Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 09 May 2011 17:55:06 -0400 schrieb David Rosenstrauch : > Not true. You could fix this (rare) situation by booting into single > user mode rather than a LiveCD. This was already explained by Tom and discussed before. ;-) > Not sure I see why the rc scripts should be removed to handle t

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 10 May 2011 01:32:19 +0300 schrieb Grigorios Bouzakis : > If they are unsupported then yes, users who want to use them should be > writing them themselves. Who says that they are unsupported? They are just not recommended as far as I know. And why shouldn't they be installed by the packag

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
On 5/9/11, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger > wrote: >> sooo, how can you have two directories open then? i see that it works >> by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be >> made to launch nautilus in the same way (however that is

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
Rémy Oudompheng wrote: > On 2011/5/8 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: >> Hello, >> can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and >> slim? They are not recommended by anyone & they are to be blame for >> occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start >> them

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > On 05/08/2011 02:15 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > >> With the rc scripts it's only possible to having started xorg at boot >> time if the script is in the DAEMONS array. So if xorg fails for a >> reason and doesn't allow you to switch to conso

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 05/08/2011 02:15 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: With the rc scripts it's only possible to having started xorg at boot time if the script is in the DAEMONS array. So if xorg fails for a reason and doesn't allow you to switch to console you need a LiveCD to first remove it from the DAEMONS to be able to

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 05/08/2011 01:19 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone& they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start them from inittab. They dont co

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Jan Steffens
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > sooo, how can you have two directories open then?  i see that it works > by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be > made to launch nautilus in the same way (however that is)? Ctrl+Click on the launcher will ope

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ionut Biru wrote: > On 05/09/2011 11:11 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote: >> >> You can install gnome-tweak-tool. When you launch it, the last option is >> "File Manager". Then you can select "Have file manager handle the >> desktop". >> Logout, login, and your icons and f

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Ionut Biru
On 05/09/2011 11:11 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote: -Mensaje original- De: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- boun...@archlinux.org] En nombre de Steve Holmes Enviado el: lunes, 09 de mayo de 2011 21:46 Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux Asunto: Re: [arch-genera

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Guillermo Leira
> -Mensaje original- > De: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- > boun...@archlinux.org] En nombre de Steve Holmes > Enviado el: lunes, 09 de mayo de 2011 21:46 > Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Asunto: Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3 > >

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Monday, May 09, 2011 14:46:11 Steve Holmes wrote: > Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered > and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a > desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the > places and then opened the des

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the places and then opened the desktop folder from there. Actually, I think my desktop was act

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 9 May 2011 20:41:31 +0200 schrieb Rémy Oudompheng : > I never used inittab to launch a display manager and always used > rc-scripts, and I will never switch unless I go for systemd. I don't > understand the point of removing these scripts, unless you want users > to write them themselves.

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2011/5/8 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > Hello, > can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and > slim? They are not recommended by anyone & they are to be blame for > occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start > them from inittab. > They dont com

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Gunnar Meyer
Am 09.05.2011 19:57, schrieb Yaro Kasear: On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:53:55 Mauro Santos wrote: On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2 A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statis

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:53:55 Mauro Santos wrote: > On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: > >> [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i > >> hope they will fix that in 3.2 > > > > A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] > > changing .

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Mauro Santos
On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: >> >> >> [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope >> they will fix that in 3.2 >> >> > A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing > . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gno

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Filip Filipov
> > > [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope > they will fix that in 3.2 > > A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gnome3 has. [1] https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunSta

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3, a bug?

2011-05-09 Thread Gunnar Meyer
Am 06.05.2011 15:22, schrieb Steve Holmes: Hey, I also just installed / upgraded to gnome3 and have run into some strange problems with keyboard navigation. First off, I cannot get into the desktop; also I can't find a reliable way to get into the system menu. Keep in mind here, I'm totally bli

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Ionut Biru
On 05/09/2011 07:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: After upgrading my box to GNOME 3 last week, I can't seem to find the desktop anywhere on my gnome setup. I use the keyboard exclusively for navigating around so I would normally use Ctrl+Alt+d to open the desktop for keyboard focus. Alas I cannot do

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Kwpolska
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:03:21AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > Has the desktop, as we know it, gone away? At the moment, I am > using fallback mode because gnome-shell is completely broken as far > as screen reader accessibility is concerned. GNOME 3 has no desktop at all. You can start nautilus

Re: [arch-general] makepkg openjd & ca-certificates-java

2011-05-09 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:16:13 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've tried building openjdk, but it has a make dependency upon >> ca-certificates-java, and ca-certificates-jave also has a make >> dependency upon openjdk: >> >> http://pr

[arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
After upgrading my box to GNOME 3 last week, I can't seem to find the desktop anywhere on my gnome setup. I use the keyboard exclusively for navigating around so I would normally use Ctrl+Alt+d to open the desktop for keyboard focus. Alas I cannot do that any more. Also, with prior versions of G

Re: [arch-general] makepkg openjd & ca-certificates-java

2011-05-09 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:16:13 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > Hi, > > I've tried building openjdk, but it has a make dependency upon > ca-certificates-java, and ca-certificates-jave also has a make > dependency upon openjdk: > > http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/plain/openjdk6/repo