaper than buying a Mac. :)
And then along comes a *nit-picking bozzo,* still on the back of the bus,  
with XP_SP2, who finds that:
the fonts are much too small, that they go a little goofy on zoom in IE,  
that the layout breaks on zoom in IE accessibility mode, and that there's  
no available horizontal navigation available when images are disabled in  
FF, or Opera. And it's a long, long, scroll to get to the content in Lynx.
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[WSG] resizing dropdown boxes on FF

[Andreas Boehmer]

Does anybody know how to force  dropdown boxes to increase their
height on Firefox and Netscape when the font-size is being increased by
the user? 

I know there are ways of doing that for checkboxes and radiobuttons
using em-height, but I don't think that works with dropdown boxes. 

Currently the way it looks on Firefox is that when the user increases
the browser font-size the text inside the dropdown increases, but not
the dropdown itself.

Any suggestions?

Andreas Boehmer
User Experience Consultant

Phone: (03) 9417 0468
Mobile: (0411) 097 038
http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au
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RE: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Seona Bellamy]

*grin* Cool, thanks for the links. I'll have to check them out. I'm sure it
will be much cheaper than buying a Mac. :)

Cheers,

Seona.

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> 
> 
> > about Macs because I can't check there
> 
> You can.
> 
> 
> 
> > buy a Mac as a testing machine. :)
> 
> Not necessarily.
> 
> 
> BTW you'll end up with a testing PC and using Apple regularly :)
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Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Exactly what happened to me :)

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au


> From: Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:42:08 +0100
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
> 
>> about Macs because I can't check there
> 
> You can.
> 
> 
> 
>> buy a Mac as a testing machine. :)
> 
> Not necessarily.
> 
> 
> BTW you'll end up with a testing PC and using Apple regularly :)
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Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Jan Brasna]

about Macs because I can't check there
You can.


buy a Mac as a testing machine. :)
Not necessarily.

BTW you'll end up with a testing PC and using Apple regularly :)
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Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

All looks good now.

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au


> From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:20:49 +1100
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> Thanks for the tip. I've made the change. Can you have a look at it and see
> if it has introduced any other unexpected results? I've checked it on
> IE6/Win and Mozilla and it seems to be fine, but I'm always a little nervous
> about Macs because I can't check there. One day I'll actually save up enough
> money to buy a Mac as a testing machine. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Seona.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
>> Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 12:03 PM
>> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>> Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Seona
>> 
>> Mac Ie5 is having a real problem with the #mainNav ul {position: absolute}
>> change this to float left and it should fix everything up.
>> 
>> This shouldn't affect any other browsers.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Jeff Lowder
>> Accessibility 1st
>> Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: 
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:48:22 +1100
>>> To: WSG List 
>>> Subject: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> Can I have some people look over this site for me please? Especially Mac
>>> users, since I don't have a Mac to check it on but my client
>> does (so I know
>>> she's going to comment on how it looks on a Mac).
>>> 
>>> http://www.onehouseproductions.com
>>> 
>>> Since I didn't have total control over the creation of this site (I've
>>> basically been reduced to 'code monkey' on this one) I've had to make a
>>> number of compromises that I'm not entirely happy with, but
>> I've done the
>>> best I can to keep things nice. I'd value any suggestions
>> anyone has about
>>> what I could do better, although in some cases I won't be able
>> to take them
>>> up if they will deviate too much from the original design. *sigh*
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Seona.
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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0, Tables and Firefox

[Bert Doorn]

G'day
http://elmbrook.org/navigation2.html
The border is in there only to show what's going on. In
IE it looks fine. I assume it's user error. Any hints? Thanks.
Jeff
Set the row's line-height to 17px and the problem should be solved.
But why use a table and images in the first place when it's just 
"text buttons".  I'd use a simple ul.  Even a paragraph, 
separating links with pipe ( | ) characters is cleaner.

Regards
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RE: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the tip. I've made the change. Can you have a look at it and see
if it has introduced any other unexpected results? I've checked it on
IE6/Win and Mozilla and it seems to be fine, but I'm always a little nervous
about Macs because I can't check there. One day I'll actually save up enough
money to buy a Mac as a testing machine. :)

Cheers,

Seona.

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> Behalf Of Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
> Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 12:03 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
> 
> 
> Hi Seona
> 
> Mac Ie5 is having a real problem with the #mainNav ul {position: absolute}
> change this to float left and it should fix everything up.
> 
> This shouldn't affect any other browsers.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jeff Lowder
> Accessibility 1st
> Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au
> 
> 
> > From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:48:22 +1100
> > To: WSG List 
> > Subject: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
> > 
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Can I have some people look over this site for me please? Especially Mac
> > users, since I don't have a Mac to check it on but my client 
> does (so I know
> > she's going to comment on how it looks on a Mac).
> > 
> > http://www.onehouseproductions.com
> > 
> > Since I didn't have total control over the creation of this site (I've
> > basically been reduced to 'code monkey' on this one) I've had to make a
> > number of compromises that I'm not entirely happy with, but 
> I've done the
> > best I can to keep things nice. I'd value any suggestions 
> anyone has about
> > what I could do better, although in some cases I won't be able 
> to take them
> > up if they will deviate too much from the original design. *sigh*
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Seona.
> > 
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Re: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Hi Seona

Mac Ie5 is having a real problem with the #mainNav ul {position: absolute}
change this to float left and it should fix everything up.

This shouldn't affect any other browsers.

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au


> From: Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:48:22 +1100
> To: WSG List 
> Subject: [WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Can I have some people look over this site for me please? Especially Mac
> users, since I don't have a Mac to check it on but my client does (so I know
> she's going to comment on how it looks on a Mac).
> 
> http://www.onehouseproductions.com
> 
> Since I didn't have total control over the creation of this site (I've
> basically been reduced to 'code monkey' on this one) I've had to make a
> number of compromises that I'm not entirely happy with, but I've done the
> best I can to keep things nice. I'd value any suggestions anyone has about
> what I could do better, although in some cases I won't be able to take them
> up if they will deviate too much from the original design. *sigh*
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Seona.
> 
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[WSG] Site check (esp. Mac): One House

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi guys,

Can I have some people look over this site for me please? Especially Mac
users, since I don't have a Mac to check it on but my client does (so I know
she's going to comment on how it looks on a Mac).

http://www.onehouseproductions.com

Since I didn't have total control over the creation of this site (I've
basically been reduced to 'code monkey' on this one) I've had to make a
number of compromises that I'm not entirely happy with, but I've done the
best I can to keep things nice. I'd value any suggestions anyone has about
what I could do better, although in some cases I won't be able to take them
up if they will deviate too much from the original design. *sigh*

Cheers,

Seona.

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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Lindsay Evans]

Hi Marco,

Faux Columns  are
probably your best bet.


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two
> grey columns to be the same height?
> It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the
> shorter column to have extra empty space
> to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one.

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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Sorry for not putting a reference there:
http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/presentationaljavascript.php

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au

> From: Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:21:46 +1100
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
> 
> The only other way that I can think of is with JavaScript 'offSetHeight'
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jeff Lowder
> Accessibility 1st
> Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au
> 
>> From: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: 
>> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:02:04 +0100
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
>> 
>> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/
>>> equal_height_boxes_with_css_par
>>> t_ii/
> 
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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

The only other way that I can think of is with JavaScript 'offSetHeight'

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au

> From: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:02:04 +0100
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
> 
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/
>> equal_height_boxes_with_css_par
>> t_ii/


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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Marco van Hylckama Vlieg]

So I take it it's _impossible_ to also have this work correctly in MSIE  
as well?
If so I'm not gonna take the hassle because two third of my visitors  
are MSIE anyway :(

Marco
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On Feb 28, 2005, at 12:45 AM, Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote:
Check Roger's article out:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ 
equal_height_boxes_with_css_par
t_ii/

Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au

From: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: 
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100
To: 
Subject: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
Hi folks,
This is something I've been wondering about for a long time.
If you look at my blog:
http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/
Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two
grey columns to be the same height?
It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the
shorter column to have extra empty space
to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one.
Any ideas are welcome!
Cheers,
Marco
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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Stevio]

From: "Marco van Hylckama Vlieg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two 
grey columns to be the same height?
Use tables ;-)
Stephen
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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Check Roger's article out:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/equal_height_boxes_with_css_par
t_ii/

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au


> From: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100
> To: 
> Subject: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> This is something I've been wondering about for a long time.
> If you look at my blog:
> 
> http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/
> 
> Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two
> grey columns to be the same height?
> It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the
> shorter column to have extra empty space
> to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one.
> 
> Any ideas are welcome!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marco
> 
> --
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> 
> Senior Internet Developer
> 
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> www: http://www.i-marco.nl/
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[WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

[Marco van Hylckama Vlieg]

Hi folks,
This is something I've been wondering about for a long time.
If you look at my blog:
http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/
Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two 
grey columns to be the same height?
It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the 
shorter column to have extra empty space
to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one.

Any ideas are welcome!
Cheers,
Marco
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email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.i-marco.nl/
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[WSG] Site critique and problem - www.mondotron.com

[Mondo | Mondotron]

Hi all

Long term reader / first time poster - just about to launch a new site:

http://www.mondotron.com

and we'd appreciate any critique.

The site enables users to generate free wallpaper/background images for
phones/PDAs/messaging applications through the use of a Flash interface.

Also, there's a small problem with Firefox 1.0 - a colleague gets a problem
with a file upload button on the http://www.mondotron.com/design.php page,
replicated at:

http://www.mondotron.com/file-upload-button.gif

The actual button appears as a small block - haven't been able to replicate
it on other machines with same Firefox version.

Thanks!

Nettio

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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0, Tables and Firefox

[Gez Lemon]

I wrote:

> I mention a similar effect when transitional
> HTML documents are served as application/xhtml+xml, whcih forces

Apologies, that should read XHTML documents, as only the most unstable
person would deliver an HTML document as application/xhtml+xml

Best regards,

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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0, Tables and Firefox

[Gez Lemon]

> Here in Firefox on Windows I see space below the top row
> of images:
> http://elmbrook.org/navigation2.html
> The border is in there only to show what's going on. In
> IE it looks fine. I assume it's user error. Any hints? Thanks.
> Jeff

It's because Firefox is rendering the document in standards mode. If
you change the DOCTYPE to transitional, it would be rendered in amost
standards mode, which would remove the extra space, and is suitable
for table-based layouts. I mention a similar effect when transitional
HTML documents are served as application/xhtml+xml, whcih forces
Firefox to render the document in standards mode:
http://juicystudio.com/mimetest/standardsmode.asp

Using CSS, you could specify a negative value for margin-bottom to
solve the problem.

Best regards,

Gez
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[WSG] XHTML 1.0, Tables and Firefox

[Jeff Oien]

Here in Firefox on Windows I see space below the top row
of images:
http://elmbrook.org/navigation2.html
The border is in there only to show what's going on. In
IE it looks fine. I assume it's user error. Any hints? Thanks.
Jeff
BTW this has to be somewhat self contained as far as CSS code for
now because it's used as an include in all kinds of pages.
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Re: [WSG] Web Standads Skyscraper - Anyone knows how to?

[David R]

Genau Lopes Jr. wrote:
Hi,
I am developing some different advertising and would like to know, how 
can i create a slide layer that appears on righr side of browser, only 
when the screen resolution is more than 1024x768 pixels.

My layer should be 150 px  x 600 and will be layered at right side of 
the page.

Can anyone help me how can i, make this using WebStandards and some 
Javascript?



#adpane {
   display: none;
   width: 150px;
   height: 600px;
   float: right;
}
#maincontent {
   margin-right: 0;
 }


document.onload = Function {
   if window.width > 1024 && window.height > 1024 {
 document.GetElementByID("adpane").style.display = "block";
 document.GetElementByID("maincontent").style.margin-right = "175px";
   }
}






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Should do it...
Although I was a bit sketchy on the ECMA DOM, you might want to get it 
checked with someone who knows it better than me (ie: anyone ;) )
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